House of Commons Hansard #51 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was fish.

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Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives attack the government's costly budget, highlighting a record deficit and increased national debt interest payments over health transfers. They demand axing the industrial carbon tax, which they link to rising food prices and housing costs. They also criticize the government's fiscal anchor and urge invoking the notwithstanding clause regarding child abuse material sentences.
The Liberals emphasize Canada's strong fiscal position and lowest net debt in the G7, framing their budget as generational investments for economic growth. They highlight efforts to enhance affordability, build affordable housing, create jobs for young people, and invest in defence and clean electricity. They also plan new legislation to combat child exploitation.
The Bloc slams the government's $78-billion deficit, accusing them of calling expenditures assets while funding oil companies. They criticize the budget's conservative priorities, claiming it neglects Quebec's needs for health and housing.
The Green Party urges the government to be flexible and make changes to the budget before the vote.

National Framework on Sports Betting Advertising Act First reading of Bill S-211. The bill creates a national framework to limit sports betting advertising. It aims to reduce promotion to youth and vulnerable groups, addressing concerns about the abundance of ads overshadowing sports and protecting Canadian families. 200 words.

Petitions

Budget Documents Distributed to Members Gabriel Ste-Marie raises a question of privilege regarding incomplete paper budget documents distributed to MPs, arguing it violates their right to full information and impedes their ability to perform parliamentary duties. 800 words.

Financial Statement of Minister of Finance Members debate the government's budgetary policy, with the Leader of the Opposition criticizing the increased national debt, rising cost of living, and the industrial carbon tax. The Bloc Québécois calls the budget a "sham" for ignoring Quebec's needs and climate action, while Liberals defend it as a transformative investment in economic growth, social programs, and infrastructure. 14400 words, 2 hours.

Fisheries Act Second reading of Bill C-237. The bill seeks to amend the Fisheries Act to harmonize recreational groundfish fishing periods across Atlantic Canada and Quebec and to create a monitoring system for catches. The Conservative sponsor argues the bill would allow Newfoundlanders and Labradorians to fish seven days a week, like other Atlantic provinces, and would encourage better enforcement to eliminate illegal fishing. Liberal and Bloc members express concerns about the bill's potential impact on commercial fisheries, its shift from stock-based to species-based management, and the possibility of new costs or fees for recreational fishers. Bill C-237 8700 words, 1 hour.

Adjournment Debates

Fuel regulations and carbon tax Cheryl Gallant argues that Liberal fuel regulations and the carbon tax increase costs for Canadians, especially those with lower incomes. Wade Grant defends the government's climate policies as investments in a clean economy, ensuring competitiveness and attracting global investment. Gallant accuses the Liberals of ignoring the financial burden on Canadians.
Fentanyl use near schools Dan Mazier asks if Maggie Chi believes fentanyl should be smoked beside schools and daycares. Chi says provinces decide on safe consumption sites, requiring community engagement. Mazier accuses the Liberals of endangering children, while Chi stresses compassion, collaboration, and community consultation in addressing the overdose crisis.
Nunavut hunters and trappers organizations Lori Idlout questions whether the government is adequately funding Nunavut's hunters and trappers organizations, given their legal obligations and the level of funding relative to resource extraction. Brendan Hanley cites increased funding in the renewed Nunavut agreement, although Idlout argues it is still not enough.
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4:30 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Speaker, it is so rare to have this opportunity. The leader of the official opposition gave a sufficiently long speech that the questions got around to me. I want to thank him for that from the bottom of my heart. I do want to say that I will probably be voting the same way that he will be on the budget unless changes are made.

I wanted to ask a question, because I know that he is a reader and he thinks about issues. I am fascinated by the fact that the Prime Minister appears to be taking his main policy advice from a book called Abundance. I am sure he has heard of it. It is big bestseller by Ezra Klein, New York Times columnist. His thesis, and the entire book Abundance, comes to this, which sounds like a Conservative speech in Canada but for one thing. The whole book is about the United States. The basic thesis of Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson's book is that one cannot build anything in the United States. There are just too many regulations and too much red tape. Nothing gets built in the United States. The book is not about Canada.

I am fascinated by the fact that this popular book, which is particularly popular with some folks, such as the Prime Minister, is leading us astray in what it really takes to incentivize investment in Canada.

I wonder if the hon. leader of the official opposition has had a chance to have a look at why one cannot build anything in the United States, despite MAGA and all of Trump's efforts.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, first of all, I have to say that this is the first time that anyone on that side of the House of Commons has congratulated me for speaking for a really long time. I did not expect that.

Second, I have not read the book Abundance, but frankly, the member opposite says that one cannot build anything in the United States. The economy there is actually growing. The most recent quarter was up 3.4%. In fact, the budget, published by the government, showed that, if productivity gains had been the same in Canada as they had been in the United States from 2017 to 2023, the average Canadian family would be $11,000 richer today.

Why are we not more productive, even though we have the best workers in the world? It is because our economy is starved of investment. We have the lowest investment per capita in the G7. The worker in Canada gets $15,000 of investment. The American worker gets $28,000.

We need to unlock the massive power of free enterprise if we want to change that, to the benefit of the worker and the entrepreneur here in Canada.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, to show some contrast between the Conservatives and the Liberals, let me highlight the fact that the leader of the Conservative Party made reference to the national school food program. We have had members of his own caucus who have said that it is an absolutely garbage program, which is so disrespectful. Since I have been a parliamentarian, I have heard about, and this is for over three decades now, the need to have all children be fed in schools, because children cannot learn on an empty stomach, yet the Conservative Party is saying no to that.

Would the hon. member not agree with Joe Clark, when Joe Clark said that he never left the party, that the party left him and that they are so far to the right? That is what we have seen with the Conservative Party today.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, since the Liberals brought in this program, the number of kids relying on food banks has doubled, to 700,000. By the way, according to their own government data, 90% do not get any meals at all from this program. It is not clear what happens with the remaining 10%.

The member uses the term “garbage”. There is a Facebook page called the “Dumpster Diving Network” with Canadians who share tips on how they can literally jump into dumpsters and pull out a meal because they cannot afford groceries after 10 years of the government. That is the garbage policy we were referring to.

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Conservative

Alex Ruff Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Madam Speaker, my question for the hon. Leader of the Opposition is on the concerns that I have about this budget—

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

Order. Can I ask the hon. chief government whip to let the hon. member for Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound ask a question?

The hon. member.

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Conservative

Alex Ruff Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Madam Speaker, my question for the hon. Leader of the Opposition is about the future and youth.

I have a 12-year-old daughter and I know the hon. Leader of the Opposition has young children, and I am scared of the state our nation will be in in future years with the incredibly large deficits and the national debt that the Liberal government is putting on to our future generations.

I would like the hon. Leader of the Opposition to comment on the impact that this is going to have not only on his children and my daughter, but on youth around the country. What else is he hearing from young people from across Canada with respect to the state of the country?

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, that is a great and very important question, and I thank the member for serving in the Canadian Armed Forces in a very distinguished way.

He indeed is a proud father, as am I, and we both worry about our kids and what future they will have in this country. A third of Canadian youth believe they might have to leave this country because they cannot afford to live here. That is an astonishing statistic. After housing costs have doubled, we now have by far the most expensive housing in the G7, which is insane because we have the most land to build on.

My message to Canadian youth is that they do not have to live this way. It does not have to be like this. We can do better. We can bring them a life of opportunity and freedom. I look forward to that opportunity.

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Bloc

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Madam Speaker, I am somewhat surprised by the leader of the official opposition's reaction to the budget.

The tax cuts should make him happy. There is also talk of extending funding for oil companies and abolishing emissions caps in the oil and gas sector. The budget talks about amending the clean electricity regulations, most likely to weaken them, and the same goes for fossil fuel regulations.

There is no longer any mention of the Paris Agreement or short-term targets, even. The fight against climate change has been sidelined. It has reached the point where one Conservative member of Parliament thought the budget was so good that he decided to join the government.

It makes me wonder whether the leader of the official opposition feels like crossing the floor, considering how the government—

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

I must interrupt the member to give the hon. Leader of the Opposition an opportunity to give a brief response.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, we are indeed going to cross the floor after the election. We are all going to do it.

We are responsible when it comes to money. The idea of an $80‑billion deficit that is going to increase the cost of living and inflation on the backs of Canadians, including Quebeckers, is unacceptable. That is why we cannot support this costly budget.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, Carbon Pricing; the hon. member for Riding Mountain, Mental Health and Addictions; the hon. member for Nunavut, Indigenous Affairs.

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Bloc

Yves-François Blanchet Bloc Beloeil—Chambly, QC

Madam Speaker, I would like to repeat a word I used yesterday that surprised a few people. It is important to consider what words really mean. In my view, the budget is a sham because it makes claims that are not based on facts, accounting rules or even the content of the budget speech itself. There are some gaps, without any explanations. Some things are added on one page, only to be subtracted on another, bringing the initial figure back to zero. In short, it is a mess worthy of "the place that sends you mad", where even Asterix nearly lost his mind.

I would also like to underscore the extreme arrogance that is reflected not only in the way the budget exercise was conducted, but also in the way a number of people in this Parliament are behaving. The Liberals have been in power for 10 years now. Unfortunately, as history has shown, the Liberals seem to believe that power belongs to them and them alone. They are now fantasizing about convincing stray sheep to come over to their side and create a majority, which would not reflect the will of the people.

What are the issues? What was all over the news during the election campaign in early 2025? No one can tell me it was not tariffs. The all-powerful Prime Minister told us that he was quickly going to make these tariffs disappear. That would have been only natural, since tariffs meant to intimidate have no place between allies, partners and friends like the United States and Canada are supposed to be, and that includes Quebec, whether we like it or not. However, because of some somewhat clumsy flip-flopping, our relationship with the United States is not improving. The tariffs that the Prime Minister was going to sweep away with a wave of his hand, those on cars, trucks, the forestry industry, steel, aluminum, and so on, have actually increased.

The other issue was trade. The Liberals promised that trade talks would resume quickly, culminating in a new free trade agreement in 2026, similar the last one, according to the Prime Minister. To say that the effort was not a success is putting it mildly.

The third issue that inevitably comes with a budget is governance. We are being served up a disgraceful accounting exercise. Thankfully, people and pundits understand that the government cannot insert a column of investments in the federal budget and hope to treat them as assets when they are simply expenses. The Prime Minister must know this. Anyone with a basic understanding of accounting and public finance has to know this. It is clearly a sham.

The government is dropping its elbows, and tariffs are going up. There are no trade negotiations under way, no matter what the ministers may say. This is an austerity budget with a dramatic increase in spending. That takes some doing. There is a dramatic increase in spending, but only a minuscule portion of that will be used to adapt to the tariff and trade crisis. It is in no way proportional to the deficit, which is nearly $80 billion. Moreover, Liberal governments have gotten us used to year-end deficits that are larger than those announced at the beginning of the year.

When we look at the budget, it seems to us that the Prime Minister and the government are acting like compulsive gamblers. Not only have they over-committed themselves to a series of failures that are dangerous for the economy, but they are also playing double or nothing. They are investing more public money in every way imaginable—the classic Liberal approach to running up a deficit—to see whether they will be able to get out of the situation, if not economically, then at least politically. Time will tell.

Is there anything in this budget for the Quebec nation, which the government is ignorant of and perpetually ignores? The government is ignorant of the Quebec nation in that it does not know anything about it. There is no evidence that this government cares at all about the Quebec nation. The government ignores the Quebec nation in the sense that it does not take Quebec into account in its political decisions. As has been the case for the past six months, we are again seeing that the decisions that are being made to adapt to the crisis with the United States favour Ontario, western Canada, and Canada's big banks and oil companies, not Quebec, and Quebeckers, especially young Quebeckers, do identify with any of this.

Let us review the list. We have already talked about this, because it was one of our demands. We asked for an annual increase in health transfers of 6%, rather than 5%. This would have allowed the inevitable and unavoidable increase in spending in Quebec's health care system to keep pace with the increase in available resources.

Now, we know that, year after year, with a return to 3% in 2028, Quebec taxpayers will have to spend an increasing percentage of the Quebec government's budget on health care or pay higher taxes. This is a gift from the federal government, which is keeping the money for the oil companies.

As for pensions, we have been talking about them for years. There comes a point where pensions are a matter of principle, morality, ethics or responsibility. It is about taking care of our people. It is about doing right by people who worked all their lives, who live on limited incomes and have the misfortune of being between the ages of 65 and 74, meaning they receive 10% less in OAS benefits than people 75 and over. The organizations that represent these people, people under 75 and over 75 alike, all agree with us that such discrimination is unacceptable. To top it off, the government is literally letting these people's purchasing power dwindle, ignoring the fact that maintaining the purchasing power of people who spend what money they have right away is a practical way to adapt to a crisis, especially if a recession were to occur.

Let us talk about home ownership. The government came up with a program that was called Build Canada Homes. Former Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation programs were put under that agency. From that point, things become murky. It is no longer clear who does what, and we see no real distinction in the budget in terms of how Quebec is treated, so there is a hint of interference, that good old Liberal habit. It is as though they were saying: we have the money, Quebec does not. Our fridge is full while Quebec starves. If Quebec wants money for its projects, legitimate projects supported by its citizens who, incidentally, pay their taxes to Ottawa, then it will literally have to give up some of its powers.

I want all those fine people across the way to know that building a house does not mean that young families can afford to buy it. There is nothing in all this that will give young people the ability to save the exorbitant amount needed to make a down payment on their first home. We proposed favourable terms under which young households could access government-backed credit or government loans.

I encourage members to talk to young families, to leave the comfort of their bubble and go see ordinary people. These are real young people with jobs, some of whom are in a couple where both people work, and they tell us that they will never be able to buy a home. We had an opportunity to finally provide resources to these people, who would have used them, thus helping to grow the economy. However, the answer was no. We were simply told no. I think young people will remember that.

There is nothing in the budget for forestry except credit support. Forestry companies cannot add interest costs to their expenses in such a crippling economic situation. In fact, solutions do exist, including those proposed by both the sector and the Bloc Québécois, that would address the core problem of the forestry sector's competitiveness at no cost to the government. I want to say that it is still not too late to do the right thing. We would have appreciated a sign. I imagine that the forestry sector would also have appreciated one.

Then there is the $800-million reimbursement of a tax that was never collected. There are a lot of dimensions to this issue. Since the government is a mix of red and blue, we will call it purple. Every time this purple government talks about carbon pricing in its budget, it is referring to the controversial carbon tax. Carbon pricing, which is an essential tool for fighting climate change, is officially becoming controversial. Carbon pricing has become the scourge of public finances. However, carbon pricing recognizes that carbon emissions have an environmental impact and generate astronomical costs, which will ultimately be borne by the same young people denied the opportunity to buy a house.

Of the $4-billion carbon tax reimbursement that the government paid to Canadians a week before the election, Quebec received not one penny. Quebeckers paid the tax, but received no reimbursement from the government at all, because the money was not spent by families. It was a flagrant election giveaway that was taken out of the pockets of Quebeckers and put into those of Canadians. This bears repeating because it is still as unacceptable as ever.

There is no hiding the fact that there is no money in the budget for fighting climate change. There is no denying that it is being ignored. Not so long ago, under the previous boss, this government talked about climate change and did nothing about it. I guess now that they have already backed down, they have decided to take one more step back and not mention it at all and just pretend that climate change no longer exists. There must be some people on the other side of the House whose conscience is telling them to hide under their desk, because what is happening with respect to the climate is shameful. This is going to catch up with the government when it snaps out of its denial phase.

We can talk about the end of EV initiatives, the end of the planned extension of funds that were going to total $83 billion before 2025 and were extended to exceed $100 billion in 2030, the end of the carbon tax and the $800 million that goes along with it, and the end of the emissions cap. I have a whole list. The member for Repentigny has generously provided us with many examples of what this budget contains in terms of the climate.

It seems to me that the government has abandoned a principle that I have not heard about in a long time. I believe this will resonate with people. If the government were to talk to the people of Quebec and ask them whether polluters should pay, I think the vast majority of people would say yes, that it is basic logic, common sense. The polluter pays principle is an expression that has not been used for a long time, and I want to bring it back.

The polluter pays principle means understanding that Ottawa cannot take money from Quebeckers and send it to oil companies. If that happens, the polluter no longer pays: the polluter gets paid, the polluter gets encouraged, the polluter gets rewarded, the polluter gets a boost, the polluter goes unpunished. Quebec, which has clean and renewable energy, is literally subsidizing polluting energy from western Canada. I do not have time to go into it now, but I will come back to the claims the western provinces make about equalization. Quebec gives more money to western Canada in oil subsidies than it gets in return.

Let us talk about asylum seekers. Quebec requested $700 million because it takes in and is currently hosting twice as many asylum seekers as the Canadian average. Yes, twice as many. By refusing to provide this money to Quebec, which delivers services to these people, the Government of Canada is telling the Government of Quebec to pay twice its share to welcome people arriving in distress from other countries and asking Quebec and Canada for help as they settle in. The Government of Canada is telling the Government of Quebec not to expect to get anything back.

The deficit is a popular topic of conversation. The deficit is not $33 billion plus investments; it is $70 billion. The accounting process they used is an embarrassment. This has been discussed before. It is no different than if I walked into my bank and told the bank manager that I wanted to take out a mortgage and then offered up my debts as collateral. It makes no sense, yet that is how the people of Quebec are being treated. As I said before, this is a sham.

For infrastructure, the Liberals are investing $115 billion over five years. This may sound like good news, but only a small portion of that amount will be used to help companies adapt to the tariff crisis. There is almost nothing for the Liberals' major projects. There is money for defence, tax cuts and the good old Liberal deficit, but at an all-time high.

We are talking about the need to adapt in the negotiations with the Americans, who are not being very nice to us. Let us not forget that the Canadian government wants to revive Keystone XL, which will take western oil and send it to the United States. They call that market diversification? Also, the government just gave Ontario $2 billion to buy modular nuclear reactors made in the United States that can process only American uranium. So much for diversification.

Incidentally, I invite everyone to have a look at the beautiful ship on the cover of budget document. The ship is named Arvik I and was built in Japan. That is rather interesting. It illustrates this government's judgment.

Now I am going to talk about austerity. Tens of thousands of jobs are at risk through attrition. That means fewer people doing the same work. The most experienced people leave, and the least experienced people stay on and have to do more work. In the meantime, the Department of Citizenship and Immigration is incapable of doing its job, and the Canada Revenue Agency is not doing its job either. If the government at least tried to cut out overlap or encroachment on Quebec's jurisdictions, it could save a lot of money, but no, the Liberal government is far too committed to its interfering ways.

Cuts to the public service are popular. It is trendy. However, making cuts the wrong way can sometimes be irresponsible. I have already mentioned that the austerity in this budget is being used to fund support for the oil industry. Oil does not serve Quebec and is damaging the planet. We are going to pay while the Prime Minister watches water levels rise because of climate change. He will have retired and will be sitting on his boat, not even realizing what is happening. As the water rises due to climate change, he will rise too. This image is a simple illustration of the total indifference these people feel toward the reality of all the people around the world who are suffering because of climate change.

There are positives, and I will mention them, because people are always saying that we do not talk about the good things. I want to mention some related regional projects where there is a collaborative effort. We have asked for support for these projects. There is the Exploramer museum's shark pavilion. There is the Espace Hubert-Reeves in Charlevoix. There is the Îles-de-la-Madeleine airport runway extension, which will enable the people of the Magdalen Islands to export as far as Ontario, which is a large market for them. There is the Forillon shipyard.

There is the ongoing interest in the Port of Saguenay. There are also the measures we suggested to tackle the Driver Inc. issue. That comes directly from the Bloc Québécois. There is the removal of the luxury tax on business aircraft and the removal of the GST on first homes, and there is money for culture. There are some good things, but overall, it remains an extremely risky and dangerous budget.

I will go straight to the conclusion to say—

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

I have to interrupt the hon. member to ask him not to bang his desk with his papers because that can interfere with the work of the interpreters.

I thank the hon. member.

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Bloc

Yves-François Blanchet Bloc Beloeil—Chambly, QC

Madam Speaker, the government wants to promote major projects to us. I believe that Quebeckers should be promoting their own major project. That project is, of course, an independent Quebec. That is the project that deserves our vote. It will be called the country of Quebec. That will be our sole identity.

However, I would like to table the following amendment:

That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“the House reject the government's budget statement, which will hurt Quebec because it fails to:

(a) raise the Canadian health transfer escalator to 6%;

(b) end discrimination against people aged 65 to 74 who did not receive an equitable increase in Old Age Security;

(c) repay the $814 million to Quebeckers who were not compensated for the end of carbon pricing in April 2025; and

(d) propose concrete and effective measures to combat climate change”.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

The amendment is in order.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, I must say I am a bit disappointed. When I think of Quebec, there would be many gains through this budget. We can look at the expansion through capital projects and the expansion, in terms of the GDP, in our military and industries like the aerospace industry in Quebec. The member made reference to expansion at airports.

There are all sorts of opportunities in this budget for Quebec, and if the members truly represent the interests of Quebec, I do not quite understand why they would not see the value of how this budget would provide so much stimulus for the province, whether it is hydro development, all sorts of opportunities in its manufacturing industries, working with the government.

I do not quite understand why they would vote en masse against the budget.

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Bloc

Yves-François Blanchet Bloc Beloeil—Chambly, QC

Madam Speaker, I could almost hear music in the background. It was so beautiful and uplifting.

If the member had liked my speech and was not disappointed, I would have been worried, because we certainly cannot agree on that.

On the other hand, it seems to me that everyone knows that it is a tired old process that makes no sense. I think even Abraham used it. The government is saying that it is going to give us all kinds of terrible things that we do not want, but it is going to throw in a candy cane as a treat. Then it will ask us why we are not accepting the whole package together with the candy cane.

The government seems to think people are stupid.

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Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Madam Speaker, I have admired the hon. member's oratory skills for many years, so it is a real delight to get to ask him this question now. One part of his speech that I admired most was his defence of provincial jurisdiction. I think it is important that the people who would be most affected by a policy be the ones who design it, so then I was surprised when he said that he thinks the national carbon tax was critical for fighting climate change.

Does he not find that a bit contradictory with what is otherwise his defence of provincial jurisdiction? Would he maybe provide some comments on the fact that in the United States, carbon emissions per capita have gone down by a greater percentage over the last 10 years that the Liberals have been talking about the carbon tax?

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Bloc

Yves-François Blanchet Bloc Beloeil—Chambly, QC

Madam Speaker, defending Quebec's jurisdiction over the fight against climate change is very important to the Bloc Québécois, to Quebec and to me personally.

The purpose of carbon pricing is not to raise money; it is to encourage companies to improve their practices and develop their technologies, and many are doing just that. I was the one who negotiated the cap-and-trade system for carbon emissions, which links Quebec with California, creating a huge market on the North American continent. This system is in place, it is still working and, thankfully, it is out of the Liberals' reach. They cannot simply decide to cancel or block it just to please the Conservatives.

I am still hearing denial, but it is impossible for Quebec, Canada or the planet to continue with development while denying the existence of climate change caused by carbon emissions and while failing to admit that the effects are costly and catastrophic.

To allow the Conservatives to keep their vision and the Bloc Québécois to keep its vision, we could move this debate to another forum. It could take place on the international stage between an independent Quebec and Canada.

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Bloc

Yves Perron Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Madam Speaker, I would like the leader of the Bloc Québécois to tell us more about the rhetoric we heard this week. The government constantly claimed that it would be the fault of the nasty opposition parties if an election were to be triggered following a consultation process that was, let us face it, rather dubious and practically non-existent.

I would like to hear his thoughts on that.

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Bloc

Yves-François Blanchet Bloc Beloeil—Chambly, QC

Madam Speaker, I think the narrative about how we might end up in an election is not particularly credible right now, because the government did not try to reach an agreement with any of the opposition parties on budget measures that would achieve consensus in order to ensure that its budget would pass.

Contrary to what the Minister of Finance said, the Liberals did not get a strong mandate. They got a minority mandate. However, the Liberals are doing something else. It is like they have cast all of us in an episode of House of Cards with the craziest plot twists imaginable, involving schemes to try to convince other members to cross over to their side through the back door. It is embarrassing to watch. I look forward to the break. They will sort out their little issues. Then we will have a vote. Whatever happens, happens. That is called democracy.

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Liberal

Natilien Joseph Liberal Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

Madam Speaker, I am not the one who said that if something is good for Quebec, I will vote for it; it was the leader of the Bloc Québécois who said that.

Four hundred thousand children in our schools are going to receive meals, and $25 billion is going to be invested in housing.

Will the leader of the Bloc Québécois finally put his ego to one side and vote in favour of the budget for Quebec?

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Bloc

Yves-François Blanchet Bloc Beloeil—Chambly, QC

Madam Speaker, I almost want to wait and answer tomorrow so that I can search for an intelligent answer tonight on Instagram, but I will answer now by saying that when the bad outweighs the good, we vote against it.

When a party has 22 members in a Parliament with 343 members, the vast majority of whom hate the idea of independence, having at least one person with an ego is a good thing.