Madam Speaker, this member knows I have a great deal of respect for him. He is the chair of the public accounts committee. We have done great work together to get to the exact bottom of SDTC. It is a shame that he will not answer directly how much the chair, Ms. Verschuren, kicked back to the Conservative Party.
He talks about pensions, and the Conservatives talk about pensions. At the time that they would both turn 65, Pierre Poilievre would qualify for a $230,000 pension—