House of Commons Hansard #7 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was communities.

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Resumption of Debate on Address in Reply Members respond to the Speech from the Throne, discussing government priorities and opposition criticisms. Liberals highlight plans for affordability through tax cuts and social programs, building a stronger economy by reducing trade barriers and investing in nation-building projects, and enhancing public safety. Conservatives criticize the lack of a plan, rising crime, the opioid crisis, and policies impacting industries, advocating for lower spending and taxes. Bloc Québécois members raise concerns about budget transparency, climate change, and provincial jurisdiction. NDP members point to social program achievements and call for action on housing, workers' rights, and environmental protection. 60700 words, 7 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives demand the government table a spring budget, criticizing spending without oversight, high consultant costs, and increased government spending. They call for repealing the government's anti-energy agenda, express concern about the growing number of temporary residents, the housing crisis, and rising crime rates due to soft-on-crime laws.
The Liberals focus on building one Canadian economy with provinces and territories, becoming an energy superpower, and implementing countertariffs against the US to protect steel and aluminum workers. They highlight the dental care plan, cutting taxes for Canadians, the strong borders act, and strengthening the bail regime.
The Bloc raises concerns about a proposed pipeline to Hudson Bay and respecting Quebec's BAPE jurisdiction. They criticize the lack of support for Quebec's aluminum industry facing potential doubled US tariffs.
The NDP raised concerns about the lack of deeply affordable housing and criticized the government's handling of postal workers and Canada Post negotiations.

Wildfires in Manitoba and Saskatchewan Members debate wildfires in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, which have forced thousands of evacuations, particularly from northern and Indigenous communities. The NDP and Bloc criticize the federal government's response, consultation, and lack of permanent infrastructure. Conservatives question preparedness, funding, and forest management practices, while noting human-caused fires. Liberals highlight their swift response, coordination with provinces and Indigenous partners, and efforts to provide support. All thank first responders and volunteers, emphasizing the need to work together, address the increasing frequency of disasters linked to climate change, and improve preparedness and resilience. 45000 words, 5 hours.

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Wildfires in Manitoba and SaskatchewanEmergency Debate

8:25 p.m.

Bloc

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Madam Speaker, despite some worthy efforts made in recent years, we find ourselves in a situation where the need for climate change prevention and adaptation is greater than ever, far exceeding current contributions, including the contributions of a federal government that should be investing much more, especially to help the provinces and indigenous nations better adapt to climate change. The responsibility and the needs involved are huge. Despite efforts made in recent years through its initial adaptation strategy, the federal government has missed the mark when it comes to providing the essential financial contributions required for short-term crisis management.

If we are serious about tackling these extreme climate events, we need to address the source of the problem, which means reducing emissions by a lot more and drafting a credible nationwide emissions reduction plan. Unfortunately, this has not been done. Unless they do these things, Canada and every other country in the world will unfortunately be unable to adapt to the growing number of extreme climate events, like forest fires, which are hitting Quebec and other places across the planet harder and harder.

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8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Madeleine Chenette Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Madam Speaker, I want to add my voice to those offering moral support and calling on the government to support efforts to address this very unfortunate crisis in Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

In response to my hon. colleague's comments, it is clear that the climate situation is very worrisome. I would point out that Canada and our Canadian government are very involved in discussing all these elements within the Organisation for Economic Development and Co-operation, the International Energy Agency and the International Transport Forum. There are also other issues to consider, such as health. As my colleague said, we need to work together, not just by province.

Are you prepared to truly co-operate with all the provinces, to address climate change and also invest with other countries to have a single, strong voice in Canada?

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8:30 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

I would remind the member that questions are to be asked through the Chair.

The hon. member for Repentigny for a brief answer.

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8:30 p.m.

Bloc

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Madam Speaker, the Bloc Québécois is prepared to co-operate. We proved that during the election campaign. However, we want to remind this House that health is a provincial jurisdiction, so the first thing the federal government should do is increase health transfers by a lot so that Quebec can finally receive its fair share and provide better health and prevention services.

Wildfires in Manitoba and SaskatchewanEmergency Debate

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, it is a pleasure to be able to rise and address a very important national issue.

I provided a comment in my last question about how large an issue it really is. The provinces impacted by these wildland fires, as I pointed out, are British Columbia, particularly in the northeast; Alberta; Saskatchewan; Manitoba; and northwestern Ontario. There are now estimated to be over 200 fires in total, of which virtually half, 104, are out of control. It is indeed worthwhile for us to talk about and highlight, so I am glad we have the opportunity to do so and that the Speaker made the decision to allow the debate to proceed.

I should mention that I will be splitting my time with my friend and colleague from Winnipeg South.

I want to start by putting a human face to a tragedy that took place in the Lac du Bonnet area, where Richard and Sue Nowell died as a direct result of the wildfires. They were surrounded and ultimately succumbed. All members of the House of Commons, including the Prime Minister, extend condolences to the family, as I mentioned earlier, and to their friends and the community of Lac du Bonnet, which has been severely impacted, as all Manitobans have been.

I can recall first learning about it on the radio. It really painted a picture of just how harmful these fires are. We often talk about property damages, but here we have the loss of two lives, a very tragic situation. That is why when evacuation orders and so forth are issued in certain areas throughout the land, it is really important that we respect them and evacuate the communities when we are asked to by our provincial jurisdictions.

In the last few days, I recall that my colleague, the member for St. Boniface—St. Vital, had the opportunity to ask a question regarding it last week. My colleague, the member for Winnipeg South, gave a member's statement on it today. The Minister of Northern and Arctic Affairs and member for Churchill—Keewatinook Aski also addressed the issue in the House, as I have on several occasions now. It is very much a discussion that is taking place within the Manitoba caucus, as we are genuinely concerned and want to ensure that the federal government does whatever it can to support the communities being impacted, particularly the individuals being evacuated. I say that with respect to Manitoba, but obviously the same concern exists for all communities being impacted by the fires.

I had the opportunity on Sunday to visit Billy Mosienko Arena, which happens to be in Winnipeg North. It is receiving evacuees from northern Manitoba. Whether they were volunteers or others, I really appreciated what they were doing as I entered the arena. On that note, it is important that the House of Commons recognize those first responders, particularly the firefighters. As people flee the scene, as they should, firefighters go in the opposite direction, trying to get things under control. We should acknowledge what they are having to persevere in doing to try to save our communities in different ways.

When I made reference to Richard and Sue Nowell, the arena in Lac du Bonnet, from what I understand, was providing soup and sandwiches for some of the other volunteers, the RCMP officers who are watching the roads and some of the firefighters and other community members, which is what I was thinking of when I visited the Billy Mosienko Arena. When I walked in, I saw the Red Cross on one side and I believe it was the Department of Families from the Province of Manitoba on the other side. As I looked through the arena, I saw other organizations, and I thought of Khalsa Aid, which is a wonderful organization that collects money from community members and helps out in whatever way it can.

It was because of what I saw with Khalsa Aid that caused me to ask one of my Conservative friends in regard to the organizations that are out there, and there are organizations out there. Maybe there is something we can do or should be doing in working with provinces on identifying the many non-profit organizations that are out there that consistently help when a crisis surfaces. I used the example of Khalsa Aid, and I see it stepping up. Maybe there is something we can do in terms of that coordination.

In the debate we are having here this evening, a part of it is that we hope to learn something when things of this nature take place, as the minister responsible for responding to natural disasters and supporting our provinces has indicated. I believe that we will learn something from it, as we have done in the past.

In terms of humanitarian work, I can talk about the Canadian Red Cross, and we are supporting the Red Cross. There are others, such as the St. John Ambulance organization and the Salvation Army. Again, there are well-recognized Canadian institutions that are there to support the evacuees and others. Recognizing that, we can think of how we can continue to support some that we know are going to be there and look for other organizations that we know quite often do step up when natural disasters take place.

I think in terms of the Public Health Agency of Canada and how it provides support. When we talk about the needs of evacuees who come in, hopefully for shorter terms, the health agency will provide cots, blankets and pillows, among other things. I can talk about Indigenous Services Canada and how it reaches out in particular to first nations and looks at ways in which it can assist and help organize. These are the types of things in which the federal government gets directly involved.

We also have procurement that deals with watching water management. At a time of a crisis of this nature, water management is important for the dams that are out there and so forth. The Canadian Coast Guard was even participating within the province of Manitoba by contributing, I believe, one or two helicopters.

I say all of this because I really do believe that when disasters take place, there is a very strong uniting factor that brings together individuals from all across the country who will contribute, whether it is through a prayer or a financial contribution or by actually taking the time and effort to contribute in a more substantial way in terms of a physical presence. Whether it is the individuals I just listed or the many different organizations, I believe I can speak on behalf of all members in recognizing what they are doing and expressing our appreciation for the work they are doing to support evacuees, to support our local communities and to beat these wildfires.

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8:40 p.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Madam Speaker, one of the things that I noted the member did not mention was forest management practices. The forestry industry has a 100-year plan to harvest trees, and we have seen, over the years, its ability to harvest trees reduced by government action. I am wondering what the member has to say about any of that.

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8:40 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, when I think of land management types of issues, we also have to take into consideration that it is not just Ottawa working in a silo. Whenever we talk about water management or land management, there has to be a process that enables indigenous leaders, provincial governments and local municipalities to take part. I believe we are getting better at doing that. No doubt the federal government has a strong role, and we play an important role in ensuring that trees get planted and that other groups are in fact supported.

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8:40 p.m.

Bloc

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Madam Speaker, I stand in solidarity with my colleague with everything that is happening in his province. These are tough times.

I have to wonder. We saw similar events in Fort McMurray a few years ago. We saw record wildfires in 2023 in Canada. There have been emergency debates here on the issue of wildfires. We are having one again this evening, which is important. Does my hon. colleague agree that we need to have a broader debate, a real debate, on the issue of climate change and on the role of oil and gas in fuelling this climate crisis?

The reality is that this country is unfortunately not on the right path when it comes to reducing emissions. We must find ways for Canada to step up, not just with respect to adaptation, but when it comes to reducing greenhouse gas emissions. We have to get away from oil and gas quickly.

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8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I value the many contributions that are potentially there from within the House of Commons. The reason I say that is that we have numerous standing committees. I would love to see the environment and many other aspects of government public policy debated and discussed in standing committees, and at some point, they will be. I would welcome that, and I would encourage the member and other members to look at ways in which we can continue a more detailed discussion on a wide spectrum of issues that have an impact on the things we are talking about this evening.

Hopefully, that is what will occur, and maybe we will not see as much politicization as we have seen in recent years. I think there is a great deal of merit to having that ongoing discussion and debate, but that is not to preclude specific debates from taking place here.

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8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON

Madam Speaker, I want to thank my hon. colleague from Winnipeg North for his very thoughtful and compassionate comments this evening. I always feel that I learn a lot whenever I hear him speak.

My comment and my question is around community resilience. I would love to hear from him what he believes we are doing, from a community resilience perspective, in those communities that have been impacted by the wildfire situation, perhaps in the past and perhaps right now and ongoing. What is the work that he feels we need to do in this particular area?

Wildfires in Manitoba and SaskatchewanEmergency Debate

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, when disasters of this nature occur, I think the most important thing we can do as a government is demonstrate that we care about what is happening within the community. One of the ways we can do that was shown when Wab Kinew, the Premier of Manitoba, made the call asking for some assistance from the forces. Within 24 hours, we had the Canadian Forces on the ground. That was something that was real and in the public eye. It demonstrates to the community members who are striving to improve conditions that governments are working together and trying their very best to get the job done.

Wildfires in Manitoba and SaskatchewanEmergency Debate

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Madam Speaker, I rise today to speak to the wildfire crisis taking place in the heart of our country. The raging fires in my home province of Manitoba and across the Prairies are displacing thousands of residents, destroying homes and infrastructure, and threatening the very safety of our communities, but as we face this crisis, we are also seeing something extraordinary: the strength and resilience of our communities and citizens coming together in support of one another.

First and foremost, I want to express my heartfelt gratitude to the first responders, firefighters, paramedics and Canadian Armed Forces personnel who have been working tirelessly to protect lives and property. These brave men and women are on the front lines, selflessly putting their safety at risk. The work they are doing is nothing short of heroic, and we owe them an enormous debt of gratitude. Equally inspiring is the response from our communities. Local organizations, neighbours and volunteers have come together in a way that speaks to the very best of who we are as Canadians. From organizing shelter and food for evacuees to providing emotional support for those affected, Manitobans are showing incredible compassion and solidarity.

I want to take a moment to also give thanks to the groups, associations and individuals who have stepped up in my hometown of Winnipeg and across Manitoba as we face this crisis. There are many powerful examples that showcase who we are as Winnipeggers and Manitobans. The Winnipeg Humane Society, for instance, has set up a temporary shelter for evacuees with pets. This facility, located at the St. Norbert Community Centre in my home riding of Winnipeg South, opened today and will be a vital support for families with pets.

The Manitoba Métis Federation has opened a command centre to support evacuees with donations and supplies while also coordinating volunteers to transport those who have been displaced, provide temporary housing and prepare hot meals. The Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs has also mobilised quickly, establishing a donation centre at the RBC Convention Centre in Winnipeg to collect supplies for evacuees.

There are community centres, along with university and college campuses. My riding is the home of the University of Winnipeg and a number of technical colleges. These facilities across Canada have also contributed by providing shelter and safe spaces for those who have been displaced.

It is through the amazing efforts of these groups, and countless others across Manitoba, that we are reminded of the power of community, the importance of unity and the unwavering commitment to helping one another in times of crisis. As of today, more than 17,000 people have been evacuated from their homes. In some cases, entire communities have been evacuated. In northern Manitoba, Flin Flon, Lynn Lake, Pukatawagan, Pimicikamak Cree Nation and Poplar River have been some of the hardest hit.

On Wednesday, Premier Wab Kinew from Manitoba asked for federal assistance to deal with the wildfire crisis, and Prime Minister Carney immediately agreed.

Wildfires in Manitoba and SaskatchewanEmergency Debate

8:45 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member knows better.

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8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Madam Speaker, I am sorry. That was a rookie mistake, made by a 10-year veteran.

The Canadian Armed Forces have now been deployed in the province to help with evacuations, and thousands of firefighters and other personnel are on the ground and in the air doing their best to protect people and property.

We have seen other communities across Canada face similar crises. The town of Jasper, Alberta, suffered a devastating wildfire in July 2024. Tragically, one-third of the town burned to the ground. Families were forced to flee, some now without homes or businesses to go back to. Jasper's experience reminds us that no region is immune to the growing threat of wildfires, and it underscores the urgent need for long-term solutions related to fire prevention and building community resiliency.

In the aftermath of the Jasper fire, the Government of Canada provided vital assistance to allow the town to recover and rebuild, and that is a work in progress. A significant portion of that support has been dedicated to strengthening wildfire response and recovery efforts within Jasper National Park, enhancing the region's ability to respond to future emergencies. Furthermore, the funding has supported new initiatives to help local businesses reconnect with their customers, retain their workforce and revitalize Jasper's vital tourism economy.

Jasper's experience serves as a powerful reminder of what is possible when all governments work together, and perhaps provides a model we can look to as we confront the growing wildfire emergencies across Manitoba and the Prairies.

Today, our government, alongside our provincial counterparts in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, announced that we will match all individual donations to the Canadian Red Cross to provide emergency shelter, food and essential supplies to those impacted by wildfires. We are deeply grateful to the Red Cross and to all its volunteers, who are there for us in difficult times like today.

This disaster is a stark reminder of the growing threat posed by climate change. Wildfires, like those we are seeing in Manitoba, are becoming more frequent, more intense and harder to predict. We must adapt to this new reality. This means strengthening our fire prevention efforts and investing in emergency preparedness, and doing more to help communities prepare, adapt and recover from these disasters. This is why our Prime Minister has created a new ministry in government and named a very able Minister of Emergency Management and Community Resilience from the province of Alberta.

I know all of us in the House are thinking of those torn from their communities, some who have lost their homes and businesses. By virtue of this debate tonight, we are letting them know that we are thinking of them. We are thinking not only of their needs today, but also of what we need to do tomorrow to build resilient communities that provide for their safety and quality of life in the future.

I want to thank the hon. member for Winnipeg Centre for requesting this emergency debate tonight so we could prove that point.

Wildfires in Manitoba and SaskatchewanEmergency Debate

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Parkland, AB

Madam Speaker, I know the member is very sincere. All of our hearts are with the evacuees, but some of the words from the Liberal government ring hollow when it comes to talking about lessons learned from these wildfires. An iPolitics article from the 2021 election, stated:

Trudeau said a re-elected Liberal government would spend $500 million to train and equip 1,000 new firefighters across the country, who would be ready to spring into action before the next wildfire season. The money would also buy equipment such as water bombers and helicopters.

We know that did not happen by the next wildfire season, and it has now been four years since then. Can the member, who is part of the Liberal government, tell us how many helicopters and water bombers the government has bought since that promise was made in 2021?

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8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Madam Speaker, I would put a question back to the hon. member. Climate change is real. We have to adapt and learn from the various experiences that are taking place across the country, whether that be in Fort McMurray, Jasper or Manitoba.

We do need to beef up our forces. We need to train more firefighters. We need more water bombers. We need to work together to make those things happen.

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8:55 p.m.

Bloc

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Madam Speaker, like my colleague, we stand in solidarity with the evacuees and everyone affected by the disaster. We have offered our condolences to the families who have lost loved ones in these tragic circumstances.

My question is this. What more could my colleague's government be doing to fight climate change? What measures can it put in place to limit climate change? Could it be doing more?

Wildfires in Manitoba and SaskatchewanEmergency Debate

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Madam Speaker, I had the honour, very briefly, to be the Minister of Environment and Climate Change, and I was also the parliamentary secretary for four years. We had one of the most aggressive climate change plans in the world, an emission reduction plan. We were on track to make our 2030 targets, and we will continue to fight climate change while growing a robust economy.

Wildfires in Manitoba and SaskatchewanEmergency Debate

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Marianne Dandurand Liberal Compton—Stanstead, QC

Madam Speaker, I want to acknowledge my colleague from Winnipeg South for his involvement in the environment, climate change and water quality. He is very involved in all these issues.

I want to come back to what my other colleague was saying. What is the government doing to ensure Canada's long-term resilience with respect to climate change, which is having a growing impact not just in Manitoba, but across Canada, in all sorts of ways, including fires and floods?

What action is the government taking on this?

Wildfires in Manitoba and SaskatchewanEmergency Debate

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Madam Speaker, I welcome the new member to the House.

We do have a national adaptation plan in light of this new normal we are experiencing from coast to coast to coast. We know we are going to see more wildfires. We are going to see more droughts. We are going to see more extremes in weather. It is certainly my view and, I believe, the view of the government that we have to beef up those adaptation plans and prepare our communities for the future.

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8:55 p.m.

Conservative

Chak Au Conservative Richmond Centre—Marpole, BC

Madam Speaker, Canada is burning again. Over 200 wildfires are active right now. Many are out of control. In Manitoba, more than 17,000 people have been forced to flee. The entire city of Flin Flon has been evacuated. Thick smoke is choking towns and cities across the Prairies and drifting into the United States.

Every year, the government says it has a plan, that there are lessons we will learn, that next time will be better, but here we are again. The fires are getting worse. The seasons are starting earlier and lasting longer. I ask the government this: What lessons has it really learned and what has it done differently to protect Canadians this time? It is time to stop reacting and stop—

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9 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Winnipeg South.

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9 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Madam Speaker, as I said in my remarks, it really is a sight to behold, that four orders of government are working together. We are working together seamlessly to battle these once-in-a-century wildfires. We are doing our best under very extenuating circumstances, but obviously we need to improve those efforts in the future.

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June 3rd, 2025 / 9 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Parkland, AB

Madam Speaker, I will be splitting my time with the member for Provencher.

Conservatives stand in solidarity with those who have been devastated by the wildfires. We know this is happening across the country, but it is particularly bad in the Prairies right now. We have almost 200 active wildfires, and over half of them are out of control. I want to thank the first responders, all those who are aiding the evacuees, and those who have opened their doors in Brandon, Winnipeg, Saskatoon and communities all across our country. They are stepping up to support our fellow Canadians, who are undergoing probably the worst time in their lives.

Yesterday, in my riding, we did receive some positive news regarding the community of Yellowhead County, part of which I represent. There was an evacuation in the hamlet of Peers, and as of noon today, those families are able to return to their community, so that is some positive news here.

I want to thank the first responders who worked in my riding, including the contractors and the Cat crews who work day and night to protect these small communities from the wildfire threat. I want to particularly thank Albert Bahri from Yellowhead County Protective Services and Wendell Pozniak from Alberta Wildfire Coordination Centre for their professionalism during this crisis.

I also want to give a special shout-out to the team at Canadian National Railway. I am told that if it were not for the work of the Neptune firefighting trains stopping the fire at the train tracks just south of the hamlet of Peers, we would have lost the community, so I thank CN.

I also want to share a message from Yellowhead County mayor, Wade Williams. Wade was telling me that, time and time again, during emergencies, there are those who take advantage of the situation. We have seen across Canada a bad side in this country. We have seen those who will go into communities while the residents are evacuated, and loot. We have seen people steal emergency equipment. We have seen people tamper with hoses and water pumps, and this most recent fire was no exception. This is unacceptable activity, and we need serious penalties for those who would commit these crimes.

It is timely that Mayor Williams would bring this up to me today because, back in 2017, my colleague from Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies brought forward a private member's bill to strengthen criminal penalties for those who would steal or tamper with emergency equipment during emergencies. Shamefully, this private member's bill was voted down by the majority Liberal government at the time.

The government needs to start taking this issue seriously. The one message that the mayor asked me to bring to the House of Commons is that we need stronger penalties for those who would take advantage and risk our communities. He told me that when firefighters discovered that the hoses and pumps on the sprinkler systems were dismantled, they had to go into an active fire situation and risk their lives to get them put back together, so this is putting lives at risk.

I want to talk about something that our federal government needs to start doing. We are not powerless in the face of these wildfires, as much as it may seem so. As I said earlier, in a question back in 2021, former prime minister Trudeau, during the election, went to British Columbia and promised that his government would spend $500 million by the next wildfire season, which would have been 2022, to train 1,000 new firefighters and to buy water bombers and helicopters. The Liberals did not achieve that by the next wildfire-fighting season. It was not even close.

It has been four years now, and I asked a member of the government today how many water bombers and how many helicopters the Liberals have bought since they made that promise in 2021. The member could not answer, because the number is zero. When we talk about lessons learned, we know that the government needs to make investments in preparing our communities and supporting our community with the trained firefighters and equipment that they need to fight these fires.

Last year, in the wake of the devastating Jasper forest fire, we saw the consequences of failure to manage our national forests. Nearly a decade ago, forestry experts like Ken Hodges and Emile Begin wrote to senior public servants and the minister of environment, urging them to fundamentally change their approach to forest management. Their knowledge and expertise were ignored. A century of fire suppression allowed dry deadwood to build up in the park, and the pine beetle epidemic added to this risk.

Now, in this role as emergency management critic, I am grateful to have met with a range of stakeholders, including somebody who shares my name. Dane de Souza is a Métis fire expert from Alberta who has told us about the importance of indigenous land stewardship. One only needs to look at photographs of what Jasper looked like over 100 years ago. It was not this endless swath of lodgepole pine; it was a mixture of forest and grasslands. The indigenous people, Dane was telling me, used to engage in prescribed burns. They found it was a very effective technique to open up new areas of the forest and protect from massive forest fires.

We need to look seriously at implementing some of this indigenous knowledge again in our Parks Canada plan, to ensure we are actively managing our forests in a way that recognizes this knowledge that goes back to time immemorial. Parks Canada needs to reform its forest management practices, because we know mountain communities like Jasper and Banff are still at risk, along with all communities that border our national parks.

As the Conservative shadow minister for emergency management, I get to meet industry and community stakeholders every day who are committed to advancing our nation's mitigation and management capabilities. The federal government, in partnership with all levels of government, needs to do everything it can do to promote Canada's ability to respond to natural disasters, both here at home and abroad.

I talk about some of our champions in the private sector, namely the forestry sector. The forestry sector is at the front lines of battling wildfires. They have a 100-year plan, as one of my colleagues said. They know how to manage forests properly to prevent these forest fires from taking place, but unfortunately they have told me there is some legislation in place under the federal government, the Species at Risk Act, which is a good act and has an important purpose but in some ways can lead to indirect consequences.

When those indirect consequences lead to the prevention of forestry management that can prevent wildfires, it leads to cases where we see these huge wildfires. We can all agree in the House that having no forests is very destructive to wildlife, and not only to wildlife but also to our communities. Canada is a global leader in disaster management practices and technology. We need a federal government that will partner with the private sector to enhance our ability to respond.

I name De Havilland, a well-known aircraft company that is now based outside of Calgary, Alberta. They are a world leader in aerial firefighting, the best in the business, and their water bombers are recognized around the world. Unfortunately, Canada is not buying any of these water bombers, and their orders are now backlogged. They are sending their orders to Europe and other countries instead. We need some of that production to come here, to Canada.

There is Coulson Aviation, out of Port Alberni, British Columbia. They equip both rotary and fixed-wing aircraft with firefighting capabilities, and they are the first company in the world to convert a commercial airliner, a Boeing 737, into a firefighting tanker. This is truly impressive. We have innovative companies at all levels, small and medium-sized enterprises, that hold tremendous promise for putting out fires.

There are folks like Rick Solomon, with Firefox in my area, with his canola oil-based polymer. It is mixed 99% with water and can put out fires more effectively than traditional retardants. I have actually put this product on my bare hands and taken a blowtorch to my hand. It was quite a sight, but I did not feel a thing. It is truly fascinating technology. I spoke to Rick, and unfortunately he has had to move to Montana because of the red tape that has been created in this country. They are selling 15 million home firefighting kits to people in California, where they are actually spraying their homes with this product to protect their houses from wildfire. Sadly, we are not getting these products here in Canada, even though they are being made by Canadians.

We also have companies out of Acheson, Alberta, in my riding, like Wall Genics, which has products that wrap power poles and expand when put in contact with fire, protecting critical infrastructure and saving communities millions in damage. I have seen first-hand the effectiveness of this technology in Jasper. They also have innovative technology like mythril mesh, which is being adopted for construction and can be retrofitted to residences to protect them from wildfire.

Sadly, companies like Wall Genics have once again been victims of the federal government's excessive red tape. Their company treats lumber with copper borate solution, which repels termites. We can buy this treated lumber from the United States, but Canada's Pest Management Regulatory Agency, PMRA, will not let us manufacture it here in Canada. The reason I am bringing this up in the context of this debate is that copper borate-treated lumber is also a very good fire-retardant material. We cannot manufacture it here in Canada, yet we can import it from the United States.

I also want to give a shout-out to organizations like Civil Protection Youth Canada, the Ontario Corps and the Nova Scotia Guard. These are the kinds of innovative public-private partnerships and non-profit groups we need to be supporting as a federal government and as Canadians, because we need more civilians to get involved in taking control of their destiny in terms of firefighter management.

We need a whole-of-government approach with the private sector, government and non-profits in order to defeat these wildfires and protect our communities. I am thankful for the opportunity to speak today.

Wildfires in Manitoba and SaskatchewanEmergency Debate

9:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, the member tries to give the impression that the previous government did not do anything in regard to fire suppression. Take a look at the province of Manitoba alone. It was given just under $40 million to purchase fire equipment to suppress wildfires, yet the member tries to give the impression that the government has not done anything or given tax breaks or direct support for firefighter training.

Does the member not recognize that he might be somewhat misleading with some of the information? I suspect that if we were to do some fact checks on some of the things he has just stated, there might be some questions that would come out of that, too.