House of Commons Hansard #97 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was c-9.

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Jail Not Bail Act Second reading of Bill C-242. The bill, C-242, proposes amending the Criminal Code to tighten the bail system. Conservatives argue it prioritizes public safety by removing the principle of restraint to combat crime. Conversely, Liberal and Bloc members oppose the legislation, arguing it is duplicative of Bill C-14, potentially unconstitutional, and ignores the operational realities of provincial resources. 7300 words, 45 minutes.

Combatting Hate Act Report stage of Bill C-9. The bill aims to combat hate crimes by reforming the Criminal Code. Conservatives, led by Larry Brock, oppose removing a long-standing religious defence, arguing it threatens free speech and religious expression. Conversely, Government members maintain the legislation is necessary to address rising hate while upholding legal protections. The Bloc Québécois supports removing the exemption, contending that religion should not provide a shield to publicly promote hatred against identifiable groups. 40700 words, 6 hours in 3 segments: 1 2 3.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives highlight a shrinking economy and massive full-time job losses. They condemn out-of-control taxes and RCMP officer shortages amidst rising violent crime. The party advocates for a tariff-free auto pact and their national jobs plan, while criticizing student permit fraud and failed trade negotiations.
The Liberals express condolences for the LaGuardia airport accident while touting Canada’s economic resilience. They defend their G7 record, support for Algoma Steel workers, and investments in Arctic defense. Additionally, they highlight strengthening bail laws, hiring new RCMP officers, and the assault-style firearms compensation program.
The Bloc opposes the federal challenge to state secularism and defends the notwithstanding clause as vital for Quebec's autonomy. They also demand an independent public inquiry into massive IT cost overruns and repeated software disasters.
The NDP criticizes undelivered flood mitigation funding for the Sumas Prairie, leaving food production and infrastructure at risk.

Petitions

Amendments to Bill C-8 Kevin Lamoureux raises a point of order questioning whether three Conservative amendments to Bill C-8 exceed the bill's scope, while other members debate the procedural validity of challenging committee rulings at this stage. 500 words.

Adjournment Debate - Industry Greg McLean accuses the government of complicity in the failed Lion Electric venture, demanding transparency on Export Development Canada's financial liability. Andrew Scheer and Arpan Khanna criticize Liberal carbon taxes and economic policies for rising food and fertilizer costs. Wade Grant defends government programs and investments, citing overall economic resilience. 3900 words, 25 minutes.

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5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON

Mr. Speaker, as it has been said in the House by a number of us, the volume of emails and phone calls we have been receiving from people urging us to oppose Bill C-9 is astronomical. I have one in front of me from a man named Brandon. He said removing the religious defence creates serious concerns for Canadians of any and all faiths and religions who believe the freedom to teach and practise their religion in good faith should remain clearly protected.

That man lives in Winnipeg North, but he did not feel like his call would fall on anything but deaf ears with the member across the way, so he reached out to us, and I am very grateful for that.

My colleague from Manitoba has heard these same messages. What stands out to him about what Canadians think about the government and its priorities on freedom of expression, or the lack thereof?

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5:30 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from London for the hard work he has been doing in talking to Canadians across this country to ensure that they understand what is happening in the House.

When I talk to constituents and people from across the province, they are not aware of Bill C-9. If we were not out there speaking about it and if we were not out there communicating via email and social media, and making sure that we were posting online, they would not know about it. That is the only way for people to understand that their religious freedom and civil liberties are eroding because of the Liberals.

The great danger in any country is when a government starts to take small bites out of our civil liberties. At the end of it, we are left with nothing.

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5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the member's comments, and I appreciate him acknowledging that Canadians need to pay attention to this debate.

It is interesting, because Canadians should know that the debate we are currently having in the House is on the removal of a short title. Constituents within the riding of Waterloo would want to know what was so appalling about the short title that the Conservatives chose to remove the reasoned amendment they had put on notice, which members were prepared to debate. This morning, the Conservative House leader came in, removed the reasoned amendment that the Conservatives had supposedly put thought and process into, and chose to replace that substantial debate with one on removing the short title.

I would like to hear from the member what was so wrong with the reasoned amendment that we are debating the removal of a short title.

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March 23rd, 2026 / 5:30 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Mr. Speaker, that was dealt with through unanimous consent, but we are not debating just the short title. That has been dealt with. What we are talking about is how the Liberals, on page two, would repeal paragraph 319(3)(b) of the Criminal Code—

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5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Maybe it would be suitable for us to be reminded of what the debate taking place right now is on. Clearly, that—

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5:30 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

That is not a point of order. It is a matter of debate. Actually, it is very easy to look at the screens in the chamber, which say what the debate is about.

I will let the member finish in 12 seconds or less.

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5:30 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate that clarification from the member for Waterloo, because we are talking about report stage. We are talking about the amendments that were made, and that it is repealing section 319(3.1) and 3(b) of the act, which is the area that provides—

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5:35 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

Resuming debate, the hon. member for Swift Current—Grasslands—Kindersley.

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5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Swift Current—Grasslands—Kindersley, SK

Mr. Speaker, it is always an honour and a privilege to rise on behalf of the great people of southwest and west central Saskatchewan. Before I begin though, I just want to give a quick shout-out to my daughter's U13 girls' hockey team. The Colts had a great series against the girls from the Big River First Nation Rangers. My daughter's team was victorious this time, two games to one. I want to commend all the parents and all the fans who came down from Big River for game three on Sunday as well. It is a very long trek from there, so I do appreciate them putting the effort to come on in and support their team. It is a great team. We look forward to a series against Moose Jaw, just down the highway, to find out who are the consolation bracket winners of the U13 girls' hockey league in Saskatchewan. We are not playing for the championship, but it does not matter. There are games to be played, and we hope they win.

Today, we are debating yet another Liberal censorship bill, Bill C-9. Sadly, this is not the first time we have had to fight against censorship from government overreach by these Liberals. Considering that this new threat of censorship is directed against religious groups, it means we are getting to something that deeply affects people's lives. We need to be clear about what we have in mind if there are going to be changes to the law removing protection for people's views of religion or spirituality.

Faith shapes the world view and conscience of both individuals and communities that seek to live their lives accordingly. In this way, faith is more than an accessory or disposable part of people's lives. Too often, that is how some people who might be non-religious and do not have personal experience in this area try to reduce it down. There is a lot more involved than outward participation in social activities, cultural practices or celebrating holidays. For the believer, faith is an essential part of living their life publicly and privately, and it is a matter of personal integrity. This seems to be what the government is trampling over. It is bringing in a censorship bill, and while doing so, it is shutting down our debate to rush it through.

Even though the government is trying to silence Canadians and stop debate, I am honoured to be able to speak to Bill C-9 and bring a voice to the many people who have reached out to my office to express their deep concerns and frustrations with the Liberal government and its continued efforts to divide the Canadian public and achieve its political goal, which is ultimately to rule over every group and institution of this vast country.

I would like to go back to the foundations of this very country. Sir Samuel Tilley, who was one of the founding fathers of the Confederation, was reading his Bible back in 1864. He was reading from Psalm 72, which is known for verse 8, which states, “May he rule from sea to sea, [and] the river to the ends of the earth.” This passage, of course, is the inspiration for the inscription on the Peace Tower, which says, “He shall have dominion...from sea to sea.”

This is not written about the Prime Minister having dominion as much as he would like it to be. No, it is about King David who wrote it about his son Solomon, who was the incoming king, but it is widely regarded as being written about God's kingdom on earth. This is about recognizing that God has dominion over Canada. It is God who blesses this country. It is God who appoints rulers and leaders, and yes, even Liberal ones. If we uphold this idea, we will realize that this means there is a higher source of truth and goodness standing above human governments that frequently go astray. Otherwise, we are left alone to suffer under those who are powerful on earth, trying to abuse their power to control, exploit and impose their agenda on vulnerable people.

Psalm 72 ends with verses 18 and 19, which say:

Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel, who alone does wondrous things. Blessed be his glorious name forever; may his glory fill the whole earth. Amen and Amen. The prayers of David, son of Jesse are ended.

When Canada created its own coat of arms in 1921, there are Latin words that are inscribed on the bottom of it. I am not going to try to cite them because I will say it very wrong. I do not want to do that. Those Latin words mean dominion from sea to sea, which is a tip of the cap to Psalm 72 once again. Along with our motto, government documents officially refer to our country as the dominion of Canada, making a clear connection with the original verse from scripture, but the Liberals started to neglect this title. Eventually, the first Trudeau made a point of erasing it after changing the Constitution.

The founders and builders of Canada recognized that our nation would be built on biblical values and that God would be the cornerstone of our nation.

John Diefenbaker, the great former prime minister from Saskatchewan, famously said:

I am Canadian, a free Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship God in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I [think is] wrong, free to choose those who [shall] govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind.

He made that statement, and he passed the Canadian Bill of Rights long before the charter came along. He clearly understood the close relationship between freedom and faith, which helps us understand that God is the source of our human dignity and rights.

It is because of that that we know there are moral absolutes and we have learned how to clearly choose right from wrong. Even people who are not from a faith background recognize that respecting human rights does not depend on human opinions or the views of dictators and tyrants.

Following Diefenbaker, Lester Pearson's preferred flag for Canada had two blue bars on either side of the red maple leaf. These blue bars also represented from sea to sea, which would have been a public display and recognition, once again, that God has dominion from sea to sea. Even though the sidebars are red, I would argue that it still stands for the dominion of God from sea to sea over Canada.

The charter that the Liberals love to pretend to support begins:

Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:

Do colleagues know who worked to create that document and whose signature is down at the bottom? It was none other than Pierre Elliott Trudeau, yet with the way things are going today, he probably would not be Liberal enough for the current government, which has somehow become even more radical than the government was back then.

Since the Liberal government has been in power, it has done everything to erase and eliminate its founding principles. Colleagues who do not agree with me should just look at its track record. One of the more famous anti-Christian policies that was put in place was for organizations to affirm the radical left Liberal viewpoint with the Canada summer job attestation. It was a values test, and it was an attack on many summer camps, food banks and other community organizations because they might happen to have a different moral value set than the Liberal government. Despite the uproar and push back from many organizations and groups, this ridiculous policy, which has no benefit to hiring summer students, remained.

The government's treatment of faith-based organizations under its far left, death cult MAID regime forced a hospice to close. A place taking care of elderly people on their deathbeds was forced to close because it chose to uphold the dignity and value of life, in accordance with the very values that this country was founded on, rather than offer death.

Then there are the constant threats of the Liberals to revoke the charitable status of faith-based organizations. There are many organizations that work to provide clothing, food, diapers and supplies to vulnerable mothers who are pregnant or have newborn babies, yet the Liberals have repeatedly campaigned on an ideological crusade to shut these places down because of their religious or moral beliefs. They work to attack parental rights when they pass a law with an overly broad definition that would criminalize conversations with their children or raising their family according to their religious values.

There are many other examples from the government that have led to an erosion of trust by Canadians. Worse yet, it has given social licence for thugs and anti-Semitic people to terrorize places of worship, day cares and schools for simply being Jewish organizations. Then there are the church burnings. Over 120 churches have been burned in the last five years without a single objection from the government.

The Liberals' anti-faith agenda has spilled over to the police not pressing charges and prosecution not proceeding. Clearly, they have never been serious about fighting crimes like this or dealing with the riots. Instead, they are trying to score points with problematic bills, such as Bill C-9.

It was the former chair of the justice committee, before he was put back in cabinet, who made some troubling remarks about the Bible. While working to remove an exemption for good-faith religious belief, he said:

I don't understand how the concept of good faith could be invoked if someone were literally invoking a passage from, in this case, the Bible, though there are other religious texts that say the same thing [and] somehow [say that] in good faith? Clearly, there are situations in these texts where statements are hateful.

Ironically, he expressed his own interpretation of the Bible and apparently wants to have that worked into the law. He clearly does not understand that people who follow biblical teaching are not hateful and that they actually believe in loving everyone. Besides that, how else are we supposed to understand that? Clearly, in this case, he suggested that what Christians believe is hateful and should be something that should be legally prosecuted.

Despite the strong concerns of many churches, as well as other religious groups, are we really supposed to leave it to the Minister of Justice's assurances that we should just trust him? That would mean ignoring what his fellow minister said about the Bible, and that is not a responsible way to write laws in what is supposed to be a free country.

With another Liberal censorship bill, Bill C-11 we saw a previous heritage minister flip-flop on whether the government would require licensing for media and journalists. Canadians cannot trust the Liberal government to get this right, and that is why we stand opposed to this bill here today.

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5:40 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Mr. Speaker, the member had a point of order earlier. He was concerned about the same old members asking questions, and he really wanted a question from the MP for Waterloo, so here I am asking a question on behalf of constituents from the riding of Waterloo, who think this is important legislation. I agree.

We have received many emails regarding this legislation from all sides. It is a true diversity of perspectives. They know it is an important debate to have. There was a question posed about a reasoned amendment that was placed on notice. Rather than debating that reasoned amendment, the Conservative House leader came in this morning and changed the debate. Now we are debating the removal of the short title. The Conservatives are suggesting that that is not the debate, but that is the debate that we are having.

I would like to hear from the member what he has against the short title and why we are not debating the reasoned amendment.

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5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Swift Current—Grasslands—Kindersley, SK

Mr. Speaker, we are here to debate some of the amendments to the bill. We are not debating the actual short title. I just want to get that clear.

I have received many emails from my constituents, just like the member has, and every single email I have received has said to please vote against this terrible piece of legislation. They have made it abundantly clear that is what they want to do, and so I am happy to be able to stand hopefully later today and later this week to vote against this bill.

I thank the member for standing up and having somebody other than the member for Winnipeg North asking a question. I appreciate her bringing something different to this debate today.

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5:45 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to hear my colleague’s opinion on the two interpretive provisions that were added to the bill in order to address certain concerns. Here is what is clearly stated in one of those provisions:...nothing in subsection 319(2) or (2.‍2) of the Criminal Code shall be construed as prohibiting a person from communicating a statement on a matter of public interest, including an educational, religious, political or scientific statement made in the course of a discussion, publication or debate, if they do not wilfully promote hatred against an identifiable group by communicating the statement.

Does that not reassure my colleague?

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5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Swift Current—Grasslands—Kindersley, SK

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate any of the language that was added through the committee phase to try to make this terrible bill less bad. I am appreciative of that amendment.

The problem still remains that we have a government that continues to attack faith-based communities. When we see legislation like this, as I alluded to in my speech, it gives social licence to thugs to target synagogues, churches and schools. We just saw in the newspaper yesterday that another church was burned to the ground, and nothing is being done about this.

Conservatives have tried to move other motions and introduce bills to try to protect those churches, but we see the government vote against them. It is about the signal that the government is sending to people, and that is why people are united in their opposition of what the government is trying to do with Bill C-9.

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5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Mr. Speaker, my colleague did a great job of highlighting the Christian heritage of Parliament in Canada and the dominion from sea to sea and the many references that are in this place.

I have been hearing from Christians across the country who know me, Christians in my own church, about the threats of Bill C-9 to freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

What is the consensus in Canada around Bill C-9? Is it a threat to freedom of speech and freedom of religion in Canada?

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5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Swift Current—Grasslands—Kindersley, SK

Mr. Speaker, yes, absolutely. Overwhelmingly, the people of Canada are opposed to what the government is trying to do with this. People recognize that it historically has been the case, and today it still continues to be the case, that churches provide a lot of the much-needed social assistance for people.

Anything that the government is going to do to make life more difficult for those churches is going to be very problematic. Any faith-based organization that might be criminalized because of something they might say or because of a belief they hold, because of the text in the Bible or of any other religious text, is going to restrict their ability to offer services to people, which is going to be problematic. It is going to be Canadians, particularly vulnerable Canadians, who are going to lose out from that. This is on top of all the racket, rioting and violence we are seeing on the streets that nothing is being done about because these guys over here on the other side of the aisle just do not seem to care about getting things right.

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5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies, BC

Mr. Speaker, it is always an honour to rise in this House as the elected representative for Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies, a part of this country that is known for its significant place and time in Canadian history. Craigellachie in the middle of the Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies is the place where in 1885 the last spike was driven on the Canadian Pacific Railway, uniting this country from coast to coast to coast. I mention this because it was a time when Canadians were united across this country because of a vision of a Conservative leader and a willing private sector. It was a time of great building and of great accomplishments, not a time of division.

I want to put this question to all Canadians who are listening out there. What would be more concerning than a Liberal government promoting a bill that would remove the exemption that ensures that clergy of any faith would not be found guilty for quoting religious books like the Bible, the Torah or the Quran? What is more concerning is the Liberal government's introducing this programming motion that would limit the debate in this House and limit the ability for Canadians to have influence on how and what legislation gets passed that would continue and control their futures. The Liberals have abused their powers to limit debate, limiting word changes and limiting amendments. Even reading of amendments being voted on was not permitted at committee.

This has amounted to the Liberals' censoring debate of a censorship bill. They have used their parliamentary strong arm to shut down debate with respect to Bill C-9, shutting down our voices as members of this House representing the voices of millions of Canadians of faith who have sent letters and submitted countless petitions all against what the Liberals would do in Bill C-9 and calling on the government to reject Bill C-9.

Prior to the amendments put forward by the Bloc and supported by the Liberals, clergy were exempted from being charged with hate speech for simply quoting texts in holy books. Changes in Bill C-9, such as the removal of the religious defence for wilfully promoting hate, would make it easier for people to be prosecuted for expressing sincerely held religious and political views, and would create ambiguity in a law where clarity is needed now more than ever. As Conservatives, we believe that hate is real and must be addressed, but it has festered under the current Liberal government.

The divisions in Canada have never before reached the point where they are now, after 10 years and more of Liberal government and the divisive policies of the current government. Canada already has bans on hate symbols and for obstructing access to a house of worship, making parts of Bill C-9 redundant. In fact, Conservative members offered to split Bill C-9 into two parts to swiftly pass the uncontentious sections of the legislation, but the Liberals rejected this. They took the easy way out by teaming up with the Bloc to attack freedom of expression and religious freedom. This bill and this debate are not about whether faith leaders should be free to spread hate; no one should be allowed to do that. They are about how hate is defined and how the law is applied.

On December 9, 2025, at the justice committee, the Liberals and the Bloc voted to remove Criminal Code paragraphs 319(3)(b) and paragraph 319(3.1)(b), which say that individuals cannot be prosecuted for wilful promotion of hatred if they are expressing “in good faith....an argument or opinion on a religious subject or...based on a belief in a religious text”.

This is the troublesome part of this version of Bill C-9, which the Liberals are now pushing through with their programming motion. Calls to incite hatred or violence, whether cloaked in religion or not, are already illegal and not subject to the religious defence that Bill C-9 now removes. Religious communities, including the Jewish community, Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists, hold a vast range of beliefs on religion, morality, sexuality, politics and culture. Though some may find these beliefs objectionable, old-fashioned or even hateful, a free country does not criminalize expression of sincere religious beliefs.

What is also really troubling in the bill is that the former justice committee chair said in committee on October 31 that there was “clear hatred” in some books of the Bible and Torah, singling out Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Romans.

The minister said:

Clearly, there are situations in these texts where statements are hateful. They should not be used to invoke...or be a defence.

He said that prosecutors should be able to press charges. He meant pressing charges for someone quoting sacred text.

The Supreme Court has recognized the religious defence as necessary to keep Canada's hate speech laws constitutional, because of how crucial freedom of expression and freedom of religion are.

The Liberals have tried to restrict what people can say through numerous pieces of legislation, including the online harms act, Bill C-63 in the previous Parliament, which they have committed to reintroducing in this Parliament.

We have seen, for over 10 years, that they simply cannot be trusted to draft legislation that is in the best interests of Canadian freedoms. In fact, they are still not accepting the court ruling that they actually broke the law when they invoked the Emergencies Act.

If there is one thing I have learned in my 10-plus years in the House, it is that when the Liberals say to trust them, it is time to take a closer look at what they are saying. They have repeatedly shut down debate and even gone as far as shutting down Parliament when they were caught pushing ideological agendas that were not in the best interests of Canadians.

I mentioned earlier the time when the country was united by a railway and a vision of leadership. Unfortunately, over the past 10 years, now going on 11, we are seeing a country that is divided by Liberal ideologies and a lack of hope for what the country could be.

We do see them picking up some of the best Conservative policies and platform ideas, but too often those policies and platform ideas are watered down to the point of irrelevance or blocked by existing Liberal laws. I can only caution Canadians, and especially the Liberal government, against trying to limit the freedoms of Canadians. That is what our veterans fought for, our freedoms in this country, and I urge all Canadians to do all we can to maintain the freedoms that we have here in Canada.

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5:55 p.m.

Liberal

John-Paul Danko Liberal Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas, ON

Mr. Speaker, throughout this discussion this afternoon, I have been trying to understand what the Conservative objection to the combatting hate act actually is. The best I can tell is that they are asking for freedom from accountability, basically. In the bill, hate is defined as detestation or vilification. We have seen white nationalist rallies, public symbols of hate, the growth of white supremacist clubs, the diminishment of reproductive rights for women, anti-abortion hate, hate against women, hate against LGBTQ individuals, hate against trans individuals, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia—

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6 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Not only is the member delving into misinformation, but he is saying things that will bring the House into disorder, by saying things that are patently untrue. He should withdraw and apologize. It is disgusting.

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6 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

I was listening to what the member was saying, and I have not heard anything that was unparliamentary so far in his statement. I will let the member finish his questions and comments.

The hon. member for Dartmouth—Cole Harbour is rising on the same point of order.

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6 p.m.

Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Mr. Speaker, I also heard some comment on the other side saying, “You are a disgrace,” to the member. I would ask that they also, whoever said that, retract that statement, because it is unparliamentary.

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6 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

I am just going to take a moment with the clerks, so I can get clarity on something because I did not hear everything that was being said. There were so many members speaking while I was trying to listen to the member for Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas. Members will give me a moment.

I am going to remind all members to be judicious. There is a standing order, Standing Order 18. It is a rule of the House. There is no equivocation with it. I invite all members to delve into it. Standing Order 18 is very clear that we cannot insult members of the royal family, other members, senators and members of the cabinet directly. Those things cannot be done, so I would ask members to be judicious in the words they use in the House, whether they are on the record or off the record, because if I hear that word, I will ask those members to retract that statement.

That being said, I did not hear anything that the member for Hamilton—West Ancaster—Dundas was saying in particular, so I want to let him finish his comment or question so we can continue with questions and comments. As to the other matter, I did not hear those words, but again I encourage all members to reflect on Standing Order 18, which is there as a rule of the House.

I invite the member for Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas—

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6 p.m.

An hon. member

I have a point of order.

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6 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

This matter is closed, if this is revisiting the same issue. I thank the member for Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee.

I invite the member for Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas to rise and finish his question or statement.

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6 p.m.

Liberal

John-Paul Danko Liberal Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas, ON

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate your evaluation of the points of order here.

As I was saying, my understanding of what the members opposite are actually advocating for is freedom from accountability. When I talk to clergy and religious leaders in my community, I basically ask them a simple question: Do you advocate for hate crimes on behalf of your religion? They say, “No,” and there is no further discussion.

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6 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

I just want to remind the member that he is speaking through the Chair and not directly to the members opposite when using “you”.

The hon. member for Swift Current—Grasslands—Kindersley is rising on a point of order. Is this a different point of order, or is it on the same point of order that has already been settled?