House of Commons Hansard #383 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was women.

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Resumption of Debate on the Motion for ConcurrenceCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:35 p.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I congratulate my colleague on her fine speech. It was very powerful.

The hon. member always rises to bring nuance and a fighting spirit for women, for feminist issues. One member spoke of procedure. I share his disappointment, but my disappointment is in the two months that have been lost in the House to procedural shenanigans from the Conservatives, who have shut down really valuable opportunities for us to debate issues such as this. As such, out of procedural fairness, when we had the opportunity to present this, I was surprised that the Bloc voted against it. Had we not been allowed to continue this debate, one of its strongest and most powerful feminist voices would not have had the opportunity to rise and present on this speech.

We are in this debate; while they voted against it, we are still here speaking. What is before us is the threat that we saw down in the States, with project 2025, as well as all this religious fanatic extremism around women's reproductive autonomy. Given that, can the hon. member rise again and just share why this debate is important, even if the Bloc does not necessarily agree that it is important to have right now?

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12:35 p.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Mr. Speaker, the 12 days of action to end violence against women campaign is in full swing. People have had an opportunity to speak out. As for the debate, we would have had other opportunities to discuss our views on this important issue.

My colleague just said that the work of the House has been shut down for months, but we finally have an agreement and we managed to end the impasse and restore opposition days. In fact, the NDP has one coming up. However, now that we have broken the gridlock, what do they do? They block the work of the House again, because of course they do. We have been saying for weeks and months that we needed to end the gridlock in the House. We managed to get an agreement restoring the Conservative and NDP opposition days. I know they will bring this up again during their opposition days. At least, that is what we have heard. They could still revisit the issue. I am not in their party, I do not know what they will say, but they have an opposition day coming up. What we just did this morning, though, was to relaunch a procedural war, just when we had broken the gridlock. That is what is bothering me right now.

Regarding the subject of the report, the Bloc Québécois will always be an ally of feminists. We had the opportunity to talk about defending women's rights, we are talking about it now, and we will continue to talk about it.

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12:40 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Mr. Speaker, I will start by saying that this is an important, productive debate. When we see the backsliding not only south of the border but also here in Canada, it is critical that we rise in the House to discuss the issue of a woman's fundamental right to choose. This is foundational to gender equity, to public health and to human dignity.

Access to abortion care is health care, both here in Canada and around the world. This is a conversation about rights. It is not abstract principles. It is the lived experience of women and gender-diverse people, as well as the tangible rights of these people in our country. Canada has been a leader in affirming abortion as a fundamental right. In 1988, the Supreme Court's decision struck down restrictive abortion laws as unconstitutional.

The Conservatives like to talk about freedom. They wave freedom flags, but when it comes to the freedom of a woman to make choices about her own body, about our own bodies, for some reason, those freedoms are up for grabs. The majority of Conservative MPs are anti-choice. One-third of them are openly campaigning on anti-choice legislation and are endorsed by anti-choice organizations. However, if we look at their voting records, we see that the vast majority of them are anti-choice. According to the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, 100% of Conservative MPs are anti-choice, given their recent vote on backdoor legislation.

Bill C-311 is very similar to the bills down south that Republican elected officials used to undermine Roe v. Wade. We are seeing the same tactics in Canada. Of course, the Conservative leader is saying that Conservatives promise they will not support legislation that bans abortion. This is despite the fact that the Conservative leader voted five times in favour of legislation that would restrict access to choice or voted in favour of anti-choice bills, such as Bill C-311. However, we know that his intention is to cut health care, services and funding internationally for reproductive rights, as the Harper government did when the Conservative leader was a minister in that government.

Anti-choice rhetoric is finding a firmer foothold here in Canada. It is amplified in the House by the Conservative members. It is paraded around by such members as the member for Peace River—Westlock, who went outside the House of Commons to anti-choice rallies and made commitments to his supporters, to the supporters of the Conservative Party, to fight to end a woman's right to choose and to restrict access to choice, to health care for women and for gender-diverse people across this country. He is not the only Conservative MP to do so.

The MP for Cypress Hills—Grasslands took a paid trip down to a church in the United States. A pro-life, anti-choice church brought him down to speak about his stance on trying to end a woman's right to choose. To have Conservative MPs going to the United States to learn new tactics, to collaborate, to organize with anti-choice activists there and to bring that back to Canada is terrifying. It is terrifying to me, and I think it is terrifying to women across this country.

I also want to bring up the MP for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan. Not only has the member been vocal about being against a woman's right to choose, but he also spent 18 hours filibustering this report because he did not want to talk about the fundamental right of women in Canada and around the world to access abortion care.

It tracks that the Conservatives want to cut funding for reproductive rights. Abortion care is health care. Whether it is for a broken leg, heart surgery or abortion care, Canadians need access to health care, to quality health care across this country. Conservatives have a track record of cutting that.

Unfortunately the Liberals have a track record of failing to uphold the Canada Health Act. I have spoken about this in the House before. About two decades ago I was sitting with a friend in New Brunswick, in grade 11, talking about the multi-hour drive to Montreal she would have to take if she wanted to access abortion. I am getting choked up because it is a horrific reality that so many women in Canada face when they do not have access to the care they need.

I could not have imagined that two decades later, Clinic 554 in Fredericton, New Brunswick, would close and that the Liberal government would not use the provisions in the Canada Health Act that it knows it could use to ensure access for all women in British Columbia and for all people across this country. Our health care system guarantees Canadians the right to access medically necessary services. Abortion is that kind of service, yet those kinds of clinic closures demonstrate the fragility of access to care.

I think about women and gender diverse people in Alberta, whose provincial Conservatives have outsourced health care to private institutions and religious institutions that will not provide contraception and abortion care to the women who need them. Those are systemic barriers that hinder equitable access. The lack of leadership from the federal government to enforce the Canada Health Act makes these barriers worse.

I also want to talk about our responsibility globally. We need to demonstrate leadership when it comes to prioritizing sexual health and reproductive health on the global stage, including through our international assistance policy. We know about the cuts that happened during the Harper era. The Harper government cut all funding to reproductive health, reproductive services and sexual health services around the globe. Canada has a responsibility to step up to support nations around the world in accessing health care and reproductive care.

I find it difficult when Conservative members talk about the rights of the unborn or try to sneak legislation in that has increased penalties for the murder of pregnant women or the harm of an unborn child. Evidence shows that limiting access to abortions or restricting women's choice does not stop abortions; it just means that unsafe abortions happen.

When we restrict comprehensive reproductive health services, everyone suffers. When we ensure that access exists, societies prosper. Investing in the services reduces maternal mortality, improves economic opportunities for women and promotes equality.

It is our duty as parliamentarians to protect and promote these rights. We cannot allow a vocal minority in Canada that has influence over the official opposition to undermine these rights. We cannot allow it to undermine decades of work that feminist organizations and people across Canada have fought to protect. We must act decisively. We need to ensure compliance, enforce the Canada Health Act, ensure that we are eliminating any kind of user fee and provide equitable abortion access in every province.

We need to invest strategically and expand funding for clinics and services in rural and underserved areas. We need to ensure that midwives, nurse practitioners, nurses and family doctors are available for people when they need assistance with their reproductive health.

We need to combat misinformation, challenge the anti-choice narratives and ensure that facts are brought into the House and that we have rights-driven education campaigns. We must not allow backdoor legislation to undermine these rights, and we must not allow the vocal minority that wants to undermine our right to choose to have influence over the decisions of the House.

Access to abortion is a domestic issue, but the report focuses on the global issue of human rights with respect to public health. Around the world, millions of women face unsafe abortions because of restrictive laws, lack of resources and systemic inequalities. Each year, 35 million unsafe abortions occur globally. That is a horrific statistic. Unsafe abortions lead to preventable deaths and life-altering injuries. Canada must be a global leader in supporting sexual and reproductive health.

It is terrifying to think of what Conservatives would do to abortion rights here in Canada if they were in power. It is horrific to think about the consequences of the cuts they would make to international assistance around the world and what that would mean for women who are trying to access reproductive care.

The world is at a crossroads. Some countries are advancing abortion rights, but others, and I think we see this in the Conservative caucus, are emboldened by movements in the United States to overturn Roe v. Wade. There is a backslide happening. Our leadership at this moment matters. By standing firm, Canada can continue to support the global efforts to ensure that every woman and every person, including all gender diverse people everywhere, has the right to make decisions about their own body.

We have talked before about Conservative creep for this kind of legislation, the changes in tone and rhetoric and also the changes to the laws that would have a fundamental impact on people's right to choose. I want to speak directly to young women and young gender diverse people who might be looking at the prospect of the Conservatives' getting into power and undermining their rights. Their voice right now matters. Their organizing matters. Standing up for their right to choose matters. It matters to have these discussions in the House.

I am disappointed that the Bloc decided to try to kill the debate. I am not surprised that the Conservatives would do that. I know there are staunch supporters in the Bloc of a woman's right to choose, but I am still disappointed that at this moment, when we are at a crossroads on reproductive and sexual health, the Bloc would do that, especially given that every other time a motion like the one before us has come up to return to orders of the day, 36 times its members voted against it. I thought it was a matter of principle, but then the one time that they vote to kill debate is on a woman's right to choose.

New Democrats will always stand in unwavering support of abortion rights. We will not let regressive policies and regressive members of Parliament take us backward. We will fight back against the misinformation and the rhetoric that try to undermine our fundamental rights.

We will stand up for investments in health care. Every Canadian deserves quality health care and deserves to access the health care they need when they need it. Abortion care is health care.

Together let us affirm the right to choose, not as a procedural tactic and not as something to bring up in order to score political points, but as a cornerstone of gender equality. It is a non-negotiable. The time to act is now. I do not want Conservatives or Bloc members to avoid a vote on it.

Therefore I move:

That the question be now put.

Resumption of Debate on the Motion for ConcurrenceCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

The motion is in order.

Question and comments, the hon. member for Drummond.

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12:55 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Mr. Speaker, I congratulate my colleague from Victoria for her speech and the passion she has for this issue.

Before asking her a question, I would just like to get back to her tone when she accused the Bloc Québécois of siding with the Conservatives on the question of voting to get back to the orders of the day. She said we had voted 36 times. The only two times we voted to get back to the orders of the day had to do with following procedure. Both times, it was because the NDP had pulled the rug out from under the Conservative Party during its opposition day. There is a matter of principle at play here.

The report came out in June 2023. If my colleague was so keen on debating it, I do not see why the NDP waited so long before putting it back on the agenda. What is more, our NDP colleagues also have an opposition day this week. We voted to get back to the orders of the day because we are not engaging in these sorts of tactics, even though, when it comes to the subject at hand, I admit that we find this debate far more worthwhile than the one proposed by the Conservatives during their opposition day. I think the subject is important enough for us not to get embroiled in petty politics, as seems to be the case here. This is very unlike my colleague from Victoria. I just wanted to point that out.

Now, as for the subject at hand, there is something that concerns me. Canada is contributing financially to support developing countries.

Does my colleague think that Canada should ensure, because this is not entirely the case, that the developing countries it supports have values and should provide their citizens access to sexual and reproductive rights and to care, such as abortion? Should Canada include that as a prerequisite to receiving financial support?

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1 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the Bloc for focusing some of the debate on how religious extremism has sometimes undermined and continues to undermine a woman's right to choose. I do think we need, as Canadians, to provide assistance for reproductive health and sexual health around the globe. We need to continue to put out education campaigns to ensure that we are fighting back against the anti-choice rhetoric.

I do have to say that I am still disappointed that the Bloc would not vote, on principle, to continue the discussion on a woman's right to choose but instead would vote with the Conservatives today to kill the debate.

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1 p.m.

NDP

Leila Dance NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Mr. Speaker, people in my riding of Elmwood—Transcona have talked to me about the challenges of accessing health care. Whether it is for a broken leg, heart surgery or abortion care, the government has a responsibility to ensure that Canadians have access to health care, and abortion care is health care. Manitobans know that Conservative cuts would undermine the ability to access the quality health care that everyone needs.

Can the member speak to the long-term impacts the government's inaction will have on the rights of women in this country?

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1 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for her staunch advocacy for a woman's right to choose and for health care access in Canada. It is important to acknowledge that Canadians are struggling to access the health care they need, whether they are looking to get cancer treatments or they have a broken bone. There are not always family physicians and there are not always specialists. People are sometimes waiting hours and hours in emergency rooms to get the care they need. Whether it is a broken leg, a head injury or abortion care, everyone deserves the right to quality health care in Canada, and the government needs to step up.

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1 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, today we are having this very important debate on an issue that I would argue has unfortunately come to the forefront not in just Canadian politics but in many countries I would have otherwise thought of as progressive countries throughout the world. There are Conservatives who are continually starting to push this agenda of rolling back a woman's right to choose. However, I actually do not think that, if they ever formed government, they would be so bold as to bring in a piece of legislation that banned abortion. What I think they would do is take other measures, such as defunding certain organizations, slowly removing some of those rights or working around and chipping away at those rights, as opposed to one bold action, which others might assume they would do.

I am wondering if the member can give her comments on how she sees a potential Conservative government treating an issue like this.

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1 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Mr. Speaker, we know Conservatives will work to undermine a woman's right to choose. They did it during the decade under Harper and will do it again, if given the chance.

I want to raise something the member for Kingston and the Islands said earlier in this debate, which is that he did not know what Clinic 554 in New Brunswick was. It is really concerning that the deputy House leader of the government does not know about the clinic that closed in Fredericton. The government is not acting rapidly to ensure that women and gender-diverse people in New Brunswick have access to the health care they need. Abortion care is health care.

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1:05 p.m.

Green

Mike Morrice Green Kitchener Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I want to start by thanking the member for Edmonton Strathcona, and the member for Victoria as well, for bringing forward this really important conversation in the House on reproductive rights. She is right that abortion care is health care.

I just wonder if there is more she would like to say about any of the 14 recommendations that she might not have had time for in her speech but wants to share with the rest of the House.

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1:05 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the member for standing up for a woman's right to choose. Our leadership in this moment matters. It matters for women here in Canada, and it matters for women and gender-diverse people all around the globe. I hope that the government responds to this report.

However, I do want to take a moment to talk about the conservative creep that is happening and the fact that the Leader of the Opposition has such control over his members of Parliament. We have heard in media reports that his members are not allowed to fraternize and they are told what to say. There is an extreme amount of control over members of Parliament, yet somehow, even despite that control, his members are going and speaking at anti-choice rallies. His members are going to the United States to go to churches for anti-choice activists and to bring that kind of organizing back here to Canada.

The Leader of the Opposition has extreme control over his members of Parliament, yet he allows them to bring forward legislation that would bring in backdoor legislation to restrict a woman's right to choose, anti-choice legislation. That is unacceptable. We will fight tooth and nail to stop it.

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1:05 p.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, speaking about Conservative creep is very timely, because we are in a scenario right now in the House where there are many people within the Conservative caucus who spend a lot of time internationally trying to undermine women's rights not just here in Canada but in fact around the world. They have a hidden agenda. When they were talking about procedural shenanigans in the House, what they failed to mention was that for the last two months we have not had the ability in the House to deliver for Canadians and to debate actual legislation. Instead, we have been listening to Conservative shenanigans.

Can the hon. member please expand on how, over the last two months, we had an opportunity and we lost the opportunity? What things would she like to speak about now?

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1:05 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my hon. colleague for his staunch support for a woman's right to choose.

It is extraordinarily disappointing to me that we have members in the House who would try to undermine a woman's right to choose, and we know they are in the Conservative caucus. Over one-third of the Conservative caucus is endorsed by anti-choice groups as pro-life, a.k.a. they want to undermine a woman's right to choose, and 73% are rated as anti-choice MPs by the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada.

Actually, it was 73%, but now 100% of them are rated anti-choice because of their vote on Bill C-311, which is the same kind of legislation that Republican elected officials brought in the United States to start undermining a woman's right to choose and overturn Roe versus Wade. This is what they are trying to do here in Canada, and we will fight to stop them.

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1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

Is the House ready for the question?

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1:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Question.

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1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

The question is on the motion. If a member participating in person wishes the motion to be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I invite them to rise and indicate it to the chair.

The hon. member for Victoria.

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1:05 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Mr. Speaker, I would request a recorded vote on a woman's right to choose.

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1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the division stands deferred until later this day at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Foreign InterferencePetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to bring forward a petition about the recent RCMP reports that the Government of India has interfered in Canada's elections and have murdered, threatened and extorted Canadians on Canadian soil.

Later today, we will have Patrick Brown, the former candidate for leader of the Conservative Party, testifying before the public safety committee regarding serious allegations reported about foreign interference in the electoral process of choosing a Conservative leader. This petition is very timely given that there are serious allegations that the Leader of the Opposition could not win leadership unless someone's finger was on the scale.

I also note that in this petition the undersigned residents of Canada are calling on the leader of the Conservative Party to get his security clearance and take action to help stop foreign governments from interfering in Canada and targeting Canadians.

Foreign InterferencePetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I know I do not have the best—

Foreign InterferencePetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Foreign InterferencePetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

Order. Let me wait for things to quiet down.

The hon. deputy House leader.

Foreign InterferencePetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I just wish that you could ask members in the House to be a little quieter. I am sitting four seats away and I could not hear the member.

Foreign InterferencePetitionsRoutine Proceedings

December 5th, 2024 / 1:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

It is a reasonable request to keep the noise down. I heard it as well.

Presenting petitions, the hon. member for Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon.