House of Commons Hansard #37 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was economy.

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Opposition Motion—Cost of Deficits Members debate the Liberal government's economic policies, focusing on deficit spending's impact on investment, jobs, and the cost of living. Conservatives contend deficits drive down investment, citing 86,000 net job losses and "unsustainable" finances, urging spending cuts. Liberals assert Canada has the lowest net debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7, attributing inflation to global factors, and defending investments and tax cuts. The Bloc Québécois agrees with "abysmal" management, criticizing forgone revenues and oil subsidies. The NDP proposes an excess profits tax. 33100 words, 4 hours.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize the Prime Minister's commitment to send $1 trillion in investments to the U.S., which they argue will cost Canadian jobs. They highlight Canada's fastest-shrinking economy in the G7 and the doubling of softwood lumber and auto tariffs, demanding he stand up for Canadian workers.
The Liberals commend a Middle East peace plan and defend their economic record, highlighting the lowest net debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7. They focus on improving trade with the U.S., diversifying international agreements, and supporting Canadian workers and sectors like softwood lumber and auto manufacturing. They also emphasize defending the Charter and border security.
The Bloc criticizes the Prime Minister for broken promises on U.S. tariffs and delayed sector support. They also defend the notwithstanding clause against Liberal "distortions," accusing them of trying to weaken Quebec's sovereignty.
The NDP advocates for workers' right to strike and criticizes the Prime Minister's concessions to Trump on projects like the Keystone pipeline.

Opposition Motion Members debate Canada's economic state. Conservatives argue Liberal government spending fuels inflation, job losses, and declining investment, worsening the cost of living crisis. They advocate for fiscal discipline and private investment. Liberals defend their record, citing Canada's strong G7 standing, and highlight initiatives like tax cuts, housing programs, and a plan to "spend less to invest more" in the upcoming budget. They attribute inflation to global factors. 25200 words, 3 hours.

Adjournment Debates

International development spending Elizabeth May argues that Canada should focus on international development and humanitarian aid rather than military spending, especially given the U.S.'s retreat from multilateralism. Yasir Naqvi defends the government's commitment to international aid, stating that development, diplomacy, and defence are all needed for global security.
Youth unemployment rate Don Davies expresses concern about unemployment and criticizes the Liberals' plans for austerity. Leslie Church defends the government's programs for skills training and job creation. Garnett Genuis states Liberal policies are to blame, and more investment is needed. Both Church and Genuis agree about the need for skilled trades.
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Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:50 a.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, as I indicated, the government, in particular the Prime Minister, has been very much focused on the issue of affordability. We do care very much about what is taking place in our communities. The issue of disposable income is something that we take very seriously, and that is why the Prime Minister actually got rid of the carbon tax. That is why we gave the tax cut for 22 million Canadians. That is all increasing the disposable income for Canadians. The Prime Minister, in a very short window, has already demonstrated compassion and a caring attitude in providing supports for Canadians.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:50 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, what I always find quite amusing is how Conservatives take an economic issue, completely dumb it down and try to explain things that in reality are not practical. I remember, a year ago, the countless number of times we heard the Leader of the Opposition say that the only thing that caused inflation was the carbon tax and that as soon as the carbon tax was gone all inflation problems would be gone.

Of course, the Conservatives neglect to reflect on the fact that inflation is a global phenomenon that is impacted by so many different events. What the parliamentary secretary did today was highlight a lot of the dumbing-down of economic issues, which, quite frankly, is probably why the Canadian people do not put faith in the Conservatives when it comes to the economy. I wonder whether the parliamentary secretary would agree with me on that?

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:55 a.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, yes, absolutely I agree with the sentiments that have been expressed by my colleague.

The global economy is changing. Whether the Conservatives want to stay in the past and continue to talk down Canada or not, we as a government, whether the Prime Minister, cabinet or the entire Liberal caucus, will continue to reflect the interests of the constituents whom we represent and of Canadians as a whole, because we understand and appreciate the importance of the changing world today. That is why the major projects are so important, why maintaining our social programs where we can is critically important, and why we are going to table a budget on November 4.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:55 a.m.

Kings—Hants Nova Scotia

Liberal

Kody Blois LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister

Mr. Speaker, it is always a privilege to rise in this place and to bring the perspective of the good people of Kings—Hants to the day's debate.

Of course, today's debate is on an opposition day motion. My Conservative colleagues will know that I always enjoy the opportunity to engage with the text of the motion they put before the House. The text of today's motion tries to suggest that Canada's new government is similar to the last one. There are elements where that is true, and there are elements where that is wrong.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:55 a.m.

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Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:55 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, I hear some of the Conservative members yelling and jostling across the aisle. They would love to think the Prime Minister we have now is the same as the last prime minister, and they are trying to paint that picture in the House, but Canadians know that is not the case. I will highlight in my speech the differentiation between how the government is keeping policies we think are extremely important and how it is also making substantive changes that Canadians asked for and that we have a mandate to help deliver in the current Parliament.

I also want to reject the premise that the Conservatives are putting forward, the idea that any form of deficit somehow does not lead to investment or is somehow problematic for the economy, and I think we are going to have the opportunity to tackle that as well, but let us take a look at the government's record in the past. I look forward to highlighting this to my Conservative colleagues who voted against a number of measures that, I want my constituents to understand, the party opposite has been against.

There is the national child care policy. We talked about it for 50 years. It is helping deliver affordability for families. It has increased access to child care across this country. Is that a failed policy? The Conservative Party would suggest that national child care is a failed policy of the last government. The current government believes in it. We are working with provincial and territorial governments across this country, and I know it is making a difference. There is more work to be done, of course, but it is not a failed policy. I think parents, women's advocates and people who believe in youth and childhood development are not going to tell us it is a failed policy.

What about the Canada child benefit? It is helping to ensure that in Kings—Hants, $17 million a month is provided to lower-income and middle-income families. I have had opportunities to talk to single mothers who have said to me that without the Canada child benefit, they would not have been able to put their child in organized sports or that they would perhaps not be able to buy more nutritious groceries.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:55 a.m.

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Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:55 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, Conservatives again are yelling. The member for Yorkton—Melville is suggesting that she supported it. No, she did not. I am happy to go on the record to say that they voted against that policy. Is it a failed policy? I think not. The Canada child benefit is one of the best policies the government has put forward.

There is the old age security and the guaranteed income supplement. There are a lot of seniors in Kings—Hants. Those seniors matter. I try to be an advocate. We have to be a lot of different things to a lot of different people as members of Parliament, but I have tried to be an advocate for our seniors. I ask my Conservative colleagues, is that a failed policy of the government, the increase of 10% to OAS for seniors and the augmentation of the guaranteed income supplement? They voted against it. I guess they can explain why they did not think it was important.

There has been generational infrastructure investment in Kings—Hants, whether in waste water or infrastructure to support housing. There has been a housing boom in our communities. I would ask the Conservatives this: Is the investment under the Canada infrastructure program a failed policy? I would suggest it is not.

Income with respect to heating is important. In Atlantic Canada, the government has put forward programs that would actually help everyone below the provincial median income with up to $20,000 to help move towards a heat pump and give people above the median income access to borrowing and to making investments to improve energy efficiency. This is most important for affordability, but it also reduces emissions at the same time.

Conservatives voted against the heat pump programs every single time. I guess that is another failed policy, yet I have seen the results in my own riding with respect to what it has meant for individuals who have been able to transition off a heating source that was costing $7,000 or $8,000 a year to heat their home, and it brought their energy bills lower. I guess the Conservatives suggest that it is failed policy.

I believe, and I would hope members of the House agree, that fiscal discipline is an important public policy measure. It matters. On that, I would extend an olive branch to MPs who want to talk reasonably and rationally about it, but to suggest that any deficit does not or cannot lead to economic success is a complete fallacy.

Let me give an example Canadians at home would appreciate. I cannot speak for every member in the House, but I can talk about the time when my wife and I bought our first house, and we did not have the money to pay for it. We ran a deficit. We took a mortgage. We borrowed to try to create a better future. I know that we have work to do on housing across the country, but many Canadians would be able to relate to a similar situation when they borrowed to try to build a better future. Governments are no different. Governments have to make choices about whether they want to make investments to create a better economic outcome.

As opposed to looking at this through a binary choice suggesting that any deficit is a bad thing, as opposed to looking at the investments to grow the economy, a better measure is the debt-to-GDP ratio. If we are running a deficit, is the economic growth outpacing the debt that is being taken on?

I am happy to tell my Conservative colleagues that Canada has the lowest net debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7. What does that mean? The economic growth is in proportion to the size of the economy. This is important, because I do not hear a whole lot of intellectual stuff coming from you guys in terms of the economic basis, I am sorry to say. I have to be able to suggest that the size of the economy—

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11 a.m.

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Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11 a.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

Order. I will just remind colleagues to address their comments through the Chair, and we will avoid all of this.

The hon. parliamentary secretary.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, I listened when colleagues spoke, although I certainly disagreed with a lot of different measures. The net debt-to-GDP ratio is the size of the Canadian economy versus the debt that exists. My measure for Canadians at home then is to say that Canada's debt position is actually sustainable. We have to be able to look at the cost. That is exactly what the government is doing.

It is interesting to hear the Conservatives yelling again in the House.

The budget has not yet been presented. The government was elected on a mandate very clearly to do two things, to separate operational spending versus capital investment. The government is going to be doing that. We have signalled that we are going to be, frankly, reevaluating operational spending while also setting aside the capital investments to build a future for a brighter tomorrow. That is extremely important.

The Conservatives stand up in this place to tell Canadians that, frankly, there is no economic hope, that the country is broken, and we have heard that same narrative. Canadians want politicians to talk reasonably about the challenges that exist. I will be extremely clear: The government understands that it has a mandate to rein in operational spending, while at the same time, to invest in capital projects that are important.

While the member from Saskatchewan, from Yorkton, continues to yell across this House—

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11 a.m.

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Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, I would tell her the reality is that we need to continue to put investments on the table to drive and catalyze private sector investments. That is where we have to go.

We also have the lowest deficit in the G7. We would never hear that from the opposition benches in terms of our position. I think it is important that the government actually addresses operational spending. It is coming on November 4. We are going to see that from the government. It is going to be a responsible approach.

What I am hearing from the Conservatives is that they would just gut everything. They would gut it all. Canadians do not want that. They want a government that is going to walk the line between a reasonable fiscal approach, reining in operational spending, at the same time being forward looking about where the economy has to go, because we are in a difficult period. The world is a different place than it was six months ago. The U.S. government is changing its trade policy, which is having an adverse impact on certain sectors in the Canadian economy. The government was elected, and the Prime Minister was elected, to make sure that we are the best ones to move forward in terms of how Canada positions itself in the days ahead.

I think it is extremely important when we talk about what this government is doing, such as major projects. The Conservatives, I would hope, would be in support of that. LNG too, when fully completed, will be the second-largest LNG project in the world, and the lowest emitting. That is something we should be proud of. As to the Foran mine in Saskatchewan, we should be proud of the copper production there. In our neck of the woods in Atlantic Canada, it could be renewable energy that we could drive forward.

We have cut taxes for 22 million Canadians. We have removed the GST for first-time homebuyers up to $1 million. We have removed the consumer carbon price, which again, was important for rural communities. It is a strong policy that I was advocating for. I am glad to see that the government and the Prime Minister have been able to find a pragmatic way forward.

The last thing I am going to say is that the Conservative motion talks about food prices. It is pretty rich to have members of the Conservative Party stand up here in the House on this. They had nothing to say in the election for farmers, not one single message. They stand up on their high horses, yet have nothing to say.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, it was interesting listening the member's speech. He spoke eloquently, but he did not have a basic understanding of finances when he referred to deficits and the accumulation of debt as being the same thing. They are absolutely very different from each other. I would hope that he would educate himself on the difference between deficits and debt.

The government has signalled that it is going to make a significant departure from the way it has historically and traditionally presented finances and budgets here in the House and to Canadians. It is going to use an asset-based, or capital, budget versus an operational one, which is the way it has traditionally been presented.

We know that figures do not lie, but we also know that liars know how to figure. I am wondering if this is an attempt to mislead Canadians as to what our country is really up to.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, I can certainly tell the hon. member that I know what a deficit is, and Canada has the lowest one in the G7. On debt, we have the lowest net debt-to-GDP ratio in the G7.

There is still more work to do. The government is serious about making sure that we can tackle this and that we are going to have a fiscal track that will be sustainable over time. Frankly, that is going to mean some tough choices, but the government was elected to put that position forward.

The member talked about how we are going through our budgeting process. I compliment the Minister of Finance for going on a fall budget cycle, which will allow us to meet construction time. The member opposite runs a construction business. I think he would appreciate knowing the programs and investments that would be in place. It would allow for a construction season when those businesses could take advantage of them. The public accounts will still be reported the same, but we are going to separate the capital, long-term investments from operation.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:05 a.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, we are having some great discussions today. I have a rather fundamental question for my colleague.

The Liberal Party is saying that it is there for the middle class, that it wants to defend the most vulnerable, that it wants to help the poorest members of our society increase their purchasing power and that it wants to put money back in their pockets.

What does my colleague think about the government taking $83 billion from Quebec and Canadian taxpayers to subsidize big oil companies, whose owners are likely among the richest people in the world?

Is that his idea of giving more money to the poorest and most vulnerable members of our society?

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, the natural resource sector, in all of Canada, helps to drive the revenues that matter for public spending for provincial and territorial governments across the country. The hon. member knows that Quebec is a recipient under the equalization formula. Frankly, we have natural resources, whether it is in western Canada or Newfoundland's offshore. This matters for the whole country, and we should take great pride in it. I know the member sits as a member of a sovereignist party, but within the federation, this is important for all Canadians to understand.

Also, I want to put on the record that I have heard members from the Bloc talking about the fact that they will not support the budget because they do not think it is fiscally sustainable, yet at the same time, they are asking for more spending, particularly, for example, Canada Post, which is a corporation that is losing $10 million a day. They are suggesting that no change should happen there, but then they will not support the budget because they are suggesting that the government is not being fiscally responsible. What is it?

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, what I found most interesting during the member's discussion was when he was talking about the Canada child benefit, and the member for Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek started suggesting that it was Conservatives who brought in that program. Of course, Conservatives would love to go home to tell everybody that it was their program, but in reality, what the Conservatives created was the universal child care benefit.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 a.m.

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Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, they are applauding it, but people should know that that program gave the exact same amount of money to every Canadian who had a child, which meant that, if a person was a millionaire, they were getting that money as well for their children. Of course, Conservatives would never want to have a program through which they were not able to give millionaires cheques.

I wonder if the member can highlight the importance between the two programs.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, the Canada child benefit is perhaps one of the strongest legacies of the last government. It is a policy that will make a difference for generations to come.

As the chief government whip highlighted, the difference is that the Canada child benefit is actually income tailored, so there is a cut-off. Individuals who are making millions of dollars do not need $100 a month from the government to be able to support their children. For lower- and middle-income individuals across the country, including those in Kings—Hants, the government has tailored that policy. It was a key change from the Conservative policy and platform. We have also augmented the amount that goes out to families.

I can tell the member that families in Kings—Hants understand and know the difference between the Canada child benefit and what the Conservatives had on offer in a previous government.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 a.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, I will be sharing my time with my colleague from Marc-Aurèle-Fortin.

First, I would like to go back to the discussions we just had. Quebec receives equalization payments. We always forget that when a Quebecker buys gas that comes from Alberta, Alberta receives royalties from the oil companies. At some point, we need to set aside the myth surrounding equalization payments and acknowledge that subsidizing the oil industry not only exacerbates the climate crisis, it financially benefits people who are already raking in record profits.

We have repeatedly heard our government colleagues celebrate the low inflation rates Canada has had in recent months. Incidentally, this supposed return to normal last August, when inflation sat at roughly 1.9%, enabled the Bank of Canada to lower its key interest rate to 2.5%. Let us take a moment to think about that.

We on this side of the House quickly realized that when the Liberals brag about Canada's low inflation, they are actually celebrating low growth. There is a bit of bad news buried in what may seem like good news. Prices have stopped rising excessively only because they are already far too high. The fact is, this stagnation shows how little spending power Quebec and Canadian families have right now. In other words, it means our constituents do not have enough money in their pockets.

The numbers speak for themselves. With almost zero growth, or just 1%, the GDP per capita will go down this year, and probably next year, too. The government can say what it wants. While Canada is not technically in a recession, the people certainly feel like they are in one. It is not complicated. Prices that are already too high are staying that way, and although they have stopped skyrocketing, people are getting poorer.

Even worse, the steepest rise has been in the price of basic necessities, particularly the cost of rent and food. All across Quebec and Canada, household debt levels have skyrocketed. Unfortunately, the lowest income earners are the hardest hit.

As we know, the federal government is bloated, inflexible, costly, and often dysfunctional, and that is because it is out of touch with the reality of families, workers and communities. All too often, the federal government creates poorly designed programs that miss the mark. In its desire to standardize and centralize everything, the federal government forgets that each region has its own needs, its own unique features and its own priorities. The result: instead of solving problems, Ottawa's involvement nearly always makes them worse. Recent examples are self-explanatory and speak clearly to the situation we are in today.

This was notably the case with the international student file during the last session, when the Minister of Immigration at the time restricted access to post-graduate work permits for students who completed certain programs. At the same time, the federal government announced an across-the-board measure to address challenges specific to Ontario. This was a red flag for many stakeholders, who said that this change could adversely impact them, and that parts of Quebec, in particular, might suffer.

What this decision confirmed was that, as usual, before implementing these measures, the minister and his colleagues did not consult anyone directly involved on the ground or the institutions that were going to be impacted by the measures. For Liberals, the word “consultation” usually seems to mean hiring more consultants. They forget to consult the actual stakeholders, the ones who are on the ground and who are affected by all these measures.

Turning back to the matter of international students, it soon became clear that the citizenship and immigration minister's response was totally improvised. Worse still is the fact that the federal government did not even seem to know what was going on. I observed this myself in committee: The officials present were not familiar with Quebec's education system and its differences. The answers I received in committee were mind-blowing. The officials were unable to tell me what a CEGEP is. This is quite astonishing. People wonder why we want to make Quebec its own country. This was a blatant example of the lack of understanding of Quebec's unique differences that exists in the rest of Canada.

That is unfortunate, because too many of this government's decisions over the past few years have sent that same signal. It was then as it is now. The government still has no coherent plan.

Let us return to today's topic. The Bloc Québécois does not agree with every statement in the Conservative Party's motion, but we will vote in favour of it anyway. The federal government's mismanagement and the recurring deficits it is generating are a serious problem that we need to find solutions for.

The entire preamble of the Conservative motion is true. People are experiencing high levels of financial anxiety, and middle-income households are suffering the most. It is also true that inflation is currently under control and has dropped below 2%, which led the Bank of Canada to lower its interest rates by 25 basis points last week.

However, it would be false to say that the families everyone here represents are better off financially. That picture is misleading. Families' two most basic expenses, housing and food, are far too high.

We absolutely have to protect the most vulnerable people. The lower a person's income, the greater the proportion of that income they have to spend on food. It is basic math.

Meanwhile, here are two examples of transfers to individuals that would help the most vulnerable people cope with rising food prices, for which the federal government is to blame. First is employment insurance. The reform we have been waiting for, which has been promised since 2015, is still not on the table. This would make a big difference, especially in the current economic climate. We also have old age security, of course. Pensioners and seniors, the people who built the society we have today, are in a tough spot. These seniors are now facing very challenging situations, and that is unacceptable. Each and every one of us has a duty to fix this. This issue should be above partisanship, as the majority of federal members who supported the previous bill introduced by my colleague from Shefford understood.

Earlier, I heard the Liberal member say that that the Bloc Québécois wanted more spending. We we are proposing is targeted spending. Liberal members voted for the bill introduced by the member for Shefford to increase OAS for seniors aged 65 to 74 to address this inequity. They did that. What I heard earlier is that they were going back on their word. Once again, they are failing the most vulnerable people and that is unacceptable.

What is also unacceptable is the $83 billion in oil subsidies that I mentioned earlier. We have to stop that. This industry does not need money. It is making record profits and, moreover, it is contributing to the climate crisis in a very negative way. That also costs taxpayers money. Meanwhile, the government is going to build a pipeline that will cost a fortune, which cost 10 times more than it was supposed to. The private sector did not even want to build it. Given its spending and current fiscal management, this country is heading straight for a wall.

The member for Shefford also had a great proposal that would allow pensioners who wish to re-enter the workforce to be less impacted at tax time. This is targeted spending but, ultimately, it is actual investment that helps retired people make more money and put more food on their own tables. This would also be good for their mental health and physical health. It would help businesses and facilitate the transfer of expertise from this generation to a younger generation entering the workforce.

There are plenty of things that can be done to save money, but subsidizing the oil industry at the expense of the seniors and retirees who built the society we live in is certainly not one of them. We will gladly vote with the Conservatives, because the current government is doing a very poor job of managing public finances. The way it is acting right now is intolerable.

I get the impression that the Liberals are forgetting that it was the public that decided to give them a minority. At some point, they are going to have to get that into their heads.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:20 a.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, in recent months, we have seen a cozying up in the relationship between the Conservatives and the Bloc. The fact that the Bloc is voting with the Conservatives does not necessarily surprise me, but it does disappoint me.

The member made reference to disposable income. We have a new government and a new Prime Minister who provided significant tax breaks to Canadians in every region. Some 22 million Canadians will benefit from them. We saw the cancellation of the carbon tax, which provides more disposable income for Canadians.

I am wondering if my friend could explain to the people of Quebec, and all Canadians, how the Bloc has already decided to vote against the federal budget despite not having seen it.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:20 a.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, I was ready to faint just then. It is a good thing I was sitting down. I have been here for six years, and I have lost track of the number of times that that member has worked himself into a frenzy telling the Conservatives how important the carbon tax was, how fundamental it was, and how this government policy was one of the greenest in the world. However, he just stood up and told me that the Liberals did a very good thing by getting rid of the carbon tax.

Let us take a look at the blues together. That member has made about 14,000 speeches defending the carbon tax. He just stood up, looked me in the eye and said that getting rid of the carbon tax was a good thing in the end.

I do not want anyone to tell me that we vote for the Conservatives or with the Liberals. We vote for what is good for Quebec and against what is not good for Quebec.

Opposition Motion—Cost of DeficitsBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

October 9th, 2025 / 11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Mr. Speaker, today is one of those days when the Conservatives oddly agree with the Bloc. I do not think Canadians give the Liberals credit at all for cutting the carbon tax. It was an entirely Conservative idea.

I agree with the member when he is completely incredulous at the hypocrisy, double standard or complete turn on a dime. Today, we have some sort of odd agreement. I wonder what his comments are on that.