House of Commons Hansard #384 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was point.

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12:25 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Madam Speaker, I think the question at issue here is that, in Parliament, question period is a very partisan moment. It is the moment when the daily shots at government take place, so there is leeway. However, it is about the fair application of rules by the Chair on the abuse of question period.

When the Speaker has ruled that we have not asked something on government business, the question is shut down. We are not given three and four opportunities to repeat the same question to get it on the record; it is shut down. Therefore, if the Speaker rules that a question is not on government business, it is unfair to the rest of us who have just been told, “No, your question is not on government business, so sit down; that is the end of it”, to allow Conservatives to repeat and repeat.

I am very concerned, Madam Speaker, and you have heard my frustration, that there is a very unfair application in the House because of the intimidation tactics of the Conservatives. When we get up on points of order, we are regularly shut down quickly. Conservatives can speak on as long as they want, and it allows for a gaslighting in the House. What we are asking for is a fair application. If you rule as Chair that something is not government business, that is your decision, fair play, but to allow the Conservatives to keep going and going because of the intimidation they do with shouting and trying to undermine Parliament, it makes it very difficult for the rest of us to be willing to go along with the politeness of the House.

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12:30 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

To the hon. member for South Shore—St. Margaret's, this is the last point of order I will hear on this.

First of all, the issue is that a lot of what is said is just being repeated. Second of all, the Speaker of the House himself indicated that he would be coming back to the House about this, so there is something coming forthwith.

I think it makes it very difficult for the Speakers to be consistent, given how the questions are being brought forward. We take members for what they are planning to bring forward. As I have indicated, it is very difficult to really hear what is being said when so many people are weighing in; this affected the hon. member for Miramichi—Grand Lake today.

Therefore, it is incumbent upon everyone to be respectful of what is said and of the decisions of the Chairs. We are doing our best to try to manage the House, and it is very difficult to do that when the last piece in the question is related to the government administration, but nothing else is. That is what is raising issues in the House when we cannot hear what is being said.

The hon. member for South Shore—St. Margarets.

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Speaker, I would add, as my colleague stated, that the lead-up to the question is an important part of the set-up for the question in question period. The NDP members suggest that the Speaker should start censoring and stopping a question before the member gets to ask it, based on the fact that they do not like or are offended by the opening sentence. Frankly, that is a breach of a member's privilege with respect to their ability to speak on behalf of their constituents in the House.

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12:30 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I have another point of order from the hon. member for Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry. I was just checking to see if the member has a title, because I usually try to make sure I recognize members by their other or ministerial titles.

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

Madam Speaker, it is a great title to be the member of Parliament for Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, one I have held proudly.

As a person who asked two questions today in the disruption that you were trying to deal with, I just want to add exactly what some other colleagues have said, for consideration going forward. It gets disruptive when somebody does what the NDP did today with the two questions I had. Ten seconds in, it was extremely difficult to get through the questions.

I agree with your point, but I would also encourage members—

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12:30 p.m.

An hon. member

Oh, oh!

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

Madam Speaker, they are doing it now. We can see the irony of that. If they could let somebody finish their sentence, we could go on.

I will make the point again that where they are doing—

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12:30 p.m.

An hon. member

Oh, oh!

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

The king of gaslighting just called people gaslighters a second—

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12:30 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

This happens with almost every party in here, so I would ask members to please be respectful of each other.

The hon. member should wrap up.

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

Madam Speaker, I would encourage the Speaker to start ruling members out of order when somebody gets 10 seconds into a question and members do not like the preamble. The part that matters in question period is the actual question that comes at the end. Whenever they start yelling and going off at 10 seconds in, that is not fair to the members asking questions.

Lastly, I will point to the irony of any of the Liberal-NDP members, particularly the Liberals, questioning the integrity of a question when they themselves are terrible at giving the answers. The fact that they got—

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12:30 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

That is debate. There were questions that the official opposition was asking that had no relevance to the administration of the government, so I would ask members to please be careful. I would ask them to go back and make sure that their question is relevant; a few were not.

The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby is rising again on a point of order.

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12:35 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Madam Speaker, it was the former Speaker, the member for Regina—Qu'Appelle, who put these rules into effect. If he wants to stand up and renounce what happened during the Harper regime and the fact that questions were systematically cut off after 10 seconds because they were not relevant to government administration, then he can certainly do so. However, that is jurisprudence and Conservatives do not seem to like to live by the rules. They should learn the rules first, because they are—

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12:35 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I appreciate that, but it is becoming a point of debate again.

The hon. deputy government House leader.

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12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Madam Speaker, I want to respond to the comments by the member for South Shore—St. Margarets. My understanding, from what I heard from the member for New Westminster—Burnaby, was not that he was saying the Chair should particularly cut off questions early. He was saying that the Chair, as in the position of the Chair, has already set a precedent. The precedent was set by the member for Regina—Qu'Appelle, and this was to do exactly what he was asking.

If the Chair is going to make a new ruling and start setting a new precedent, that has to be clear so that all members can follow it. Otherwise, we need to follow the precedent that has been set.

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12:35 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I thank everyone for their points of order. We will certainly take them under advisement; we are currently looking into what has been happening lately and the feedback that has been provided.

Government Response to PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:35 p.m.

Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne Québec

Liberal

Sherry Romanado LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the President of the King’s Privy Council for Canada and Minister of Emergency Preparedness

Madam Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8)(a), I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the government's responses to 23 petitions. These returns will be tabled in an electronic format.

École polytechnique de MontréalRoutine Proceedings

12:35 p.m.

Toronto Centre Ontario

Liberal

Marci Ien LiberalMinister for Women and Gender Equality and Youth

Madam Speaker, 35 years ago, Canada was shaken to its core when a horrific act of gender-based violence devastated our country. On December 6, 1989, a gunman walked into a classroom at École polytechnique de Montréal, separated the women from the men, and brutally opened fire on the women. He took the lives of 14 young women and wounded 13 more simply because they were women.

On the National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women, we mourn the heartbreaking loss of these young women, whose promising futures were stolen from them. Today, we remember Geneviève Bergeron, Hélène Colgan, Nathalie Croteau, Barbara Daigneault, Anne-Marie Edward, Maud Haviernick, Maryse Laganière, Maryse Leclair, Anne-Marie Lemay, Sonia Pelletier, Michèle Richard, Annie St-Arneault, Annie Turcotte and Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz. These were 14 brilliant lives cut tragically short.

They were students, daughters, sisters, wives and friends. They were athletes, musicians, artists, future engineers, nurses and so much more. Each had unique talents and passions they never got to share, and we all missed out on what they could have contributed to their communities.

Although they are no longer with us, their memory and influence remain.

Thirty-five years later, these young women are still changing the course of history as we take action against gender-based violence. On this day, and throughout the 16 days of activism against gender-based violence, we acknowledge that the misogyny, sexism and hatred that motivated the tragedy at Polytechnique remains very much a real threat for women in Canada and around the world.

From 2011 to 2021, 1,125 women and girls were victims of gender-related homicide. Of these homicides, 93% were committed by a male intimate partner or family member. While indigenous women account for approximately 5% of all women and girls in Canada, they accounted for 23% of victims of homicide in 2021. In 2023, 187 women and girls were killed violently in Canada. That is one woman every two days.

Gender-based violence leaves lasting scars that affect all aspects of survivors' being, including their health, finances and future. When it starts early, it can echo through generations, trapping women in cycles of violence. We must engage young boys so that they know what healthy relationships look like, so we can create a world where lasting gender equality exists. We must break these cycles and create a world where every woman can live free from fear and full of opportunity.

We need to create a world where there is no place for gender-based violence.

We must also recognize the relationship between femicide and gun violence. According to the Canadian Women's Foundation, the single greatest risk factor of intimate partner violence becoming lethal is the presence of a gun in the home. Our government has always taken the issue of gun control seriously. We have banned 1,500 assault weapons, including the gun that was used at École Polytechnique. Just yesterday, our government announced additional measures. We are banning 324 more makes and models of assault-style rifles to keep our streets safer.

Despite all the efforts over the last 35 years, we still have more to do, but we cannot do it alone. That is why we worked with provinces and territories to launch a national action plan to end gender-based violence and put in place bilateral agreements totalling more than $500 million over four years, allowing each jurisdiction to address their respective priorities and challenges. We owe it to every life taken too soon to take a stand and fight for a future free from gender-based violence.

As we continue to address gender-based violence, we honour the lives taken at École Polytechnique, and we commit to doing more for those most at risk, including young women, indigenous women, Black and immigrant women, gender-diverse individuals, women with disabilities and those in rural communities. Today and every day, let us remember that we all have a role to play in creating a future where all women can live free of violence.

École polytechnique de MontréalRoutine Proceedings

12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Dominique Vien Conservative Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, QC

Mr. Speaker, December 6 is always a hard day. It is always a harsh wake-up call. It brings back all the trauma. Exactly 35 years ago today, the unthinkable happened. It was in Montreal, on the eve of exams. The holidays were approaching. It should have been a time for celebration, but on that day, 14 female engineering students at the Polytechnique in Montreal were murdered in cold blood, because they were women.

The tragedy left us stunned with horror. We could not believe what had happened. We were all in shock. These 14 young women were all university students in the prime of life. They were probably feeling carefree, like people are at that age, when they think that they have everything figured out, that they are invincible, that the world is their oyster. That is how it should have been for these women.

Remember the 14: Geneviève Bergeron; Hélène Colgan; Nathalie Croteau; Barbara Daigneault; Anne‑Marie Edward; Maud Haviernick; Barbara Klucznik‑Widajewicz; Maryse Laganière; Maryse Leclair; Anne‑Marie Lemay; Sonia Pelletier; Michèle Richard; Annie St‑Arneault; and Annie Turcotte.

They were separated from the male students and murdered in cold blood because they were women. It is unspeakably cruel that a woman can be murdered and suffer this fate simply because she is a woman. In fact, it was so shocking that this Parliament decreed that every December 6 would be the National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence against Women.

I was in shock when it happened. I was 22. Obviously, we were all shaken by this tragedy. I also remember the moments surrounding the event. These women were my age. They were studying at university, just as I was. They had dreams and ambitions. In an instant, all that was shattered. Understandably, there were countless collateral victims, including family, colleagues and friends. Their journey came to an end, while mine continued. For all these reasons, they will forever be in my thoughts.

Today we pay tribute to these women, but we also pay tribute to the women in Canada and women around the world who are victims of hate and violence in all its forms. Thirty-five years later, this day is still necessary and just as relevant. Unfortunately, intimate partner violence, sexual assault and misogynistic speech still exist. The year is not over yet, but in 2024 alone, in Quebec, there have been 25 femicides. In Canada, there have been 169 so far in 2024.

In Canada, gender equality should not even be an issue. It should be settled question. It should be absorbed and learned from an early age. Gender equality is not up for debate. Everyone needs to understand that violence is never the answer, that women need to be completely free, free to study, free to govern, free to be MPs, free to be ministers, free from fear and from all forms of violence. They should never have to be in a constant state of hypervigilance when they walk down the street, as we are far too often. Only a woman can say that these days. Only women can say that.

At the Standing Committee on the Status of Women, I have incredible colleagues from all parties who I work with to improve this sad state of affairs, to ensure that women can move around freely and safely. We are making recommendations to the government.

Respectfully, I would like to make a few observations. This is not coming from a place of partisanship. I just want to share these ideas so that we can work together to fix this very sad trend of increasing violence. Violence has increased by 116% in Canada since 2015. Whether it is sexual assault or child abuse, all this violence is happening right under our noses. In my riding, people are firing guns. We really need to put positive measures in place in order for things to improve.

Quebec's justice minister, Simon Jolin-Barrette, says that Bill C‑5, which has been introduced in the House, allows people who commit violent acts to serve their sentences at home. Then there is Bill C‑75, which allows violent offenders to be released on bail. Normally, we would not allow people who have committed such acts to serve their sentences at home or to be released on bail. This is something that worries us on this side of the House. I am not saying this in a partisan way. The police forces are telling us this. Quebeckers are very sensitive to what the Quebec government says. It was Quebec's justice minister who shared this message about sexual assault. Women are being assaulted and men are walking around free. I say men because we know that 90% of sexual assaults are committed against women.

Today we are paying tribute to the victims. It is nice, and we are all giving fine speeches. We are joined in sadness. However, let us also take a close look at the actions we are taking and the decisions we are making as legislators. When we realize that something is not working, that we are not getting the desired results, let us have the collective intelligence to review, in this place, the measures that have been taken. I will pick up on something that was said earlier by the minister, whom I like very much. She talked about measures that have been put in place and an action plan she wants to table. I will just make this comment.

I would be remiss if I did not take a few seconds to commend the organizations in my colleagues' ridings and in my own riding, such as Fondation jonction pour elle, the Centre-Femmes Bellechasse, the Centre-Femmes l'Ancrage, and the Association féministe d'éducation et d'action sociale. These are all women helping other women in need, including women fleeing violence. These women welcome them and help them move forward.

In tribute to all the injured, abused and murdered women, I say this: We must never forget them.

École polytechnique de MontréalRoutine Proceedings

December 6th, 2024 / 12:50 p.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Mr. Speaker, today is December 6, 2024, and 35 years have passed. This evening, 15 beams of light will illuminate the skies of Montreal a little. We have not forgotten.

We have not forgotten them, sisters who were taken from us. We have not forgotten Geneviève Bergeron, 21, mechanical engineering student. We have not forgotten Maryse Laganière, 25, financial services employee. We have not forgotten Hélène Colgan, 23, mechanical engineering student. We have not forgotten Maryse Leclair, 23, metallurgical engineering student. We have not forgotten Nathalie Croteau, 23, mechanical engineering student. We have not forgotten Anne-Marie Lemay, 22, mechanical engineering student. We have not forgotten Barbara Daigneault, 22, mechanical engineering student. We have not forgotten Sonia Pelletier, 28, mechanical engineering student. We have not forgotten Anne-Marie Edward, 21, chemical engineering student. We have not forgotten Michèle Richard, 21, metallurgical engineering student. We have not forgotten Maud Haviernick, 29, metallurgical engineering student. We have not forgotten Annie St-Arneault, 23, mechanical engineering student. We have not forgotten Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz, 31, nursing student. We have not forgotten Annie Turcotte, 20, metallurgical engineering student.

We have not forgotten them, and there is hope in their memory. Tonight, women and men will gather for a candlelight vigil in their honour. Tonight, there will be tenderness, love, and determination. Tonight, there will be human warmth and a willingness for things to move forward. They, my sisters, will be with us, as they have been for 35 years. Though taken from us, these women are a driving force. They push us to move forward.

I am talking about hope because progress is possible. École Polytechnique has more women students than ever before. The school far exceeds the Canadian and Quebec average for female enrolment in engineering. In 2023, 34.6% of students enrolled at the Ph.D level were women. École Polytechnique exceeds 30% female enrolment year after year.

In the late 1980s, barely 15% of students were women, but that was already seen as too many because of misogyny, fear, hatred and guns. However, misogyny did not win. Fear did not win. Hatred did not win. Guns did not win. For decades, the victims of this attack have served as role models for thousands of women who carry their aspirations in their backpacks and who go on to use their degrees to help make Quebec society more vibrant and modern than ever.

My sisters must believe me. I know that the road is long, but we are also making progress on tightening gun control. We are working tirelessly and steadfastly to ensure that the weapons used against them can never be used again, either against women or against men. We still have work to do, but we are making progress with these women in mind. We must not go backwards. As we saw with the gun registry, the danger is very real. We must remain vigilant for them, for women, for our mothers, our sisters and our daughters, for the women yet to be born.

We will never forget my sisters who were taken from us on December 6, 1989. We will continue to fight against violence and for the emancipation of women. We will continue the fight with them at our side.

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12:55 p.m.

NDP

Bonita Zarrillo NDP Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

Mr. Speaker, it has been 35 years since Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz, Annie Turcotte, Annie St-Arneault, Michèle Richard, Sonia Pelletier, Anne-Marie Lemay, Maryse Leclair, Maryse Laganière, Maud Haviernick, Anne-Marie Edward, Barbara Daigneault, Nathalie Croteau, Hélène Colgan and Geneviève Bergeron were murdered for being women.

New Democrats will always remember the women of École polytechnique de Montréal who lost their lives to patriarchy and white privilege. This deadly combination continues with the upholding of male supremacy across the globe. It is called misogyny, an ingrained prejudice and contempt for women. It is misogyny that has kept women excluded from the hallways of power. It has limited their job opportunities, income, ability to move freely in the community, safety from violence or even access to the health care they need.

For indigenous women in Canada, the impacts are even more deadly. Indigenous women are killed at seven times the rate of non-indigenous women in Canada. This is a recognized genocide that has become so normalized in this country that, when an indigenous woman, girl or two-spirit individual goes missing or is killed, it barely makes the news. This reality is happening right now in Winnipeg, where murdered indigenous women have been abandoned in a landfill. It was not a given that the hallways of power would offer dignity to these women and search for them wherever they were. No, it took pressure from sisters to get it done.

I take a moment here to recognize the power of the NDP member for Winnipeg Centre, who fought alongside indigenous women and their families and created a red dress alert system to find and protect indigenous women, girls and two-spirit people. This is what action on violence against women looks like. It is shameful that women and gender-diverse people in this country need to stand on guard.

In 35 years, misogyny has not dissipated. In fact, it has increased. With the reach of online gaming and social media, misogyny now has a new name: manospheres. There are clubs, podcasts and books. Influencers use these platforms to radicalize young males through a combination of algorithmic design, social dynamics and exposure to extremist ideologies.

Let us remember these words: algorithmic amplification, gamification of hate, normalization of misogyny, recruitment of vulnerable men and lack of countermessaging. These are all enemies of human rights, and they are the new wave of violence against women and diverse genders. Right now, the Canadian Museum for Human Rights draws the country's attention to the fact that a “growing number of men spread hateful ideas about women, trans and nonbinary [people] online. Some internet communities even encourage and celebrate gender-based violence.”

The article continues, “Researchers have called for a variety of regulatory and technical improvements to reduce the reach and harmfulness of radical, hateful internet content. Simply banning users who engage in hate speech—deplatforming—has been shown to reduce their reach.” Legislatures must take action on this immediately; the Internet giants will not, because they are benefiting financially from hate and the abuse of women and people of diverse genders.

This is where Canada is, 35 years after 12 aspiring engineers, a nurse and a budget clerk were killed for being women and taking the chance to bravely step into the manosphere.

Today and every day, New Democrats honour the women who lost their lives at École Polytechnique and every victim of gender-based violence. We call on the government and the opposition to stop fuelling hate, take immediate action to end the amplification of misogyny, and end decades of governments' systemic failures to protect the fundamental human rights of women and gender-diverse people in this country.

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1 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, I seek the unanimous consent of the House to add words on behalf of the Green Party of Canada on this very sombre day.

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1 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion to speak will please say nay.

The motion is carried.

The Honourable Member for Saanich—Gulf Islands has the floor.

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1 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, today we remember Geneviève Bergeron, Hélène Colgan, Nathalie Croteau, Barbara Daigneault, Anne-Marie Edward, Maud Haviernick, Maryse Laganière, Maryse Leclair, Anne-Marie Lemay, Sonia Pelletier, Michèle Richard, Annie St-Arneault, Annie Turcotte and Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz.

I thank the Chair and all my colleagues for their remarks. I thank the minister for her apt and sombre words. Thirty-five years later, this horrific event remains incomprehensible. I remember the murder of 14 women on December 6, 1989, as if it were yesterday.

We think of them on this day. We also say we know that ending violence is a job for us all. We must speak out against femicide. We must stand with those women still in Afghanistan and help them to survive. We must stand with all indigenous women and girls in Canada. We must say that it is time to end violence against women, violence against each other and the violence we carry in our hearts.

When we remember the horrific events of 35 years ago, we say on this day that these women were killed solely because they were women, but the killer in his note made it clear that these 14 women were killed because he saw them as feminists. They were killed because the misogynist killer saw them as feminists who had wrecked his life. We see this now, as other colleagues have mentioned, growing in things as strange as the incel movement that launched killings on the streets of Toronto. We see it in movements, as my friend from Port Moody—Coquitlam just mentioned, in online social media augmentation of hatred against women.

However, the most important thing is to remember that dark day. We will not forget the women who were killed 35 years ago today. We stand in solidarity with them and with men who identify as feminists. We must work together, always, to end violence.

We must end violence against women. We must move on legislation that deals with intimate partner violence. There are things we can do, such as limiting access to the type of weapon that killed 14 women 35 years ago today. We must never forget them as individuals, and we must work to end violence against women everywhere, all at once and for always.

We are all working together towards the same goal: to end violence.

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1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I wish to inform the House that because of ministerial statements, Government Orders will be extended by 30 minutes.

We will go back to the question of privilege. I just want to remind members that on a question of privilege, members are expected to be brief and concise in explaining the event.

The Speaker will hear the member and may permit other members who are directly implicated in the matter to intervene. The Speaker also has the discretion to seek advice from other members to help determine whether there is a prima facie question of privilege involved that would warrant giving the matter priority consideration over the House's business. When satisfied, the Speaker will terminate the discussion.

The hon. member for Thornhill has the floor.