House of Commons Hansard #385 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was indigenous.

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Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Madam Speaker, the member made some good points, but after nine years, there have been too few homes built in Canada to come anywhere close to keeping pace with the need.

It is very obvious in the fact that the only thing that has happened is that rents, mortgages and housing costs have doubled. However, the Liberals do not think that taking the GST off any homes built below a million dollars would be helpful. It certainly would be to the young people I speak to.

Can the member for Kings—Hants indicate why the Liberals have not been anywhere near successful in meeting the demand?

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, I actually think the proposal as is would be helpful. My speech gave another level of nuance. I hope the member for Brandon—Souris can have a conversation with the leader of the official opposition to say that it is fine if we want to have this policy, but it should not be on the back of actually cutting the federal funding. The funding is helping to build the homes that would be necessary for people to take advantage of the tax credit that we are putting in place or the GST relief.

We have built 500,000 homes in this country. There are a lot of good initiatives. There are issues in western liberal democracies right now around homebuilding. A lot of them came on the back of the pandemic, when we did not have supply by virtue of almost 30 years of governments of Canada, successive Liberal and Conservative governments, getting out of the space of federal housing at a time when interest rates from the central banks were very low. Housing prices took off because of the fact that mortgage lending space opened up and there was not enough supply. However, the way to get where we want to go is not by actually cutting the programs that build the supply for the homes we need.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:15 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Beaulieu Bloc La Pointe-de-l'Île, QC

Madam Speaker, essentially, that is a way for the Conservatives to pass the cost on to the provinces and to Quebec.

With $18 billion in projected housing starts, the same amount it will cost the government in taxes could help build roughly 20,000 social housing units.

I would like to know what my colleague thinks about that.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Madam Speaker, unfortunately, I missed part of my hon. colleague's question. However, I completely agree that it is important to invest in social housing.

The reason we are having this problem is that for 30 years, the federal Conservative government—but also the federal Liberal government—moved away from investing in non-profit organizations and the provinces for building social housing.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Madam Speaker, I share my colleagues' concerns with some of the language that is being used by the Conservative leader. I look at Mayor Scott Goodmanson of Langford, Mayor Michelle Staples of Duncan, Mayor Rob Douglas of North Cowichan and Mayor Tim McGonigle of Lake Cowichan. These individuals and their councillors are people whom I value incredibly, and we have a great working relationship.

Another province that is doing great work, of course, is British Columbia, with the BC NDP. Our housing starts right now are 40% higher than they were under the previous government. We are leading the way on tax measures designed to clamp down on speculation, and the province has stepped in to change the zoning laws where some municipalities are not keeping up with the demand.

I am just wondering if my colleague thinks that maybe there are additional measures; maybe we need to look to our past for examples. During and immediately following the Second World War, the federal government stepped in with the creation of a Crown corporation to deal with returning veterans and the influx of workers, who were helping with the war effort, to our cities.

Does he think that such a measure might be beneficial here and now or that it is at least an idea to be considered, given the housing crunch that we are currently facing and the fact that the market has not met the demand?

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Madam Speaker, I agree. We should be concerned when there is criticism of our local mayors and the people who step up to serve our communities. The member for Carleton should actually stand in this place and start naming them. Are they my mayors? Are they the member for Cowichan—Malahat—Langford's mayors? Who is the member talking about? He likes the bogeyman, but these are people trying to serve their communities. As federal representatives, we should be trying to provide support to build the housing that is needed.

In relation to the question around a Crown corporation and whether we should create another Crown agency, I do not know. However, I like that the Minister of Housing has put out the idea of using federal lands and federal resources in a public sense to try to build more housing. We have to utilize all tools at our disposal.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:20 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Perron Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to speak to the Conservatives' motion on housing. Many, if not all, of the members of the House give genuine priority to housing. However, although everyone here sincerely prioritizes housing, their solutions can vary. One person who genuinely puts a lot of effort into the housing file and will be enlightening us on the subject is the legendary member from Jonquière, who is renowned for his verve and punchy delivery. He will follow up on my speech, so I will be sharing my time with him.

The Bloc Québécois agrees with the motion in principle, but we have a major problem with how it is drafted, in particular its proposal to have the provinces eliminate the provincial sales tax. The Conservatives are calling on Quebec to eliminate the tax on new housing units. It is not up to the federal government to tell Quebec and the provinces what to do, especially in these desperate times, when we are facing a fiscal imbalance.

A few days ago we saw a perfect example of the fact we are facing a fiscal imbalance. The Prime Minister announced that he wanted to grant a three-month GST holiday on a package of goods—here we could have at least discussed what type of goods would be included—and give a $250 cheque to everyone with a net income of $150,000 or less a year, which is a ridiculous measure. That same day, the Quebec finance minister regretfully announced that there was not enough money to maintain the health care and education systems and that he was forced to demand that his various departments stay strictly within their budgets because the books had to balanced at the end of the month. We saw both of these things on the same day: Santa Claus giving out presents, while the provinces tightened their belts. That actually happens every day. That is Canada in 2024, and that has been our reality for a long time now. We would like to see things change in 2025.

That said, the federal government has no business telling Quebec what to do, but the federal government could decide to remove the GST on the construction of new housing, and we think that could be a positive thing. However, it is important to remember that new housing represents only 30% of the market, so this measure will have a limited impact on the market. It is also important to remember that, in general, the real estate market in Quebec and Canada is overheating. There is not enough supply to meet the demand.

Inflation has caused housing prices to skyrocket. We are talking about a 68% increase over the past three years in Quebec. Where did that inflation come from? It came from the fact that every time a house goes on the market, there are 22 potential buyers. Buyers know when they make an offer that they will not be the only ones doing so. That creates a bidding war and drives up housing prices. The value of such transactions affects the value of future transactions. That is a really big problem.

Removing the GST from housing construction could allow for some breathing room, but we are concerned that this 5% will simply end up in the pockets of developers and sellers. We are concerned about that, but we cannot be against a good thing or against a measure that makes it easier to buy housing. That is why we will be supporting this motion. However, since we have serious concerns, I think it would be a good idea to amend that part of today's motion.

We need a lot of housing units. Let us talk percentages. The Liberal government has implemented various programs to facilitate access to housing. The leader of the Conservative Party says he would eliminate these programs at the earliest opportunity to finance his tax cuts. I am not sure that that is the way to go.

Quebec is already not receiving its share of these programs. Quebec represents 22% of the population of Canada, but it has received only 14% of the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation's housing accelerator fund. Quebec has received only 6.2% of the budget for the affordable housing fund, even though it represents 22% of the population of Canada. These percentages are bad enough, but it gets worse. CMHC says that 31% of Canada's housing needs are in Quebec. That is strange, because Quebec is expected to pay more for programs in other provinces with smaller populations because the goal is to provide uniform services across the country, yet when Quebec should be getting more than the percentage of the population that it represents, not only does is it not get 31%, it does not even get 22%. It gets 14% and 6%. That is preposterous.

At the same time, Quebec is left waiting for funding for its projects, because the federal government's funding always comes with strings attached and specific expectations. It wants to negotiate with Quebec, but this is Quebeckers' own money that it is sending back to them. This money is not a gift from the federal government. It comes from the sales tax and income tax that Quebeckers have paid throughout the year. Quebec should not have to beg for it.

Consider the last round of negotiations on the affordable housing program. It took three years for the federal government to loosen its purse strings and transfer the funds to Quebec. There were three long years of negotiations. The projects could and should have started in 2017. The housing crisis might be less serious today if we had started earlier. However, because of the negotiations, the projects did not start until 2020. That is the story of housing in Quebec and Canada. If anyone is looking for arguments to support Quebec's political independence, it is not hard to find them in the House. Every day of the week, we find good reasons for Quebec to become independent.

The Liberals make all kinds of promises and come up with wishy-washy programs that do not amount to much. The Conservatives want to replace them and say that they are going to get rid of everything. There will no longer be any taxes, and the invisible hand of supply and demand will balance out the market. They are day and night, but they both look similar at dawn. They are like two different shades of grey, and both are unsatisfactory for Quebeckers. We need clear, drastic measures on housing.

In the last minute that I have left, I will cite some of the things that the Bloc Québécois proposed in its last platform. We proposed putting 1% of the federal government's revenues into social, community and truly affordable housing. That is another topic that cannot be resolved in 10 minutes. When the so-called affordable housing is not affordable in real life because it is too expensive, then we need to have another look at the criteria. We need to recalculate everything. We also proposed that all of the federal government's surplus properties be prioritized for housing development. We proposed charging a tax on real estate speculation to stop people from moving too often or from flipping homes for profit. We proposed a change to the home buyers' plan. We proposed creating an acquisition fund to help first-time buyers come up with a down payment. We also proposed transfers to Quebec with no strings attached. I will close on that.

I have a message for all the federalist political parties: The best way to increase the housing supply is to transfer the money to Quebec and the provinces. They will figure it out with the municipalities. The federal government has no business telling the municipalities and provinces what to do.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:30 p.m.

Sackville—Preston—Chezzetcook Nova Scotia

Liberal

Darrell Samson LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Rural Economic Development and Minister responsible for the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency

Madam Speaker, I have to say that my colleague made some good points.

He recognized that a combination of measures is needed to achieve the objective of addressing the housing crisis. Let us not forget that the Conservative Party members are saying that they have the best strategy. They are going to get rid of all the other strategies that we proposed and that are on the table today. However, the mayors are thanking us for introducing them. I recognize the jurisdictional issue, but a Canadian is a Canadian. To keep from wasting time, they need to work closely with the federal and provincial governments to achieve the goal of building housing quickly.

Does my colleague agree that the Conservative Party members should not be muzzled? We know that they are not allowed to talk about this.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:30 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Perron Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to hear that the parliamentary secretary agrees with my entire speech. I am very pleased to hear that.

Of course I want members to have freedom of speech. It is more than a little worrisome to find out that some political parties forbid their members from speaking out. Even more serious is the fact that members are forbidden from promoting programs that could provide money for their constituents.

Our primary task, ahead of representing any political party, and ahead of serving as a parliamentary secretary, a minister or a member of the shadow cabinet, is to represent the people who elected us and put their interests first, ahead of our own views. I do think that is a very serious problem.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:35 p.m.

NDP

Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC

Madam Speaker, in 1992, the Liberals pulled out of the national housing strategy at a time when we were building 25,000 non-market housing units a year.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:35 p.m.

An hon. member

Where were you?

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:35 p.m.

NDP

Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC

Madam Speaker, I grew up in co-op housing, to answer my colleague who just heckled me. Thirty-two years without building those 25,000 units has obviously left us in a huge deficit. In fact, right now we are the lowest in the OECD in non-market housing, at 3.5%. We can look to the Netherlands, where it is at 34%; Denmark, where it is at 21%; or France, where it is at 17% and its goal is 20%.

Does my colleague believe that maybe it would be better if we took the GST and returned it to communities where it was collected to build non-market housing? He talked about not telling communities what to do, but how about putting it back in the hands of communities for non-market housing so we could scale up? Maybe he could speak to the importance of that.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:35 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Perron Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for that great question, and yes, that would be wonderful.

What I want, as I said in my speech earlier, is for the federal government to stop imposing conditions. The member has suggested taking the equivalent of the money collected for the GST and returning it to the communities to fund non-market housing, in other words, community or affordable housing. I applaud and would welcome that.

The problem my colleague raised in his question goes deeper than that. He mentioned the housing deficit. Our governments are too focused on short-term action, on four-year horizons, to win votes. The $250 cheque is a good example of that. Such measures are hogwash.

We need to think about the long term. We should not be having a housing crisis. Long-term plans should have been made ages ago. There is a labour shortage. I taught my high school students about this in the 1990s. I told them there would be a labour shortage if nothing was done to prevent it. I cannot believe that I knew that, but our leaders did not. There are no long-term measures.

It is important to look ahead to the future.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Madam Speaker, I am really glad to see that my colleague from Quebec agrees with me in regard to our Conservative idea of taking some of the government buildings we have and turning them into affordable housing. I think affordable housing has proven to be the area of most need in Canada.

I wonder if he could expand on anything else, besides using those buildings for affordable housing, he thinks would be of benefit to those who cannot afford a home today, and what he thinks of the idea of taking the GST off of homes built by anyone, but particularly younger people in Canada, that are under a million dollars.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:35 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Perron Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Madam Speaker, I do agree. We support any measure that can significantly improve access to housing.

My colleague asked me whether I had any other ideas. We have plenty, but since I have only 30 seconds to speak, I will simply reiterate our main proposal. Money must be invested regularly over the long term for affordable, social and community housing. We must think outside the box in terms of transforming existing buildings and prioritize the co-operative model. There are many things we can do, and we must act in a non-partisan manner.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

December 9th, 2024 / 1:35 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I am surprised that the motion the House is taking up today is not a motion of non-confidence. I thought the Conservatives had said they were going to take advantage of every opposition day to try and topple the government. I do not know what is going on, but it does seem like part of a pattern, because today's motion strikes me as typical of the tactics employed by the member for Carleton. I call this the Carleton method.

What does this method look like? It often involves focusing on populist proposals based on simplistic notions in response to complex problems. Every time I see a Conservative motion, that is what it looks like. My colleague from Berthier—Maskinongé said earlier that the Bloc Québécois was going to vote in favour of this motion. However, we are doing so somewhat reluctantly, because the motion contains a trap. Reducing taxes may stimulate housing construction, but we need to go a little further.

That is why I think we need to ditch the Carleton method, which consists of overly simplistic proposals that often take the form of political rhetoric and catchy sound bytes. It seems to me that, during their last leadership race, the Conservatives chose a leader who would be better suited for an advertising agency than for the job of prime minister. I say this without rancor. He is great at coming up with slogans, but as for innovative solutions, I have yet to see any.

It is symptomatic of what we have been seeing in the House for a while now. For the Conservatives, politics seems to be boil down to chanting slogans. Some of my colleagues may have seen groups of people laying hands, chanting and expecting results. That is what I think of when I hear the Conservatives. Some of my colleagues may be familiar with the Conservative Party's chants: axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget. I do not know whether they intend to use a drill and a screwdriver, but they want to fix the budget and stop the crime.

Every time I hear the leader of the Conservative Party, all of those chants make me think about François Truffaut's films, of which I am a fan. It makes me think of the film The 400 Blows, as well as the sequel, Stolen Kisses. There is an interesting character in these films called Antoine Doinel. To illustrate his lust for Fabienne Tabard, Truffaut shows him in front of a mirror for a long time compulsively repeating the name Fabienne Tabard. He thinks he will get somewhere if he just keeps repeating it, but in the end, his lecherous desire will go unrequited. I feel like I am watching a cheap new version of a Truffaut film when I hear the leader of the official opposition repeat his political rhetoric and formulas ad nauseum.

The solution put forward in this political rhetoric is fundamentally cosmetic. When faced with complex political problems, one needs structuring measures. I will explain why I believe the Conservatives' proposal is not a structuring measure, even though we will be voting for it.

First, I listened to the leader of the official opposition's speech earlier. He clearly said that we needed to end bureaucracy. The most populist discourse is the one that accuses politicians of taking money away from workers, wanting to steal from them and rob them of what is theirs. They forget to mention that we also collect sales tax and income tax to be able to offer services. The leader of the official opposition is very careful not to mention that we collect sales tax and income tax to be able to offer services. In his speech, he said he wanted to take money away from the politicians and give it directly back to citizens, to workers.

I have a different interpretation of what he is proposing. I get the impression that the leader of the official opposition is funding a populist measure on the backs of the provinces. We see at the end of the motion that the member for Carleton clearly intends to ensure that the provincial premiers also remove the sales tax on new construction. In Quebec's case, that would be the QST.

That is quite problematic because, as my colleague indicated earlier, in Quebec's case, the forecast for housing starts next year is $18 billion. Removing the QST would mean a $1.8-billion shortfall for Quebec. The leader of the official opposition is not saying so, but in his motion he is asking the Quebec government to forgo $1.8 billion when Quebec's deficit is nearly $13 billion. Any reasonable person would understand that Quebec cannot agree to that.

There is a relatively simple notion in the Canadian federation, and that is fiscal imbalance. What does the federal government always do when it needs to tighten its belt? It cuts transfer payments and transfers the tax burden of its policies onto the provinces. That is the oldest trick in the book. Even Jean Chrétien said that it was the best thing since sliced bread, because that means there is no political price to pay. When the leader of the official opposition says that he will put more in workers' pockets, he means that he will get the money from the provinces, like Quebec, that are already having difficulty carrying out their responsibilities in education and health care. My colleagues know as well as I do that health care and child care in Quebec is chronically underfunded. If $1.8 billion is cut from Quebec and the deficit increases, that would once more compromise Quebec's mission, which is to put in place the social safety net that is helping families who are already having a hard time. Eliminating a service on the one hand and allowing them to save on the purchase of a house on the other is not a structuring measure. In my opinion, it does nothing to solve the fiscal imbalance. Let us take this a bit further. A quick calculation shows that, with this $1.8 billion, Quebec could finance almost 20,000 social housing units. In some way, the leader of the official opposition would deprive Quebec of 20,000 social housing units. For these reasons, the motion put forward by our Conservative colleagues could benefit from an amendment. I will get back to that later.

Why do I say this is not a structuring measure? It is because I feel that my Conservative Party colleagues never tackle the real problems. What brought on the housing crisis in Quebec? Immigration is responsible for much of it. I have never seen my Conservative colleagues hold an opposition day to oppose the Century Initiative, the Liberals' political commitment to act in such a way as to ensure that Quebec loses all control over immigration and that unprecedented pressure is exerted on the various services. I have never heard the Conservatives talk about that. They are not tackling a central problem, namely immigration. They have only started doing that recently.

Another problem they have been silent on is the one raised by the the Canadian Construction Association. The people in this association have made it clear to us, in numerous meetings, that home construction and housing cannot be considered in a vacuum. It takes infrastructure, but the municipalities' infrastructure deficit is so high that it might well take $128 billion to build this infrastructure.

I will close by discussing the TECQ program, or the gas tax and Quebec's contribution. If we want better municipal infrastructure, it is inevitable that the municipalities must have access to the funding they need. Unfortunately, however, the government did not renew the TECQ.

I move the following amendment: That the motion be amended by deleting the words “and call on the provincial premiers to match this proposal”.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

It is my duty to inform hon. members that an amendment to an opposition motion may be moved only with the consent of the sponsor of the motion. If the sponsor is not present, the House leader, the whip or the deputy whip of the sponsor's party may give or refuse consent on the sponsor's behalf.

Since none of them are present in the House to give consent, the amendment cannot be moved at this time.

The hon. parliamentary secretary.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:45 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, one of the things that I have found disrespectful, coming from the official opposition, is the fact that the Conservatives are completely ignoring and, I would suggest, abusing other levels of government.

The current leader of the Conservative Party is likely the worst-ever minister of housing since World War II and even pre-World War II. At the same time, he is now downplaying the importance of the accelerator fund, even though some of his own Conservative members are writing in support of the fund.

I am wondering if the member could provide his thoughts in regard to the fact that, when governments work together, they can in fact get more accomplished, and that the accelerator fund is something that is good for all regions of the country.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I rarely agree with the member for Winnipeg North. I am not trying to be unkind, but for once he said something that made sense, and I completely agree with him.

It is not by calling the mayors of Quebec's biggest municipalities incompetent that we are going to generate more housing construction. As I was saying earlier, I call this the member for Carleton's method: He either recites slogans or hurls insults. That is what we have seen from the member for Carleton.

I do not know whether he will be changing his ways any time soon. I would encourage him to do so and to, for once, propose policy directions that get away from the unbridled populism that does not in any way serve the interests of any segment of our society.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:50 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Madam Speaker, I very much enjoyed my colleague's reference to the “Carleton method”, which in some quarters of Ottawa is also known as the “Stornoway method.”

I would caution him on repeating Conservative slogans, because otherwise the Conservative whip's office might come and give him a gold star. However, I do share his concerns that what the Conservatives are proposing these days does not have a lot of substance to it. It might look good on the surface, but I would agree with him that we need more of a wholesale structural change, because we are facing a housing policy that is in deficit from 30 years of combined Liberal and Conservative governments. That is why we are where we are today.

Could the member offer a few more comments? Maybe he could expand on his remarks about how we need to take a deep dive into this, and how it needs to be a wholesale structural rethinking of how the federal government interacts with both the provinces and the municipalities. It cannot be a relationship based on petty insults and grievances, but one where there is collaborative working together.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I think the most sustainable solution for Quebec in the long term is independence, but I will not play partisan politics.

We definitely need more autonomy. Who knows about housing needs? I will be frank, it is not the federal government. It is the municipalities and the Quebec government that know what they need in terms of infrastructure to build more housing units. Yet that is completely the opposite of what the leader of the official opposition suggested earlier when he said he wanted to take money away from the politicians and give it directly to workers. Giving money directly to workers by means of a tax credit is one thing, but if we do not have the infrastructure to build housing units, we are no further ahead. That looks suspiciously like the member from Carleton's usual populist approach. It is not a structuring measure, but a good political pitch. It comes back to what I was saying earlier.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:50 p.m.

Bloc

Louise Chabot Bloc Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Madam Speaker, at least the motion addresses housing and the housing crisis we are currently experiencing. However, I am not sure that this measure aimed at eliminating the GST will mean more housing units, and especially not social housing units.

The Liberals are happy to argue with the Conservatives, because their own strategy does not work. I would like to hear what my colleague has to say about that.

Recently, in response to the homelessness crisis, the government decided to invest another $250 million in the Reaching Home program, except there are bloody strings attached. As a condition, Quebec would have to submit all of its projects. We do not need to submit any projects. The tents we all see on the streets speak for themselves.

I would like to hear the comments—

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Jonquière has time for a short response.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, my colleague from Thérèse-De Blainville is absolutely right. She asked the question and actually gave the answer too. The Liberal government is adding conditions to most of these issues, without taking into account the jurisdictions of the provinces and cities. The Conservatives are trying to starve the provinces and Quebec by passing on part of the cost and calling mayors—

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

I am sorry, but the hon. member's time has expired.

Resuming debate, the hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby.