House of Commons Hansard #122 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was prices.

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Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel Standard Members debate a Conservative motion to eliminate federal gas and diesel taxes for the remainder of the year and repeal the Clean Fuel Standard. Conservatives argue this provides necessary relief for families facing inflation. Liberals defend their approach, citing targeted benefits for lower-income Canadians as more effective. The Bloc Québécois opposes the motion, contending that tax cuts primarily benefit the wealthy and oil corporations, arguing for measures that instead address the underlying cost of living. 50500 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize Liberal economic policies and record household debt. They highlight the insolvency crisis and high food price inflation, proposing to remove fuel taxes. They condemn taxpayer-funded health benefits for failed asylum claimants and airport security failures. Additionally, they demand the government defend property rights and address falling property values in British Columbia.
The Liberals defend private property rights and highlight Canada's strong fiscal position. They emphasize affordability measures and dental care, alongside investments in wildfire preparedness and clean electricity. The party also outlines efforts to secure borders, reduce asylum claims, and apply the Clarity Act.
The Bloc demand that the government repeal the Clarity Act and stop interfering in referendums, advocating for the 50% plus one rule. They also condemn the Liberals’ climate betrayal for abandoning the environment.
The NDP advocates for strike rights and criticizes Liberal alignment with the fossil fuel lobby.

An Act to repeal certain restrictions on shipping Second reading of Bill C-264. The bill, Bill C-264, is a private member's motion by Conservative David McKenzie to repeal the Oil Tanker Moratorium Act, aiming to expand export potential for Canadian energy by allowing tanker shipments off the British Columbia coast. While supporters argue this will boost economic prosperity and energy security, opponents from the Liberal and Bloc parties contend it threatens vital ecosystems and harms Indigenous relationships and reconciliation. 8200 words, 1 hour.

Adjournment Debate - The Economy Jacob Mantle questions the inclusion of pension assets in government debt calculations. Ali Ehsassi defends the government's economic approach. Grant Jackson critiques the lack of specific initiatives to increase domestic food production, while Ehsassi asserts that the government’s comprehensive support measures and structural investments are adequately addressing affordability. 2400 words, 15 minutes.

Department of Finance—Main Estimates, 2026-27 Members debate the Department of Finance’s main estimates in a committee of the whole. The Conservative Opposition repeatedly challenges the Minister of Finance on fiscal management, including rising debt, the debt-to-GDP ratio, and infrastructure, arguing the government has failed to meet its own fiscal targets. The Minister defends the government’s record, highlighting generational investments in housing, infrastructure, and the economy, citing expert projections of Canada's strong fiscal position compared to other G7 nations. 37100 words, 4 hours.

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Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:25 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Beaulieu Bloc La Pointe-de-l'Île, QC

Mr. Speaker, my colleague called the Conservatives right-wing.

Judging from their current policies, the Liberals themselves seem to be drifting further and further right. Eliminating the excise tax primarily benefits the rich. It also benefits oil companies. We know that their supply costs are not going up, because they get their oil from Canada and the U.S., yet they are basing their prices on the global price of a barrel of oil anyway. Prices dropped slightly when the excise tax was suspended, but they have gone back up.

How do we know the oil companies did not just take advantage of this measure to increase their credit margins?

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, like other G7 countries, in fact allied countries that the Government of Canada works with, we monitor the price of oil. It is important to recognize that it is a tangible, deliverable tax break that is being given from April 1, I believe, to Labour Day weekend because of the crisis in the Middle East. It is a responsible public policy that is there to provide support on the issue of affordability. It has already made a difference.

If the member wants to get a better sense of it, he can talk to constituents who have to pay for gas. It is not just rich people who benefit from this. If he goes to the lineups and talks to the consumer, he will hear that consumers are benefiting today because of this policy.

I believe that the Bloc should be onside and support the 10¢ excise tax relief being provided to all Canadians.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate some of the claims of facts. I can assure the member that when I was in my riding, gas was more like $1.83 and rising. It was fluctuating, but rising.

Over this last two-week period back in our ridings, a number of seniors came up to me and said, “I can't keep doing this. I thought I did everything right; I worked hard, raised my family and gave to my community. Now I can't afford to live. Gas prices are making me choose between whether I go to an appointment or put food in my fridge.”

Did the member have any experiences like that in his riding?

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I have had a great deal of sympathy for and have worked with seniors virtually since being elected back in 1988 for the first time in the Manitoba legislature. In fact, during the by-election back in 2010, I remember going to the German-Canadian Congress, where there were seniors telling me that they had to make a difficult decision in terms of medication versus food. It is a challenge of all governments.

As a government, we have seen substantial supports for seniors, whether it is a record percentage of increases to the GIS, the ongoing inflation matches for things like OAS, supporting the new horizons for seniors program to the degree that we have, or one-time payments during times like the pandemic. There are all sorts of ways we continue to support our seniors, not to mention the 10% increase for seniors 75 and above, those who rely more and more as they get older on medicine and so forth.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:25 p.m.

Marc-Aurèle-Fortin Québec

Liberal

Carlos Leitão LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Mr. Speaker, talking about seniors, that is exactly what I would like to ask my colleague about, because we do have in Canada the program of old age security and the guaranteed income supplement. Together we are talking about something like $85 billion.

Does my colleague think that the new, right Conservatives would probably put an axe to those programs?

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I was here when the current leader of the Conservative Party worked with Stephen Harper. They raised OAS eligibility from age 65 to 67, and they did absolutely nothing on the CPP file for over a decade. It took Liberal administrations to not only reverse the 65 to 67 but also get an increase to CPP.

We have also had ongoing support in terms of increases to the GIS and the OAS for our seniors.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette—Manawan, QC

Mr. Speaker, the hon. parliamentary secretary kept repeating throughout his speech that the Conservatives are members of a far right party. I think we need to be very careful and cautious with our words. By repeating this over and over again, we end up diminishing the weight of those words.

Even though I do not share the values of Conservative members, I believe that the Conservative Party is clearly not a far right party, and one should never say that in the House. I believe there is a world of difference between the policies it advocates and what is being done in the United States under the current presidency, for example.

Furthermore, when we look at economic policies, we see that the Liberal government has essentially adopted all the Conservatives' ideas: tax cuts, unconditional support for oil development, and even the reduction in gas taxes being advocated today. The Liberals did this a month and a half ago.

Is the parliamentary secretary saying, then, that the Liberals themselves are members of a far right party?

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that under this Prime Minister, we have seen a government that has recognized the value of building a strong Canada for all Canadians, to make it stronger and healthier. That is what those policies, as they have unfolded, have directed.

We understand the importance of the economy, the environment and indigenous people, bringing them all together, knowing full well that we can work in collaboration and have a good environment, a good economy and better relations with indigenous people as we grow through things such as the major projects and export opportunities. It is an aggressive agenda that this Prime Minister and every Liberal member of Parliament has, to be there for Canadians.

Committees of the HouseGovernment Orders

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, this is very brief. There have been discussions among the parties, and if you seek it, I believe you will find unanimous consent for the following motion:

That Motion No. 6 to concur in the fourth report of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development (extension of time, pursuant to Standing Order 97.1, to consider Bill C-241, An Act to establish a national strategy respecting flood and drought forecasting) be deemed adopted on division.

Committees of the HouseGovernment Orders

12:30 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion will please say nay. It is agreed.

The House has heard the terms of the motion. All those opposed to the motion will please say nay.

(Motion agreed to)

The House resumed consideration of the motion.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to rise on behalf of the constituents of Portage—Lisgar. I rise today in support of our Conservative opposition day motion, which calls on the government to give immediate relief by ending all federal taxes on gas and diesel for the rest of the year, including the GST.

The motion is very straightforward. For the millions who are being squeezed at the pump, at the grocery store, on the farm or simply when buying the essentials of everyday life, it is badly needed. Let us start with the fact that Canada cannot control everything happening around the world. We cannot control instability in the Middle East or just snap our fingers and reopen the Strait of Hormuz, but that does not mean we are powerless. A nation is judged not by whether it can prevent every storm abroad but by how wisely it prepares for and adapts to the storms that it cannot prevent. As the great Stoic philosopher Epictetus stated, “Make the best use of what is in your power, and take the rest as it happens.”

The government can and should do more to help. It can stop taxing people every time they fill up their vehicles, and it can stop making a bad situation worse. Families were already in a cost of living crisis before this latest spike at the pump. Groceries were already too expensive. Rent and mortgages were already too high. Utility bills were already eating up more and more of the family budget. Food banks had countless people walking through their doors for the first time. This is something that is happening in every corner of our country, and now the price at the pump is pouring fuel on that fire.

What did the Minister of Finance have to say about it? He said, “We have already acted.” Excuse me, Mr. Speaker, but I am surprised he did not tell my constituents to go and eat cake while he was at it. I can assure him that the family filling up their minivan does not think that the federal government has acted enough on this issue, and it will come as news to the farmer who needs diesel to seed, to spray, to harvest and to haul everything. Canadians do not fill their tanks with Liberal excuses, but boy, I bet they wish they could.

The government says it has acted already, but Canadians are still paying more. Gas prices are 13% higher in Canada than in the United States. That is about 22¢ more per litre on average. Many folks from my region, from the southern part of my riding, regularly head across the border to save those dollars and fill up their tanks, but they wish they did not have to. Life is simply so expensive that it is worth committing the extra time to travel internationally to fuel up.

Gas now costs 50¢ more per litre than it did when the global oil prices were at the exact same levels in 2014. That is the point. It is not just global oil markets. It is not just events happening half a world away. It is about deliberate choices made right here at home by a government that kept adding costs and kept ignoring the consequences. The government has layered taxes, regulations, costs and waste upon everything else, and then, when people ask for relief, the Liberals just shrug it off and say they have already done their part.

I represent a whole bunch of good, honest, hard-working folks who call rural Manitoba home. In rural Manitoba, driving is not optional. There is no subway from Winkler to Morden. There is no LRT from Carman to Portage. There is no magic electric bus that takes a farmer to the parts counter when he needs something, a nurse to a night shift or a senior living on an acreage to the nearest grocery store. For rural Canadians, the vehicle is not a luxury. It is simply how life works. When gas goes up, rural people do not have the option of just driving a little less. They have to eat the cost. They have to absorb it, and they have to cut somewhere else. That is why our Conservative team will continue to push on this issue.

I think about the seniors who are on fixed incomes who have worked hard their entire lives. They have paid their taxes. They have raised their families. They have built our communities. They did what was asked of them and tried to follow the promise of Canada. I had the chance to speak with so many of them over the last couple of weeks back home in the riding, and a staggering number told me just how hard things are right now, that they are struggling to get by, that they cannot absorb yet another increase in the cost of living. They are looking at the price of meats. They are looking at the price of fruits and vegetables. They are making choices that no senior should have to make in our advanced first world country, in our beautiful nation of Canada.

Do they fill the tank, or do they fill the fridge? Do they go to that appointment, or do they save the money on gas? Do they buy the healthier food, or do they just buy what is cheapest? Do they risk the perceived pain to their pride in asking their family for help if they need it, or do they visit a food bank for the first time? That is not dignity. That is not the Canadian promise. It certainly matters for parents. Every parent knows the feeling. The kids are growing, eating everything in sight, and the clothes they were hoping they could wear one or two more times simply do not fit anymore. Now the grocery bill looks like a car payment, the car payment looks like a mortgage, the mortgage looks like something from another planet, and we are faced with higher and higher fuel costs.

These costs are baked into every product on every shelf. This is the part that the government does not seem to understand. Fuel is not just something that people buy at a gas station. Fuel is inside the price of absolutely everything we buy. It moves the seed, the fertilizer, the crop, the cattle, the potatoes, the groceries and the parts. It moves our economy. When diesel goes up, the price of food goes up. This is partly why we have the highest food inflation in the G7. When transportation goes up, the price of everything goes up.

When the government taxes fuel, it is not just taxing the person standing and looking at the pump, wondering when it will ever stop. It is taxing the entirety of the supply chain, and our farmers are hit especially hard. Farmers do not have the option of just parking the tractor because the price of diesel is too high. The crop has to go in, crop protection products have to be applied, and the harvest must take place. The grain then has to move, and the bills just keep coming, and this was when fertilizer prices were already sky high. Farmers have faced huge increases in input costs.

Fuel, equipment, repairs, parts, interest rates, transportation and taxes are all piled on, to over $160 billion in debt, with the government continuously piling on more red tape. Every extra cost eventually shows up somewhere else. Now, in my hometown of Portage, we have major food processors like Simplot and McCain. They are part of a food supply chain that reaches far beyond Manitoba. When fuel and diesel costs rise, their costs rise too. Those costs do not just simply vanish into thin air; they move down the line, and the consumer pays. That is why tax relief at the pump is not some narrow little measure. It is a broad measure of affordability relief for the entire economy.

Let us talk about the hypocrisy of the carbon tax, but before I do, I would like to indicate I am splitting my time with the member for Battle River—Crowfoot.

Members might recall that for years, Liberals told Canadians that the carbon tax had made them better off. They said the rebate covered it and more. They said anyone who disagreed was simply spreading misinformation. Then, when they finally removed part of their carbon tax, they bragged that it was saving families money. Well, which one is it? If removing the carbon tax saves families money right now, then it was costing families money before. The Liberals would never admit that, but both things cannot be true at the same time.

For years, Conservatives said the carbon tax was making life more expensive. For years, this Liberal government denied it. Now the Liberals want credit for partially admitting what everybody else already knew intuitively. Canadians are not asking for a miracle; they are asking for relief. This House can give it to them today. If the government simply adopts our idea, it will immediately put money back into people's pockets.

Every MP in this place has a choice. They can defend keeping all of these taxes on, or they can stand with people, who are the ones paying the bill. Nobody is saying that this motion is going to solve every challenge in the country or our world. It would not, but it would lower costs and give people some breathing room that they so badly need. It tells Canadians that their government is not completely deaf to what is happening in their lives.

Let us stop pretending that everything is outside of our control. There are things in our control that we can do to make a difference in the lives of the citizens we are here to represent: suspend the federal taxes on gas and diesel for the rest of the year, and give Canadians real relief, not another lecture. That is what this motion says. It would lower costs, it respects taxpayers, and it puts families first. That is why I am proud to support it.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:40 p.m.

Marc-Aurèle-Fortin Québec

Liberal

Carlos Leitão LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Mr. Speaker, I think I can safely say that, no, we will not vote for the Conservative motion. In fact, the motion would make things far worse.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:40 p.m.

Some hon. members

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Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:40 p.m.

Liberal

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Yes, it would. Yes, it would. Let me just say this, Mr. Speaker, if I may. Our current suspension of the federal excise tax for four months, at 10¢ a litre, will cost $2.4 billion.

How much would the Conservative motion cost? How would they fund it?

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Mr. Speaker, only a Liberal could stand up and say that a tax cut providing relief on gas and fuel that is so important to not only families but the entirety of our economy is going to be a problem. Perhaps the government has a spending problem that it refuses to address. The government is so out of control with its bloated bureaucracy, paying for consultants, paying for everything that families are meant to provide, it forgets who we are sent here to represent. I will always stand up for lower taxes of any type for my riding and for Canadians.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:45 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Beaulieu Bloc La Pointe-de-l'Île, QC

Mr. Speaker, the Parliamentary Budget Officer has stated that lowering taxes, such as the excise tax, primarily benefits the wealthiest and much less so the poorest. Furthermore, we know that even if taxes are lowered, oil companies always want to make more profits. What is likely to happen is that they will charge citizens just as much and line their own pockets with more money.

What does my colleague think about this?

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Mr. Speaker, it seems as though Conservatives are the only ones who will ever stand up for lower prices and more affordability for the people we are here to represent. We should proudly do that. There are things that are outside our control. We can acknowledge them, we can accept them, but we do not need to focus entirely on them. When the problem is homegrown in this nation and the cost of living crisis is due to our own policies, we should seek to address them. This is one small measure that would do just that. It would have a tangible impact on the people we are sent here to represent, and we should vote for this motion today.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Ben Lobb Conservative Huron—Bruce, ON

Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the member could comment briefly on what the Liberal member of Parliament said about what a big problem giving tax relief to Canadians is going to be and what the cost is. He never once mentioned the mess he has put Canada and Canadian families in. On the taxes, we can look at the cost of the grocery benefit the government is putting out and why that has come to be. It has come to be because of all the inflation and the cost of fuel to get things shipped around the country.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Mr. Speaker, it really is astounding. I am not sure if the Liberals do not go to grocery stores, do not go to gas stations or do not talk to people, or all of the above. The people I represent always tell me that the cost of living is the number one issue of concern to them. They tell me that gas prices are blowing their minds. As they are watching the prices go up, they are deciding that they cannot fill up the whole tank or that they will have to skip the soccer game that afternoon.

It is an absurd reality when the government forgets something is so integral as the taxes it is imposing on people, and not only the impacts those taxes have on the individual buying the fuel, but also the ripple effects across the entirety of the economy. We wonder why we have the fastest-growing inflation of food prices in the G7. This is a huge part of it. The inflationary spending the government has undertaken over the past 11 years, combined with its irrational refusal to take common-sense decisions that are in our control, like the one we are proposing as Conservatives today, is why the government needs to go.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:45 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, we know the number of visits from Manitoba to the United States has actually decreased. The member made reference to the people in his constituency who are travelling to the United States in order to gas up. A quick search finds that the price of gas in Minnesota is about $1.55 a litre. That is probably within two cents or three cents of what I paid over the weekend.

Does the member really believe there is a flood of people going from his constituency and travelling to Minneapolis in order to get gas?

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Mr. Speaker, I would encourage my friend to consult a map. No, they are not driving 10 hours to Minneapolis to get gasoline. They are driving right across to Walhalla or some other closer place, where they are seeing a tangible difference between what their credit card says they pay for gasoline north of the border and what they pay south of it. People are not stupid. The member should not treat them like they are. They know what they are doing. I wish they did not have to drive to America to get more affordable gas. We can fix that today.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:45 p.m.

Battle River—Crowfoot Alberta

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre ConservativeLeader of the Opposition

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent for the Clerk to provide the deputy House leader with an atlas so he can consult the map.

Today—

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:45 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

There is a point of order from the chief government whip.

Opposition Motion—Cancellation of Federal Taxes on Gas and Diesel and the Clean Fuel StandardBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, he is the parliamentary secretary, not the deputy House leader. Perhaps the Leader of the Opposition can get the—