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House of Commons Hansard #17 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was vehicle.

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Income Tax Act First reading of Bill C-211. The bill aims to streamline disability benefit applications by automatically recognizing provincial/territorial disability status federally, reducing paperwork for applicants and healthcare workers. 200 words.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas‑Powered Vehicles Members debate a Conservative motion calling to end the Liberal government's zero-emission vehicle sales mandate. Conservatives argue the mandate is a ban, forcing expensive EVs, costing jobs, and lacking infrastructure. Liberals state it's a phase-in, not a ban, promoting investment and job creation in the EV sector, benefiting affordability, and addressing climate change. Bloc Québécois supports electrification for Quebec. 12200 words, 1 hour.

Testimony by Minister of Energy and Natural Resources in Committee of the Whole Kevin Lamoureux responds to a question of privilege alleging the Minister of Energy and Natural Resources misled the House regarding Bill C-5, arguing the Minister did not deliberately mislead and clarifying the bill's consultation process. 500 words.

Opposition Motion—Sale of Gas-Powered Vehicles Members debate the Liberal government's mandate to phase out the sale of new gas-powered vehicles by 2035. Conservatives move to end the mandate, arguing it's a ban that imposes a $20,000 tax, lacks infrastructure, hurts rural Canadians, and removes consumer choice. Liberals defend the policy as an availability standard driving economic growth, jobs, and addressing climate change, stating it increases EV supply and saves money over time. 47100 words, 6 hours in 3 segments: 1 2 3.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize the Liberal ban on gas-powered vehicles, claiming it costs jobs and choice. They also raise concerns about auto sector job losses from US tariffs. They question the Minister of Housing's personal financial interests amid the housing crisis and condemn the government's soft-on-crime policies, highlighting rising extortion and failures in bail reform.
The Liberals focus on defending the Canadian auto industry against US tariffs, highlighting investments and support for auto workers. They address crime, detailing plans to toughen the Criminal Code, reform bail for violent offenses, and combat extortion. They emphasize efforts to deliver housing, increase starts, and support major projects while respecting Indigenous rights.
The Bloc criticizes Bill C-5, calling it an attack on Quebec and indigenous peoples that allows Ottawa to impose projects without consent. They condemn the bill for circumventing laws and being rammed through Parliament.
The NDP demands delayed selenium regulations for coal mining to protect water and fish.
The Greens advocate balancing defence spending with foreign aid for development and peace.

Concurrence in Vote 1—Department of Canadian Heritage Members debate the government's 2025-26 Main Estimates and Supplementary Estimates, detailing planned spending priorities on defence, health care (including the Canadian dental care plan), housing, and infrastructure. The government emphasizes investments like aiming to achieve NATO's 2% target and building a "one Canadian economy," highlighting the new Prime Minister and administration are working hard for Canadians. Opposition parties voice concerns regarding the plan to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles, government transparency, spending levels (without a budget), and the carbon tax rebate. 28800 words, 4 hours.

Main Estimates, 2025-26 First reading of Bill C-6. The bill grants money for federal public administration for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2026, and passes through first, second, and third readings in the House. 400 words, 10 minutes.

Supplementary Estimates (A), 2025-26 First reading of Bill C-7. The bill grants money for the federal public administration for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2026, passing through first, second, and third readings and committee stage. 400 words, 10 minutes.

Adjournment Debates

Budget plan transparency Greg McLean demands a budget, citing Canadians' struggles with job losses and rising costs. Annie Koutrakis emphasizes job training and skills development programs, promising a budget in the fall. McLean criticizes Koutrakis for not answering his question. Ryan Turnbull defends the government's economic actions, including a middle-class tax cut, and also says a budget will be released in the fall.
Minister's housing record Tamara Jansen criticizes the housing minister's past record as mayor of Vancouver, accusing him of enabling money laundering and driving up housing prices. Jennifer McKelvie defends the government's housing plan, citing investments in affordable housing and programs to support first-time homebuyers. Jansen questions the minister's credibility.
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Concurrence in Vote 1—Department of Canadian HeritageMain Estimates, 2025-2026Government Orders

7:45 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Perron Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Madam Speaker, being the member that I am, I think it must be very hard to make speeches all day criticizing the government and then in the evening, before going to bed, supporting the government and voting with it. I do not know how the members of the official opposition do it.

I know another party that did that for several months, if not years. Its members criticized the terrible government that was making large corporations richer and, in the evening, they would rise and vote with the government. Today there are not as many members of that party in the House. I hope that the official opposition will learn something from that

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7:45 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Madam Speaker, the Liberals are saying that since it is written in their platform, they are doing it. In their election platform, in their leader's speeches, during the leaders' debates and during the election campaign, they kept talking about seniors. They said that they would help seniors financially.

The Liberals are in the habit of stealing bits and pieces of every party's platform. In fact, their party is referred to as the chameleon party. It is not really the Liberal Party. They look for items in each platform to get themselves reelected every time.

The Liberals all but said in their election platform and during the election campaign that they would provide financial assistance for seniors. Is my colleague aware of anything that has been done to improve seniors' finances since the Prime Minister has been in office?

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7:45 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Perron Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Madam Speaker, I thank my distinguished colleague from Lac-Saint-Jean for his question.

He is absolutely right to raise this point. That is basically what I was trying to highlight in my response to the first question. The Liberals are very good at making generic speeches. They say they are going to help seniors but, in their minds, that might mean a small increase to the GIS for the poorest seniors, and it would be a very small increase because that costs less.

However, when we want to properly improve people's standard of living, when we want to build Quebec and Canada, we are told that $3 billion a year is far too expensive to improve the standard of living for seniors, people we should respect.

At the same time, they spent $6 billion before the holidays to scrap the tax on chips. That was not too expensive. They also spent billions of dollars refunding the carbon tax, even though people had not even paid it. They pulled that off by pilfering $814 million of our money. That was not too expensive either.

They choose who they are going to give the money to. I find that shocking and shameful. I hope people will realize that.

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7:50 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, the member says that he wants to see specific actions. A specific action would be Bill C-2, which deals with borders. Specific actions would be dealing with giving a tax cut to Canadians, having one Canadian economy, meeting with the different premiers, and hosting a G7 summit. We have a very proactive, aggressive Prime Minister who believes in hard work, and we are seeing the results today.

I am wondering whether the member would not agree that this is actually action. That is more than words, and there are a lot more words and action to follow.

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7:50 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member has 15 seconds to respond.

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7:50 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Perron Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Madam Speaker, it will be very short, so I will choose the best part of my response for the parliamentary secretary.

He is right to say that the Prime Minister is progressive. The parliamentary secretary said "aggressive".

I, too, find it a bit aggressive to force a vote on a bill in one week without giving the opposition parties the power to properly study and amend the bill to improve it for citizens.

That is what we have a problem with.

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7:50 p.m.

Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne Québec

Liberal

Sherry Romanado LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Defence

Madam Speaker, I will be sharing my time with the member for Richmond East—Steveston.

I rise today to speak about the main estimates, along with the supplementary estimates, for 2025-26. I would like to speak about a topic near and dear to my heart, our Canadian Armed Forces. For too long, we have not done our part in celebrating and sharing the stories of the brave men and women of the Canadian Armed Forces. We know that when a member serves, their family serves along with them. I know that to be true.

I would like to focus my remarks today on our new government's investments in national defence, and most importantly, the people on the defence team. Let us remember that estimates documents are more than just numbers on a page; they are a detailed blueprint of our government's planned spending for the fiscal year ahead. The planned investments in the main estimates and the supplementary estimates align with a broad range of priorities and address matters that are of significant concern to Canada, to Canadians and of course to the members of the Canadian Armed Forces.

Canada is a sovereign country. Our responsibility is to ensure that Canada remains strong. The Canadian Armed Forces are facing new challenges day after day.

Our Canadian Armed Forces are on the front lines of our critical work at home, within the continent and around the world. At home, our forces deployed on Operation Lentus have most recently evacuated nearly 4,000 people from dangerous wildfires in northern Manitoba and Ontario. Within the continent, our forces deployed on Operation CARIBBE have seized 1,300 kilograms of illegal narcotics in the Caribbean Sea. Around the world, our forces deployed on Operation Reassurance are leading NATO's forward land forces in Latvia. Let us not forget our Canadian Armed Forces deployed on NORAD missions, who have the watch.

Let us talk numbers. In the main estimates, the Department of National Defence is requesting voted expenditures with a total of $33.9 billion. Of this, $12.3 billion is being processed to ensure the readiness of our armed forces, $9.5 billion for military procurement and $4.9 billion for sustainable bases, IT systems and infrastructure.

In the supplementary estimates (A), National Defence is requesting over $9 billion. This includes $2.5 billion for recruitment, retention and support programs for Canadian Armed Forces members; $2 billion for defence research and development for the Canadian defence industry; and let us not forget an additional $2 billion in military aid to Ukraine. The estimates provide critical funding as Canada enters an increasingly complex world and ever-changing threat environment. Taken together, the main estimates and the supplementary estimates mean that Canada will achieve NATO's 2% target this fiscal year.

This is not just an investment in our armed forces. It is an investment in well-paid jobs, Canadian innovation and economic growth.

Let us talk about the positive impacts that our investments will have across the country. There are already 300,000 jobs in the wider defence sector, and this investment will increase that number.

Our investments will help Canadian businesses lead, innovate and deliver, and help make Canada safe and strong for generations to come. The main estimates are a critical part of that practice, helping to ensure that every dollar spent serves the public good.

Many people in the chamber know that the Canadian Armed Forces members will do anything that is asked of them to support Canadians, to support our allies and to defend our values. I have spoken with many members across the way who have all said they support the brave men and women in uniform and their families. When it comes to the Canadian Armed Forces and our defence, I think we can all agree that these are non-partisan issues. I think we can all come together to support our troops.

I want to close my remarks by speaking to the members of the Canadian Armed Forces and the families that support them. I know full well the sacrifices they and their families make: the missed birthday parties, Christmas in November, the stress of frequent postings and the challenges of uprooting their family, including finding new day care, a family doctor and employment in a new city. Just when their family settles down, it is time to move again or prepare for another deployment.

My military family is what motivated me to run for federal office. To the members of the Canadian Armed Forces and to their families, please know I am here for them. I see them. Together, we will continue to advocate for them always.

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7:55 p.m.

Saint John—Kennebecasis New Brunswick

Liberal

Wayne Long LiberalSecretary of State (Canada Revenue Agency and Financial Institutions)

Mr. Speaker, let me congratulate you on your new role; it looks very good on you up there.

I have a question for my friend and colleague with respect to our government's bold new agenda. Obviously we were recently re-elected, and I am very pleased to hear our Prime Minister commit to the 2% spending amount with NATO. I am wondering whether my friend could just comment on what that means for the armed forces in our country and what it means for our economy.

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7:55 p.m.

Liberal

Sherry Romanado Liberal Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne, QC

Mr. Speaker, the reality is that we need to invest more in our Canadian Armed Forces. I have had the opportunity of visiting 12 bases and wings over the course of the last couple of years, and I see what the state of some of our military bases is.

We need to make sure that the men and women in uniform have the equipment they need and are able to focus on the job at hand, and to make sure their families are supported as well. With that, we also know there are significant funds we spend on procurement that are going outside the Canadian economy. We are going to focus on supporting the Canadian military industry.

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June 17th, 2025 / 7:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, I am thankful to the member for her focus on our Canadian military. We truly are proud of it, and we want to support it in the best way as we can.

However, I am a bit curious. The member states that she wants to give the military the tools and the resources it needs to do its job, yet the Liberals cancelled the F-35 contract. At the very best, that is going to be a delay. How do you respond to that, with your passion to give it the tools it needs and then cancelling the contract for jets we desperately need?

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7:55 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

Before I allow the parliamentary secretary to respond, I will remind the member that questions go through the Chair. I did not cancel contracts.

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8 p.m.

Liberal

Sherry Romanado Liberal Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne, QC

Mr. Speaker, with respect to the F-35 replacement project, we have not cancelled the project; that is not correct. We are reviewing the purchase. We have committed to the first 16 we will be receiving in the next two years.

We will be looking at all expenditures from top to bottom across the government in terms of making sure we have the most appropriate spend for what we need. We have not cancelled it, and our plan is absolutely to replace the fighter jet fleet.

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8 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Mr. Speaker, my colleague is a member from Quebec. She must know that, when the Parliamentary Budget Officer appeared before the Standing Committee on National Finance, he confirmed that during the election campaign, there were so-called carbon tax rebates in eight provinces on a tax that had not been collected. That is further proof that Quebeckers were robbed of $814 million.

I know that we never get a clear answer. However, I would like to ask my colleague if she trusts the Parliamentary Budget Officer or not.

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8 p.m.

Liberal

Sherry Romanado Liberal Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne, QC

Mr. Speaker, as a proud Quebecker, I know that Quebec is a leader on the environment. It is Quebec that proposed the carbon pricing program.

I am very proud of the fact that Quebec is ahead of all the other provinces when it comes to the environment.

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8 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, my colleague just said that she has full confidence in the Government of Quebec. The Government of Quebec and all the other parties at the National Assembly, or all 125 elected members from Quebec, called for the reimbursement of $814 million. Like the Parliamentary Budget Officer, they understood that we were robbed.

Since my colleague has confidence in the Government of Quebec, should she not have voted in favour of our motion, which sought to give Quebeckers back their $814 million?

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8 p.m.

Liberal

Sherry Romanado Liberal Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne, QC

Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned earlier, since Quebec has never contributed to the federal carbon tax system, it is only natural that it did not receive a rebate.

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8 p.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Richmond East—Steveston, BC

Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to appear before the House today to talk about the main estimates, but I want to take a moment to thank my friend, who went before me. I share the respect she showed for our military and those who serve to protect the freedoms we enjoy. I thank her very much for that and her heartfelt speech.

Voted expenditures cover an extraordinarily wide range of programs and activities, including the Canadian Forces, health services for first nations, veterans' benefits and support for housing. In my speech today, I will be focusing on the Canadian dental care plan and the wonderful impact it has already had on the oral health of eligible Canadian residents across the country and of course in my hometown of Richmond, British Columbia.

With respect to the importance of health care, we all know that Canadians need accessible and affordable health care services. It is important that we recognize that dental care is health care. We know that regular visits to oral health professionals can help reduce the risk of a number of serious health issues, including cardiovascular disease and stroke. Helping catch health issues early on is important to our own well-being and is also important on a much larger scale since it helps reduce the burden on our health care system. Unfortunately, too many Canadians have been going without regular oral health care. Studies have found that a third of Canadians do not have dental insurance and one in four has not been able to see an oral health provider because of the cost.

Canadians should not have to choose between paying their bills and getting the care they need. That is why, in December 2023, the Government of Canada launched one of the largest social programs in Canadian history, the Canadian dental care plan, also known as the CDCP.

The CDCP is a national plan being delivered in all provinces and territories. It is making the cost of oral health care more affordable for up to nine million Canadians who do not have access to dental insurance and who have an adjusted family net income of less than $90,000 per year. The plan is making a wide range of oral health care services more affordable. The services include preventative care, such as scaling, as well as other services, such as exams, X-rays, fillings, dentures and root canal treatments. The CDCP also considers coverage for additional services and treatments, such as crowns, the initial placement of partial dentures and general anaesthesia through pre-authorization.

As members can imagine, launching one of the largest social programs in Canadian history was no easy task. To ensure a smooth onboarding process for eligible Canadians and providers alike, the CDCP was rolled out using a phased approach. The Government of Canada started its onboarding first with seniors in 2023, then adults with a valid disability tax credit certificate and children under 18 in 2024. Last month, the CDCP applications opened to all remaining eligible Canadians, fulfilling the government's commitment to fully implementing the plan in 2025.

Throughout the launch, letters were sent to Canadian residents in the eligible income range inviting them to apply to the CDCP, increasing the plan's awareness at each stage of implementation. So far, more than four million Canadians have been approved to be part of the plan, and more than two million have already gone to get care.

This is a remarkable achievement in a very short amount of time and one that would not have been possible without the support of oral health providers and their associations across the country. Oral health providers from coast to coast to coast acknowledge the need to provide better access to oral health services, and their dedication and commitment to providing care to their patients are very commendable.

The Government of Canada, with the help and collaboration of many stakeholders across the country, implemented a plan informed by provider associations, oral health experts and research findings. This work continues to solidify the importance of working together with partners within the oral health community to inform the implementation of the CDCP now and in the future as the plan continues to evolve.

To date, more than 25,000 oral health providers are participating in the plan. That is more than 22,000 dentists and dental specialists, more than 2,000 denturists and more than 1,000 independently practising hygienists caring for patients covered under the CDCP. Additionally, 19 educational institution clinics that train future Canadian oral health providers are participating in the CDCP. Their participation means greater access to oral health care for patients and more learning opportunities for students in training settings.

By participating in the plan and accepting to take on CDCP clients, these providers are helping millions of Canadians get access to the care they need. The success of the plan would not have been possible without the high level of participation of these oral health professionals. On behalf of the Government of Canada, I wish to thank all the oral health professionals who contributed to this success and continue to do so.

I am going to share some stories. The stories heard since the launch of the CDCP have been heartbreaking and uplifting at the same time.

A patient had half of their complete denture broken off for over a decade, unable to afford a replacement. Another Canadian shared that the CDCP has been life-changing for them, as having an autoimmune illness impacted their teeth and their confidence. Being able to finally get their smile fixed has been life-changing. An 89-year-old woman in a wheelchair got her teeth cleaned by a mobile dental hygienist. She was finally able to receive the care she needed at her long-term care facility. These are only a few of the many patients who had difficulty eating properly or who lived with pain for decades because they could not afford the care, patients who, thanks to the CDCP, are finally getting the care they very much needed.

A denturist told us that some of his CDCP patients had gone 15 years without dentures because they could not afford them. An independent dental hygienist shared that some of her CDCP clients had not received dental care in the last 30 years. A dentist was surprised to find three cases of undiagnosed oral health cancer in his first week of treating CDCP patients. That is three patients with a better chance of survival because of the CDCP. These are just a few testimonials of the many heard over the past year and a half from providers and their patients. It is fair to say that the CDCP has been life-changing for many. The CDCP has helped and continues to help improve the oral health of millions of Canadians.

The CDCP has also helped the average person save more than $800 per year, which is hundreds of dollars that can now be spent on other important basics they need, such as housing, heating and food. Thanks to the CDCP, many Canadians no longer need to choose between paying their bills and getting the oral health care they need.

I will conclude by reiterating that by investing in Canadians' oral health, the Government of Canada is investing in a healthier Canada and a stronger health care system. Together, we are improving the lives of millions of people and in turn improving the Canadian health care system.

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8:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, one thing that troubles me about this program is what I hear frequently in my constituency office. People come in and say, “The government said this was a free program and that my dental expenses were now covered, but they were not covered.”

One of my questions is, why did the government do such a poor job rolling this out, misleading people to think that all of their dental care was going to be free? The other one is, would it not have been nice to present a budget to the House so we could know what we can afford and what we cannot?

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8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Richmond East—Steveston, BC

Mr. Speaker, the plan was rolled out in phases, as I indicated, and it was a success, with more than four million Canadians being approved to be part of the plan and more than two million having already gone to get care. The plan, as it was presented, was effective and efficient, and people are getting the care they need.

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8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Guillaume Deschênes-Thériault Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Mr. Speaker, my colleague spoke about the positive impact of expanding dental care coverage in his community. I have heard the same thing in my riding of Madawaska—Restigouche. When I was door knocking during the campaign, a lot of people spoke about the positive impact this new program has had on their life and about the importance of having access to affordable dental care.

I would like to hear the views of my colleague on why it is important for him and our team to build a strong economy that benefits everyone.

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8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Richmond East—Steveston, BC

Mr. Speaker, I thank my friend for sharing the story from his community. When we look at this, and I will speak specifically to the CDCP program, and when we talk about the economy, this is actually a productivity program. People can get the care they need and maybe get an opportunity to get a job that they could not get when they did not have that care. I thank the member for raising a very important point on how we can link this program specifically to our economy.

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8:10 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, that is fantastic, because we were told that the Prime Minister is a master at managing public finances.

I might be forced to admit that is true, since none of these members are following up on what the Parliamentary Budget Officer said about the rebate paid out on a carbon tax that was never collected. None of these Liberal members is repeating the Quebec National Assembly's call for a reimbursement of the $814 million.

I have to wonder if being a master at managing public finances means robbing Quebec. That is my question for the member.

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8:10 p.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Richmond East—Steveston, BC

Mr. Speaker, I do not think I mentioned anything about stealing from anyone. I am talking about providing services, health care and programs, not only to the benefit of Canadians, but also to the benefit of our economy. We are making people more productive so they can do things that they may not have been able to do previously. Today, I was focusing on those programs.

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8:10 p.m.

Conservative

Marc Dalton Conservative Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Mr. Speaker, we are being left in the dark, as members of Parliament and as Canadians, because we do not have a budget to know how much we can afford and how much we cannot afford. We do know one thing: The Liberals are spending money willy-nilly. It is for good programs, yes, but there could be a little more restraint and thoughtfulness. I believe the money we are spending just on the deficit is approaching $50 billion, maybe more. We could spend money on these type of programs and more by just living within our means.

Do the Liberals have any appreciation of how to live within our means so we can afford programs like this?

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8:15 p.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Richmond East—Steveston, BC

Mr. Speaker, not only do we know, but we actually have a plan. I am sure the member has heard the Prime Minister talk about a plan to make sure that we can continue to provide funding for important programs, such as the CDCP, and at the same time look at our operational spending and make those reductions and find those savings so we can continue to serve Canadians in the right way.