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House of Commons Hansard #16 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was economy.

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Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned Members debate the government's motion to limit debate on Bill C-5, which the Liberals state will accelerate major projects and reduce trade barriers, fulfilling an election promise. Opposition parties protest the use of closure, arguing the bill is rushed, lacks consultation, and could weaken environmental laws and fail to address existing project barriers. 4400 words, 30 minutes.

Consideration of Government Business No. 1 Members debate Bill C-5, aimed at establishing one Canadian economy by removing federal interprovincial trade barriers and facilitating major national projects. Liberals argue it boosts economic resilience and Indigenous participation. Conservatives criticize it as a missed opportunity that doesn't fix root issues like Bill C-69, allows the government to pick winners and losers, and grants sweeping powers. Concerns are raised about insufficient consultation and limiting debate via closure. 15000 words, 2 hours.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize Liberal anti-energy laws preventing resource development for allies. They demand $64 million paid to GC Strategies be returned, alleging corruption and lack of oversight. They attack the Housing Minister over his real estate fortune and argue Liberal programs fail as housing starts are down. They also highlight rising extortion rates and call for tougher measures.
The Liberals focus on passing the One Canadian Economy Act to get the economy moving and build projects while respecting Indigenous rights. They defend their actions against GC Strategies to protect procurement integrity, highlight efforts to increase housing starts, and address extortion and organized crime. They also promote national pride with discovery passes.
The Bloc criticize the Liberal government's Bill C-5 and the use of closure to force through energy projects and pipelines on Quebec without debate or studies. They argue this creates a Conservative-Liberal coalition favouring oil companies and disrespects Quebeckers and the Quebec National Assembly.
The NDP question food security in the North after a hamlet food voucher program was cancelled and allege Liberals provided disinformation about upholding section 35 rights.

Act to amend the Constitution Act, 1867 First reading of Bill C-210. The bill amends the Constitution Act, 1867 to eliminate the requirement for Members of Parliament to swear an oath to the King, replacing it with an oath of office. 200 words.

Petitions

Government Business No. 1—Proceedings on Bill C-5 Members debate Bill C-5, the one Canadian economy act, which aims to remove federal internal trade barriers and expedite major projects. Liberals argue it reflects an election mandate to build a stronger economy against trade threats. Conservatives support the intent but criticize the bill as a "baby step," lacking transparency, and failing to repeal previous laws like Bill C-69. Bloc members oppose the bill, viewing it as a democratic setback, undermining environmental protection, and centralizing power, particularly objecting to the use of a closure motion. 37100 words, 5 hours.

One Canadian Economy Act Second reading of Bill C-5. The bill aims to boost Canada's economy by eliminating internal trade barriers and streamlining approvals for major infrastructure projects. The Liberal government argues this will deliver free trade in Canada and speed up building. Conservatives support faster projects but question its effectiveness. Bloc Québécois, NDP, and Green Party raise concerns about the bill's impact on provincial autonomy, Indigenous rights, environmental protection, and the democratic process, arguing it grants excessive power and was rushed through without proper consultation, potentially undermining democracy and representing an unprecedented power grab. 16000 words, 3 hours.

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Government Business No. 1—Proceedings on Bill C-5Government Orders

7:30 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for his speech. I must admit, my favourite part was about the meatballs. It went downhill from there.

It is quite simple. I would just like to help my colleague understand that Quebec's interests differ from the interests of the oil and gas companies in Alberta. In the past, we saw that Canada was quick to invest in infrastructure related to the pipelines and the natural gas sector. I can assure my colleague that the government has never wanted to support the forestry sector. What this bill will do, at the end of the day, is facilitate the construction of oil and gas infrastructure to the detriment of Quebec's economy. I wonder if my colleague realizes that.

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7:30 p.m.

Liberal

Abdelhaq Sari Liberal Bourassa, QC

Madam Speaker, I fully appreciate that. Even at the Festival des boulettes, we really want to get people talking. That is how to build a harmonious society, even in politics.

I might add that I come from a municipal background. I was a city councillor in Montreal, where there are sometimes competing interests between boroughs. Progress can be made despite that. When we say that we are one country, we can move forward, not for the sake of the provinces, but for the sake of Canadians. What matters is having jobs here with investors from here. That is what we are trying to do with this bill.

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7:35 p.m.

Conservative

Steven Bonk Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Madam Speaker, anyone who has been involved in private business knows that what we really need to make a project successful is predictability and to know what the rules are. We have seen time and time again that the Liberals move the goalposts halfway through the game. With Bill C-5, they are doing exactly the same thing.

Can the member explain why he thinks this bill is a good idea and why we should not just scrap the bills before it, which caused all these problems in the first place?

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7:35 p.m.

Liberal

Abdelhaq Sari Liberal Bourassa, QC

Madam Speaker, I respect and very much appreciate this extraordinary question.

It is because what has changed is not the rules, but rather the environment. At some point, our government and cabinet need to be bold. We need to focus on leading indicators to be much more proactive. The economic and international environment is changing, and we need to adapt and be agile. We must not govern with the rear-view mirror, as advocated by the Conservatives, who look to the past. On the contrary, we need to review the changes, review the indicators and focus on the road ahead, on the future, especially given the current environment, which is very fluid. We must be much more agile and much more ambitious and bold.

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7:35 p.m.

Liberal

Braedon Clark Liberal Sackville—Bedford—Preston, NS

Madam Speaker, when we talk about energy projects and resource projects, we are a bit too narrow. I hear from the Conservative colleagues quite a bit about oil and gas, which is of course part of the equation, but not all of it. In my home province of Nova Scotia, for example, the premier, with whom I served in the legislature, has talked about the eastern energy partnership, which is a significant wind project of 44 gigawatts. That is 27% of our entire electricity usage.

I wonder if the member could touch a bit on other projects, beyond oil and gas alone, that could be significant and move our country forward.

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7:35 p.m.

Liberal

Abdelhaq Sari Liberal Bourassa, QC

Madam Speaker, in a much more unstable and worrisome environment like this, it is important for every organization, including governments, to diversify their production and their ability to attract investors.

My colleague did a great job of explaining that ability to diversify our natural resources so that Canada is seen as more than just an oil and gas producer. No, Canada truly has a lot of services to offer, especially in Quebec. It is a service provider and an aerospace manufacturer, and we really need to forge ahead with such diversification, not just with one natural resource. Canada is worth a lot more than that.

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7:35 p.m.

Bloc

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

Madam Speaker, if you permit, let us talk about fear. I will quote from the Refus global manifesto, published in 1948: “The reign of fear in all its forms is over.” However, to be quite clear, made-in-Canada fear has always been the only tool of the Ottawa bigwigs and the regime. Today, the bogeyman has a new name: Donald Trump. I am not trying to downplay the genuine tariff threat, but there is also the real-life fairy tale of Canada as the 51st state. We were well aware of the Liberals' total opportunism during the election campaign, which was not surprising in itself. However, we are also aware that fear is now being used as leverage for a new phase of centralization, as per usual, no surprise there. It goes by a different name: Bill C‑5.

Let us take a brief historical detour. Crisis breeds fear. However, Ottawa has always taken advantage of crises to push its unitary agenda and centralize power even further, to the detriment of the provinces and especially to the detriment of the only one among them that aspires to be home to a distinct nation, Quebec. Politics is, of course, about power dynamics, and the government knows how to use favourable circumstances to grow its sprawling apparatus. That is what happened in 1840, when the British took advantage of the crushing of the Patriotes rebellion to force the union of the two Canadas. That is what happened after the two world wars, when income tax, which was supposed to be a temporary measure, became permanent. It has never gone away. That is also what happened after René Lévesque's sovereignty-association option was defeated in 1980, when Pierre Elliott Trudeau and Jean Chrétien seized the opportunity to unilaterally patriate the Canadian Constitution without the agreement of Quebec, removing its right of veto. Quebec is still not a signatory to this day. That is also what happened after the 1995 referendum, when what was known as plan B was rolled out, a manoeuvre involving a fiscal imbalance between Ottawa and the provinces through reduced transfers, mainly for health care and employment insurance, and the use of new budget surpluses to create federal programs that encroached on provincial jurisdictions. That is also what happened during the COVID‑19 health crisis, when the creation of sprawling new structures was announced.

Bill C‑5 is a new form of governance based on arbitrary measures and possibly even cronyism. It was only natural that Ottawa take advantage of this American smokescreen to launch yet another centralizing offensive. Today, the Trump threat is enabling Ottawa to once again pursue the approach of forced unification and attack Quebec's distinct identity, all in the name of the need for “one Canadian economy, not 13”. We should not be swayed by the motion the elected members of Quebec's National Assembly adopted unanimously, the one denouncing this call for unification. That will certainly not be discussed or mentioned in government circles, and the 44 Quebec members in the ruling party shall remain completely silent on the issue, regardless of what the National Assembly would like. Bill C-5 will in all likelihood be passed thanks to a gag order supported by the Liberal-Conservative coalition of proud Canadians, in defiance of any democratic process. A bill with such far-reaching implications deserves to be debated, studied and rigorously analyzed; every detail should be weighed. It should not be fast-tracked like this.

Bill C‑5 is anything but a half measure. As a political plan, I would go so far as to call it radical. It is profound. It creates an arbitrary form of governance potentially based on back-room cronyism that ignores the legal underpinnings that are normally in force in a country governed by the rule of law. We already know that pipelines took over where railroads left off as markers of identity, as a cross-Canada unification measure no less contrived and colonial a construct than Canada itself. However, Bill C‑5 creates an oil monarchy on steroids, with a time allocation motion that both the government and the official opposition will be voting for, which is a rare thing in itself, so much so that we may well wonder whether the Conservatives might be thinking of suing the Liberals for plagiarism.

The Liberals came to power with their T-shirts emblazoned with their one real selling point—the fact that they were not Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives. They then proceeded to serve up a stunning example of how they will ape the Conservatives now that they are in power.

Bill C‑5 establishes an opaque process whereby developers secretly propose projects that will be confidentially reviewed by Ottawa, which will then arbitrarily determine whether they fall within the definition of the national interest, without even clearly indicating the criteria for this concept. All of this remains very vague in the bill.

Once a given project has been deemed to be in the national interest, it may be exempted from environmental impact assessements, from the usual consultations with affected citizens and from respecting the provinces and indigenous peoples.

As soon as the minister responsible for major projects declares that a project is of national interest, it will be pre-approved, provided that it meets the conditions imposed by the approval. After that, the rest is just a formality; there is no turning back. All the consultations and impact assessments that normally take place will be useless. It is a done deal, ciao, bye, because the decision is considered irrevocable. Ultimately, these processes will be nothing more than theatre.

Those projects typically take years to complete. By deciding that a project is in the national interest and must be carried out at all costs, Ottawa is going to tie the hands of future generations.

That is not the end of the bleak picture painted by Bill C‑5. When Ottawa designates a project as being in the national interest, the sponsor can be exempted from any federal law or regulation. The Liberals tried to turn the last election into a referendum on Donald Trump, and now they are trying to institutionalize governance by order, on par with what we are currently seeing in the White House.

Unlike statutory instruments that have to be published in the Canada Gazette for consultation for at least 45 business days before they can come into force, the decision to designate a project as being of national interest is not subject to consultation and can take effect as soon as the order is published. There are no guidelines outlining how the minister will have to assess the project, no criteria for assessing the impact and no deadline for consultations. Using orders in council to decide which law will apply to which entity, depending on the circumstances, is the type of abuse that is about to be established in Liberal-Conservative Canada.

In fact, the schedule to the bill lists 13 acts and seven regulations that proponents will no longer be required to adhere to, as though the oil companies' power exempts them from basic accountability in a country governed by the rule of law. These acts and regulations have been listed several times, but I will list them again: the Fisheries Act; the Indian Act; the International River Improvements Act; the National Capital Act; the Canadian Navigable Waters Act; the Dominion Water Power Act; the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994; the Canada Transportation Act; the Canada Marine Act; the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999; the Species at Risk Act; the Canadian Energy Regulator Act; the Impact Assessment Act; the migratory bird sanctuary regulations; the Dominion water power regulations; the wildlife area regulations; the marine mammal regulations; the port authorities operations regulations; the metal and diamond mining effluent regulations; and the migratory birds regulations.

It goes even further, beyond the acts and regulations I just mentioned, because proposed section 21 in the bill states that the government may, by order, exempt proponents from the application of any act, not only those I just mentioned. On paper, oil companies could be exempted from the Official Languages Act, the Income Tax Act, the Canada Labour Code and even the Criminal Code. That would set a precedent that is both vague and dangerous. Is a government that can shield its friends from the law not starting to look a lot like what is happening in Washington? This is coming from people who committed to doing things very differently from what is happening in Washington.

It seems that they are in fact building the 51st U.S. state on the quiet, under time allocation, with no regard for the serious studies conducted by parliamentary institutions such as committees, and on the pretext of a bogus emergency.

It should be noted that the Canadian parliamentary system already has a rather poor record when viewed as part of the long history of democracies. In addition to being a monarchy, Canada has a parliamentary system that is not proportional. It allows a government to be formed without having received a majority of the votes. The system also grants veto power to a Senate that is made up of unelected members appointed by the Prime Minister who are free to prevent legislation from being passed even though it has passed all the stages of the House of Commons. There is also a trend towards an increasing concentration of power within the Prime Minister's office and among a few key ministers, but not too many, to the detriment of the institution of Parliament. Bill C-5 is yet another step towards radicalizing this aristocratic form of governance, which is already deeply rooted in Canadian political culture.

On top of that, we are seeing a new phase of predatory and rampant mutation of the system wrongly referred to as federalism. When Bill C-5 was introduced on June 6, the Prime Minister was asked by journalists whether the bill would make way for a pipeline to be built on Quebec territory if Quebec refuses. The Prime Minister said no, since there needs to be a consensus. The Prime Minister's word is good. However, if this were set out in the legislation, that would be even better.

When we read clause 5(7) of the new building Canada act in Bill C-5, it states:

Before recommending that an order be made...the Minister must consult with any other federal minister and any provincial or territorial government that the Minister considers appropriate and with Indigenous peoples whose rights recognized and affirmed by section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982 may be adversely affected by the carrying out of the project to which the order relates.

It says “that the Minister considers”. This means that a minister is free to consult or not consult Quebec, the provinces, first nations or another minister on a project that would be located in Quebec. He can choose to do so, but it is not a requirement. Let us say, for the sake of argument, that the minister says he will pick up the phone and make a call. If that consultation does not yield a positive result, the legislation still allows the minister to proceed. This does not even remotely resemble a veto right, far from it.

Today, the term “oil monarchy” is taking on its full meaning. Canadian oil dependency crosses party lines, as was made clear again today. However, scientists agree that 80% of oil must remain underground if we want to show some modicum of responsibility. What is more, 96% of Canadian oil comes from oil sands, meaning that the portion that does not come from oil sands is marginal. However, the oil sands are among the dirtiest sources of oil in the world.

The focus on exporting such raw materials has a major impact on public policy. Politicians believe that they need to constantly provide infrastructure and adjust environmental and health regulations in order to maintain national competitiveness. We have more proof of that today. The resources dedicated to supporting exports are set to grow indefinitely. It is a never‑ending cycle.

The railway that led to the creation of Canada was supposed to be made profitable by the transportation of commodities. That halted the exploration of new technological avenues. The result was an even greater dependence on raw commodities. There is a consistent, self-reinforcing pattern. The increased reliance on raw material exports will require increased investments in transportation infrastructure. That is money that will not be invested elsewhere in the economy. Is that a wise bet?

Oil shareholders are mainly foreign, since their profit centre is offshore. This shows how ridiculous Canadian oil patriotism is. Despite this, the share of foreign companies investing in Canadian oil has been steadily declining for several years. It generates very little in royalties.

Let us talk about shale oil. This is a particularly poor development opportunity in which Canada appears to be trapped.

One of Canada's biggest disappointments is that, in the global marketplace, in the midst of the great geopolitical struggle around oil, Canada is ultimately a minor player with basically no influence. In any event, it persists in trying to unify around this single basis because, as an artificial country, it needs to have something to build a common identity around.

After its post-national torpor, Canada is now looking to speed up construction from coast to coast to coast to the detriment of Quebec and the first nations. We have seen this movie many times before, and we think it is time for something new. We thank the Liberals and Conservatives for giving us this umpteenth demonstration of why Quebeckers need to have an independent country, a country of their own. We are not short on reasons, but this gives us one more, to add urgency to our argument.

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7:50 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, I truly believe that advancing nation-building projects will make a positive difference for all Canadians, no matter where they live in the country. I suspect that if we take a look at any individual province, there are initiatives that would be beneficial for the national government to take a look at, working with the different stakeholders.

I am wondering if the member opposite could give any indication whatsoever as to what project he believes might be in the national best interest to develop, outside of a separatist perspective.

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7:55 p.m.

Bloc

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

Madam Speaker, the first thing to clarify is that, from the outset, we do not belong to the same nation, so our national interest and national values will not be the same.

There are obviously a lot of projects that are in the national interest of Quebec, and we have never been afraid of doing them. With Hydro-Québec, we built the big dams, and we were able to do it responsibly. In Quebec, there are no projects related to energy sources of the past, polluting energy sources, energy sources that today are condemned by science and by economic and environmental common sense, which seem to be in what we could call the national interest. I cannot think of any.

If my colleague is so convinced that there are projects that would benefit the provinces, if he is so convinced that, of our own free will, we would all be very excited about the prospect of obvious success, why is it necessary to institutionalize arm-twisting?

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7:55 p.m.

Conservative

John Brassard Conservative Barrie South—Innisfil, ON

Madam Speaker, does my colleague agree with me that, with what we saw today at the G7, “pucker up” has replaced “elbows up”?

Throughout the campaign, the Prime Minister incited fear among many Canadians, and I assume many Quebeckers, that the greatest threat that existed was the United States. I would suggest the greatest threat we have seen has existed within this country over the last 10 years because of the economic malaise and because of many of the regulatory and legislative policies the government has imposed.

Would the member not agree with me that this incitement of fear has actually gone from Trump derangement syndrome on the part of the government to Trump appeasement syndrome?

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7:55 p.m.

Bloc

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

Madam Speaker, I have already talked about the Liberals' fearmongering. They campaigned on it, claiming they were the best at standing up to Trump. Now they are aping him by attempting to govern by order and to enshrine the practice in our institutions.

They also campaigned on the claim that their sole qualification and sole value lay in the fact that they were not Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives. Now they are aping him too.

I agree that it was a campaign of fear and that consistency is not the Prime Minister's strong suit, so why are the Conservatives abetting this today?

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7:55 p.m.

Bloc

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Madam Speaker, I sincerely thank my colleague for delivering a very important lesson to prove that Quebeckers and indigenous people are distinct.

I have a feeling that June 16 will be marked as the day the Bloc Québécois said that we told them so. What is also happening in the news is that Donald Trump is leaving the G7 summit tonight, and there seems to be an understanding with Mark Carney that there will be a tariff agreement within 30 days.

During the election campaign, were Quebeckers told the opposite of the truth so that they would support this government? What will the long-term consequences be?

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7:55 p.m.

Bloc

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

Madam Speaker, it may still be too early to judge what will happen.

The content of the agreement remains to be seen. I am very much looking forward to seeing what conditions were discussed, though. I am very much looking forward to seeing if they were discount conditions. I am very curious about that. However, I would like to reassure my colleague that we will be there to keep an eye on things. We are going to put on the pressure from the other side.

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7:55 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Speaker, I share many of the concerns that the member has identified and highlighted.

Like the Bloc Québécois, the Green Party has a lot of issues with the gag order on an omnibus bill like Bill C‑5. My question is simple: What can we do now, in a minority Parliament, to gain the other parties' support for opposing the current effort against age-old democracy and the work of Parliament itself?

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8 p.m.

Bloc

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

Madam Speaker, yes, what is happening right now is scandalous.

The official opposition, whose role is to oppose, the very same opposition that criticized all forms of real or imagined coalition with the government in the last Parliament, now finds itself in a what is effectively a Liberal-Conservative coalition. We will not have the opportunity to examine this bill properly, because this coalition is writing a blank cheque and completely disregarding the need to seriously study such a significant, profound and radical bill. My message to my colleague across the aisle, however, is that there is still time for the Conservatives to change their minds.

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8 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

It being 8:01 p.m., pursuant to order made earlier today, it is my duty to interrupt the proceedings and put forthwith every question necessary to dispose of Government Business No. 1 now before the House.

The question is as follows.

Shall I dispense?

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8 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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8 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

The question is as follows.

Shall I dispense?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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8 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

If a member participating in person wishes that the amendment be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.

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8 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, we request a recorded vote, please.

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8 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

Call in the members.

(The House divided on the amendment, which was negatived on the following division:)

Vote #11

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8:45 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

I declare the amendment defeated.

The next question is on the main motion.

If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.

The hon. chief government whip.

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8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I request a recorded vote, please.