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House of Commons Hansard #17 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was vehicle.

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Income Tax Act First reading of Bill C-211. The bill aims to streamline disability benefit applications by automatically recognizing provincial/territorial disability status federally, reducing paperwork for applicants and healthcare workers. 200 words.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas‑Powered Vehicles Members debate a Conservative motion calling to end the Liberal government's zero-emission vehicle sales mandate. Conservatives argue the mandate is a ban, forcing expensive EVs, costing jobs, and lacking infrastructure. Liberals state it's a phase-in, not a ban, promoting investment and job creation in the EV sector, benefiting affordability, and addressing climate change. Bloc Québécois supports electrification for Quebec. 12200 words, 1 hour.

Testimony by Minister of Energy and Natural Resources in Committee of the Whole Kevin Lamoureux responds to a question of privilege alleging the Minister of Energy and Natural Resources misled the House regarding Bill C-5, arguing the Minister did not deliberately mislead and clarifying the bill's consultation process. 500 words.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered Vehicles Members debate the Liberal government's mandate to phase out the sale of new gas-powered vehicles by 2035. Conservatives move to end the mandate, arguing it's a ban that imposes a $20,000 tax, lacks infrastructure, hurts rural Canadians, and removes consumer choice. Liberals defend the policy as an availability standard driving economic growth, jobs, and addressing climate change, stating it increases EV supply and saves money over time. 47100 words, 6 hours in 3 segments: 1 2 3.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize the Liberal ban on gas-powered vehicles, claiming it costs jobs and choice. They also raise concerns about auto sector job losses from US tariffs. They question the Minister of Housing's personal financial interests amid the housing crisis and condemn the government's soft-on-crime policies, highlighting rising extortion and failures in bail reform.
The Liberals focus on defending the Canadian auto industry against US tariffs, highlighting investments and support for auto workers. They address crime, detailing plans to toughen the Criminal Code, reform bail for violent offenses, and combat extortion. They emphasize efforts to deliver housing, increase starts, and support major projects while respecting Indigenous rights.
The Bloc criticizes Bill C-5, calling it an attack on Quebec and indigenous peoples that allows Ottawa to impose projects without consent. They condemn the bill for circumventing laws and being rammed through Parliament.
The NDP demands delayed selenium regulations for coal mining to protect water and fish.
The Greens advocate balancing defence spending with foreign aid for development and peace.

Concurrence in Vote 1—Department of Canadian Heritage Members debate the government's 2025-26 Main Estimates and Supplementary Estimates, detailing planned spending priorities on defence, health care (including the Canadian dental care plan), housing, and infrastructure. The government emphasizes investments like aiming to achieve NATO's 2% target and building a "one Canadian economy," highlighting the new Prime Minister and administration are working hard for Canadians. Opposition parties voice concerns regarding the plan to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles, government transparency, spending levels (without a budget), and the carbon tax rebate. 28800 words, 4 hours.

Main Estimates, 2025-26 First reading of Bill C-6. The bill grants money for federal public administration for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2026, and passes through first, second, and third readings in the House. 400 words, 10 minutes.

Supplementary Estimates (A), 2025-26 First reading of Bill C-7. The bill grants money for the federal public administration for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2026, passing through first, second, and third readings and committee stage. 400 words, 10 minutes.

Adjournment Debates

Budget plan transparency Greg McLean demands a budget, citing Canadians' struggles with job losses and rising costs. Annie Koutrakis emphasizes job training and skills development programs, promising a budget in the fall. McLean criticizes Koutrakis for not answering his question. Ryan Turnbull defends the government's economic actions, including a middle-class tax cut, and also says a budget will be released in the fall.
Minister's housing record Tamara Jansen criticizes the housing minister's past record as mayor of Vancouver, accusing him of enabling money laundering and driving up housing prices. Jennifer McKelvie defends the government's housing plan, citing investments in affordable housing and programs to support first-time homebuyers. Jansen questions the minister's credibility.
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The EnvironmentOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Mr. Speaker, it has been four years since we were promised new selenium regulations to protect Canada's water and fish from the devastating impacts of coal mining.

With the Conservatives and the Liberals in a bromance on Bill C-5, I am wondering whether the minister will be bringing these protections forward. Now that they have decided to ignore workers' rights, environmental laws and indigenous rights, these protections and regulations are more important than ever.

When will we see these long-awaited, long-promised regulations to stop foreign coal companies from destroying our beloved Rocky Mountains?

The EnvironmentOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

University—Rosedale Ontario

Liberal

Chrystia Freeland LiberalMinister of Transport and Internal Trade

Mr. Speaker, I am really glad to get that question, because it is so important for us to support Canada's beloved Rockies. There is a consensus among Albertans of all political stripes that we need to protect this precious resource. We need to protect our precious national parks.

I want to assure the member opposite that our government will work closely with her and all members of this House to ensure that we do that. Ranchers believe in it. Environmentalists believe in it. Hikers believe in it. Our government stands with them.

International DevelopmentOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, I am not disputing the need for Canada to fortify defences and defence spending, but the arbitrary 2% of our GNI for NATO stands in stark contrast to another goal long forgotten: 0.7% of GNI for development assistance. Poverty and failed states fuel terrorism and warlords, and fuel wars.

Now that we are investing in the war machine, will the government commit to upping our investment to wage peace in this country?

International DevelopmentOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

Surrey Centre B.C.

Liberal

Randeep Sarai LiberalSecretary of State (International Development)

Mr. Speaker, our new government commits to keeping our commitments to humanitarian aid and global development on a sustainable level despite other countries cutting back. Our country and our great Government of Canada will continue to help those who are much in need, those who have been displaced and those who need help in times of dire straits.

Presence in GalleryOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

Canadian Armed Forces Day is an opportunity for Canadians across the country to recognize the sacrifices that military personnel make on our behalf.

It is my pleasure to draw the attention of members to the presence in the gallery of six members of the Canadian Forces who are taking part in Canadian Armed Forces Day today: Royal Canadian Air Force Sergeant Brittany Shulga; Royal Canadian Navy Master Sailor Tyler Drayson-Ferrer; Canadian Army Lieutenant-Colonel Jeffrey Glen Brownridge; from the office of the vice-chief of the defence staff, Sergeant Guillaume Thibault; from the office of the chief of military personnel, Sergeant Jean-Charles Francoeur; and Canadian Army Sergeant Krista Rose Brake.

Presence in GalleryOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Some hon. members

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Departmental Plans, 2025-26Oral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Brampton—Chinguacousy Park Ontario

Liberal

Shafqat Ali LiberalPresident of the Treasury Board

Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to table, in both official languages, on behalf of 92 departments and agencies, the departmental plans for 2025-26.

Resignation of MemberOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the opportunity to briefly rise and acknowledge the letter I sent to you this morning outlining my intention to, at the earliest opportunity, which is today, resign as member of Parliament for Battle River—Crowfoot, as outlined in the letter.

It has been a true honour to serve the people of Battle River—Crowfoot over these last years. I will not repeat what I said in my farewell speech a number of weeks ago, but I will simply once again thank the people of Battle River—Crowfoot for the honour of being able to serve them.

I thank my team, both the campaign team and staff, who have become not just people I work alongside but truly friends in this process, and all the volunteers who make politics happen. Of course, I am so deeply appreciative of Danielle, my boys and my entire family.

I will be officially resigning, as outlined in my letter, at the end of the proceedings today, but prior to my departure, I will be voting no confidence in the government. I want to emphasize again that Canada needs Pierre Poilievre and common-sense Conservatives to continue the fight. As I trigger this by-election and Pierre Poilievre works hard to earn the support of the people of Battle River—Crowfoot in east central Alberta, I know that if the people of Battle River—Crowfoot make that choice, they will be incredibly well served by him.

I hope the Prime Minister will honour his word to me and his word publicly that he will call a by-election without delay, which according to my math could be as soon as 11 days from now, on June 28.

I want to emphasize once again that it has been a true honour to serve. I have an incredible team of Conservatives I have come to know and serve with over the last number of years, whether it is those I was just elected with in this election or those I have served with since being elected in 2019. It is an incredible team, and it is truly an honour to call them not just colleagues but also friends. At times, things can get partisan, but across the aisle, there are also those I count as friends in other parties.

As I conclude, I would simply thank everybody who makes Parliament happen, whether it is the translators, the tech people, security or those who often go unrecognized in the operations of how Parliament works. I am truly thankful and grateful for having had this opportunity.

While I intend to run again in the 46th general election, this will be the last time I rise in my place in the 45th Parliament. It will be up to the people, after the next general election, to choose whether I have the honour to set foot back in this place.

As I referenced before in my remarks in my farewell speech, I hope all will fight for Canada, will not stop fighting and will fight passionately, because that is the least we can do for those who send us to this place.

May God bless the people of this nation, may God bless all and may God bless Canada.

Resignation of MemberOral Questions

3:15 p.m.

The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

I thank the hon. member. I did receive his letter. I enjoyed sitting on the environment committee with him, and I wish him well, as I am sure all members do.

The House resumed consideration of the motion.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:15 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to rise and address the opposition's motion. It would be no surprise that I will not be voting in favour of the motion. I would think the Conservative Party would have learned some things over the past number of years in regard to the whole issue of climate change and the general feelings people have at the door.

I want to emphasize that with a new Prime Minister and a new administration, we have made it very clear that we want to establish and build the strongest economy in the G7. This means, in good part, that we have to recognize the reality of the economy in general. There is a time to recognize that, at times, technology matters, even for the Conservatives.

When I think of the Conservative posturing on the issue, I think of Luddites, individuals who do not quite understand the importance of technology, and how they resist any sort of change. Further, they would ultimately not do anything in terms of intervention to try to acknowledge and foster the benefits of technology.

If we listen to some of the speeches today, they say to let the free market decide, to let the free market determine everything, not recognizing that the government has a role to play. This is one of the biggest things that I believe distinguish Liberals from the far MAGA right we see across the way. It is not the traditional Progressive Conservative Party that elected individuals like Brian Mulroney. It is a totally different party today, and we see that in a number of the speeches the Conservatives provide.

I look at it in terms of recognizing that Donald Trump, the tariffs and trade will have a very significant impact here in Canada. We campaigned on that, in good part. We also recognize a need to realize that technology and the advancement of sustainable development in the area of our automobile industry are in fact a reality. The Conservative Party has resisted that consistently, even with the former Justin Trudeau administration when we had major announcements, announcements that were worth literally billions of dollars. We can talk about Honda, Stellantis or Volkswagen.

I must say, I do not think people really appreciate and understand the massive investments that Volkswagen has committed to materializing here in Canada. If, in fact, we have the realization of its potential, it will be one of the largest factories, if not the largest, in terms of square footage in Canada and possibly even North America. It is anticipated that the size of that factory would be somewhere in the neighbourhood of 200 football fields. It is a massive factory. Let us think of all the resources that are going to be required in order to support that factory alone.

Members opposite talk about jobs and try to give the impression that they are concerned about the automobile industry. I would beg to differ. I would suggest that if they were genuinely concerned about the auto industry, they would take a look at what is happening around the world. What is happening around the world is a growing demand for electric vehicles.

We have, for example, the United Kingdom and the European Union, and one of my colleagues made reference to Norway. These are countries that have really picked up the ball on electric vehicles, recognizing that technology has changed significantly.

I love the example that the government whip gave earlier today when he talked about incandescent light bulbs. I can imagine what the Conservatives would have said: “What is wrong with the light bulb? It works. Let the market decide.” After all, GE and company were still making millions on those light bulbs. Why would they change their manufacturing process? Why would they adopt the new technology? The simple reason is that through change, technology and research, we see that there is a better alternative, the alternative being LED lighting.

The Conservatives' position would have been to leave it, not touch it and let the market decide. Progressive governments would recognize that what we can do is speed up that process by providing incentives and encouraging companies to invest in technology and to use that technology for the betterment of society. That is what I love about that particular example the member raised. We went from one form of a light bulb to a new form that ultimately was better for the environment, ended up costing less for the consumer and did an equal or better job in terms of providing light. At the end of the day, it is better for the environment. Everyone wins in a situation like that.

I realize there is a big difference between electric light bulbs and electric vehicles, but the principles of technology can be applied to both. The attitude coming from today's far-right Conservative Party has not changed and is applied to both on an equal basis, and that is why I find it unfortunate. If the Conservatives really cared about the jobs, they would be thinking about the future. They should be thinking about where the jobs are going to be.

Whether the Conservative Party wants to or not, the world is going to continue to rotate, and we will continue to see the expansion of EVs. We will continue to see young people drive environmental changes that are good for our environment and ultimately, I would argue, as the member for Kingston and the Islands did, good for the consumer too. Everyone can benefit by accepting policies that make a positive difference all around.

I will refer to two things that I think about when I think of electric vehicles. One is the taxi industry in the city of Winnipeg. I raise it because Winnipeg has a variety of weather. We get pretty hot summers, the best summers in the world, and we get some pretty cold winters. If we take a look at the taxi industry in the city of Winnipeg, I suspect it might be the first taxi industry that went electric as a whole, virtually all of it. It was with the Prius. At the turn of the century, we saw Priuses being purchased by taxi owners. It is truly amazing how that industry adopted the Prius, a hybrid, as a way to provide transportation among points A, B and C for people coming to Winnipeg and for local residents. We have over 450 Priuses driving around the city of Winnipeg, and it makes a difference.

When members opposite talk about, as has been pointed out, myths, they exaggerate some of those problems, such as that the batteries will not survive in cold weather or will not heat vehicles properly. I can assure members that the riders of Unicity Taxi were not complaining that it was too cold inside the taxi. I can assure members that a taxi driver and the taxi owners would not buy Priuses in Winnipeg if the vehicles were not good year-round in the extreme temperatures that the city of Winnipeg actually receives. The Winnipeg taxi industry, I believe, led the way when it came to taxis in Canada, and quite possibly North America, and I applaud the industry representatives who have done so.

The other thing I would like to highlight, as I think of hybrid or electric vehicles, is New Flyer industries. New Flyer produces electric buses that are now being driven all over North America. If we take a look to see what was there a decade ago, there was not much, but today the industry continues to grow. In fact, members can take a look at their website.

When we talk about how government can make a difference, we established the Canada Infrastructure Bank, and I know my Conservative friends are very familiar with the Canada Infrastructure Bank. My colleague from Waterloo says that they really like it, but actually, no, they oppose it. For the life of me, I do not quite understand why they would oppose the $10 billion-plus through the Canada Infrastructure Bank, which was then matched by more than $25 billion, creating 35 billion dollars' worth of different types of investment from every region of the country. The reason I bring it up is that many of those investments are in things like electric school buses and electric municipal public buses.

There are so many opportunities out there to create jobs, jobs of the future, green jobs, but the Conservatives just want to close their eyes, put their head in the sand and let them go by. At the end of the day, I would argue that it is at a substantial cost, because what we should be doing is much like what the Prime Minister is talking about. We need to strive to build a strong and healthy economy, arguably the strongest economy in the G7. We can do that, but it means that, at times, we have to recognize that we have to take advantage of the technology that is there and use government policy, whether it is taxation, regulation, incentives or whatever it may be, in order to encourage consumer choice or encourage a company to invest in technology. Those are absolutely critical in order for that to occur.

I made reference to the taxi industry in Manitoba. I believe there was a $2,000 incentive grant for anyone who bought an electric vehicle, and I suspect many members within the taxi industry actually took advantage of that particular grant. As a national government, the previous administration, under Justin Trudeau, had a program that provided funds for individuals to purchase an electric vehicle; some provinces did likewise. We would have a federal government, along with a provincial government, promoting and encouraging people to purchase an electric vehicle, whether by providing those sorts of grants and incentives, providing tax breaks or providing subsidies to companies.

We get criticized by the far right, the Conservative reformers across the way, who say, “Well, we should not be subsidizing. We should not be providing grants.” I can remember that Volkswagen, Honda and Stellantis, I believe it was, were at a press conference we had, and if we take a look, we will see that Premier Doug Ford was there. Different political parties and different levels of government are recognizing the needs and taking a look at where the future is.

Yes, at times there will be pauses and there will be concerns, but at the very least we are moving in a direction of working with provinces and other stakeholders in order to secure the type of jobs that we want in the future. We have a Prime Minister who is committed to working with provinces and territories, indigenous communities and communities as a whole in terms of how we can build a stronger economy. We saw that very visibly just over two weeks ago, when the Prime Minister met with the first ministers to talk about strengthening the economies.

When people raise the issue of the automobile industry as a whole, whether it is Ontario, Quebec, B.C., or any other province that contributes to the degree that we see today, it is wrong for the Conservatives to try to give the false impression that the government is not concerned about those jobs, because we are working with industry and unions. We understand the importance of those jobs. Equally important, we understand that as things change, we have to stay on top of them, because if we fail to do that, we will lose jobs. However, we are very focused on how we can not only preserve jobs but also grow the industry.

It is a targeted industry. It is something in which the previous administration, under Justin Trudeau, invested heavily, as other governments have done, likewise. We want to see the automobile industry continue to prosper. It is an industry I am very familiar with. In fact, when I was 11 or 12 years old, I used to pump gas at my father's gas station. From there, I worked in the automobile industry until I joined the Canadian Forces a number of years later. I have family members who are directly involved in the automobile industry. There are individuals, like Larry Vickers and others, who want to make sure I am aware of what is taking place in that particular industry.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:35 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

The hon. member for Cariboo—Prince George is rising on a point of order.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Mr. Speaker, I just want to remind our colleagues, since we have a lot of new colleagues on both sides of the House, particularly in the back row of the government, that no photos are allowed to be taken during debate within the House. I just want to make sure that I have the ruling right, Mr. Speaker, and I put the question to you whether that is correct or not.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:35 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

The member is correct. No cameras are permitted for taking pictures in the House; I will say that as a general warning.

Should anyone have taken a picture or a video, I would ask that it be deleted immediately. If members have a question about that, they can see us at the chair or at the table, and we can confirm that it has been deleted if that was the case. I will say that as a general reminder, and I hope all colleagues will refrain from taking pictures.

The hon. parliamentary secretary has the floor.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I think of the comments being made from across the way, and in particular by the member for Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke. If we were to read the speech she delivered and her answers to questions, we would think that gas will stop selling in Canada shortly. We would think that Russia and other influences are going to prevent all gas vehicles from being sold in Canada virtually immediately. There are Conservatives who put a hard-right spin of misinformation in order to generate funds through their email network, and I know they have a massive one, to spread misinformation.

There are a lot of good things happening today, even with the threat of Donald Trump, the tariffs and trade. Whether it is union workers or the industry as a whole, different levels of government, in some cases municipal but always federal and provincial stakeholders, are there to protect the industry and to ensure that the jobs of the future are in fact being taken into consideration and that investments in one form or another are being delivered. That is how we are going to ensure that we continue to grow with a greener economy and beyond.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Mr. Speaker, the hon. colleague got up once again to speak. I would be frustrated if I were one of the new members on that side of the House; they do not get up to speak, but the member gets up all the time.

Our hon. colleague and the one before him, the member for Kingston and the Islands, spoke of the light bulb industry and how Canada moved to LED bulbs. The EV mandate facts are that by 2026, 20% of new vehicles sold must be zero-emission, rising to 60% by 2030 and 100% by 2035. If dealerships do not meet their quotas, then they are punished.

I want to know whether the lighting industry also faced penalties if it did not make quotas for selling the new light bulbs that the members mentioned.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, even the question itself is somewhat misleading, because the member does not take into consideration hybrids, for example. The member would know that. He is asking about light bulbs as an example. I believe it was a government in Ontario that made it very clear that in 10 years, I think it was, it would be phasing in LED light bulbs. Corporations, and I think of Manitoba Hydro in the province of Manitoba, recognized the value of LED.

The point of my using that example was to reflect on the importance of technology. Using technology can benefit everyone: the consumer and the producer. All of us can benefit from using technology.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:40 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Beaulieu Bloc La Pointe-de-l'Île, QC

Mr. Speaker, the Liberals seem to want to pick up where the Conservatives left off and abandon the fight against climate change. Their EV incentive program was discontinued well before the deadline, causing challenges for dealers who wanted to meet the zero-emission vehicle standard. Some dealers advanced as much as $11 million to pay for federal subsidies, but they did not receive the expected payments. Dealers in Quebec alone accounted for approximately $9 million of that amount.

The Minister of Industry announced that the government would resume the EV incentive program, but nothing is happening. I would like to know what my colleague thinks about this.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, when we brought in the federal program, as I mentioned, the Province of Quebec had a complementary program that really provided incentive for people to purchase electric vehicles, and at the end of the day, the take-up on the federal program was very significant. I am quite encouraged by that.

My understanding is that the pot allocated to take care of that program was, in fact, exceeded. If I am wrong, the member can correct me, but that is my basic understanding of it. In the sense of demand, I see that as a positive thing, and hopefully we will be able to come up with additional resources going forward.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Richmond East—Steveston, BC

Mr. Speaker, my question for my dear colleague from Winnipeg is this: Despite generational investments into things like the SkyTrain in my hometown of Richmond, British Columbia, and other transit operational investments that have been made, how important are electric vehicles to our province of British Columbia, for example, where there has been tremendous climate impact from wildfires and floods, as well as other climate events that have taken place there?

How important is it to have people make these important choices when it comes to climate?

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, it is always encouraging to see individuals choose, as consumers, to invest in an EV. More and more Canadians are making that choice, and that is why it is important that the government continue to look at incentives, subsidies and so forth as a way to encourage that.

The consumer benefits tremendously. All one needs to do is take a look at the cost of having an electric vehicle after purchase price, compared to having a gas vehicle, not to mention the benefits to the environment, which goes to the question that the member asked in regard to the emissions from combustion engines.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, actually, we have a great example of different philosophies on display here in the House of Commons with the EV mandate debate.

As a Conservative, I think that if someone wants to buy an electric vehicle, they should go ahead. If they want to buy a gas vehicle, they should go ahead. It is their choice and up to them; the government should not have to mandate people to do something. Liberals who want to buy an EV vehicle think that if they are buying one, everyone has to buy one; everyone has to do the same thing they do. That is an example of how we view things differently on the Conservative side, as we think people should be able to make their own choices.

With that being said, there has been a lot of rhetoric from my friend from Winnipeg. According to the CAA, electric vehicles lose 40% of their battery capacity between -7°C and -15°C. How cold does it get in Winnipeg?

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that the member should take a look at the taxi industry in Winnipeg. Maybe he will get some specific answers on that aspect.

Here is the difference between the Conservatives and the Liberals. Liberals will take a look at where the jobs are going to be into the future, good, hard-working, middle-class jobs, and how we can build an economy to support them. Right-wing Conservatives, on the other hand, will sit back and say, “Who cares? The jobs are there and we'll just stick with those jobs, even if they become outdated, even if the European Union and the United Kingdom are moving toward electric vehicles.” In Norway, 90% plus are using electric vehicles—

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:40 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

The hon. member for Mirabel has the floor.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered VehiclesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:45 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Mr. Speaker, in response to the question from my Bloc Québécois colleague, the member for Winnipeg North told us to correct him if he was wrong. Here is the situation. The federal government paid incentives to get people to buy electric cars. Seventy per cent of the funds in Canada come from Quebec. Quebec dealerships, small and medium-sized businesses, were the ones that had to provide that money. They provided that money because the government, deciding not to have Parliament sit, could not appropriate the funds. At that time, the Minister of Finance and the Minister of Industry met with Quebec dealers, looked them in the eyes, and told them that they would appropriate the funds, that the money to reimburse them would be in the next estimates, and that they had their word.

We have gotten the estimates, which we are still debating today, and there is not a penny for Quebec dealerships. It is not just a matter of saying that the coffers were empty. There was a promise to appropriate the funds. Where is that money, and does the parliamentary secretary believe that his government owes money to Quebec dealers, who provided those funds?