House of Commons Hansard #140 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was treaties.

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National Framework on Skilled Trades and Labour Mobility Act Second reading of Bill C-266. The bill proposes a national framework to harmonize skilled trades certification and facilitate labour mobility. Liberals argue it will break down barriers for workers, while Conservatives express skepticism regarding effectiveness and prioritize other solutions. The Bloc Québécois criticizes the federal centralization of provincial jurisdiction. The motion currently awaits a recorded vote. 8000 words, 1 hour.

Commissioner for Modern Treaty Implementation Act Third reading of Bill C-10. The bill establishes an independent commissioner to oversee modern treaty implementation. The Liberal government argues this mechanism ensures accountability and transparency regarding federal obligations. Conservatives oppose the bill, viewing it as ineffective bureaucracy avoiding direct ministerial responsibility. The Bloc and NDP support the initiative at Indigenous partners' request, though both express skepticism regarding lack of enforcement mechanisms and the government's record on reconciliation. 33900 words, 4 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives condemn the synagogue shooting and criticize the government’s fiscal record, blaming inflation on a doubled deficit. They advocate for eliminating gas taxes and cutting consultants to provide relief. They also raise concerns about the cost of countertariffs on manufacturers, the need for faster housing permits, and the industrial carbon tax.
The Liberals voice support for the Jewish community and highlight affordability measures like the groceries and essentials benefit and a national school food program. They emphasize economic strength, touting the new productivity mega deduction to attract investment. They also defend using countertariffs to protect workers in the trade war and champion the Pickering refurbishment.
The Bloc advocates for the digital services tax so tech giants fund Quebec culture. They also oppose privatizing major airports, like Montreal’s, and criticize the government’s lack of consultation with Quebec.
The NDP opposes legislation that undermines collective bargaining, accusing the government of favoring wealthy investors over workers' rights.

Petitions

Air Transportation Heather McPherson (NDP) requests an emergency debate on the federal government’s plan to open major Canadian airports to private investment, arguing this change threatens national sovereignty, security, job stability, and affordability for Canadian travelers. 300 words.

Adjournment Debates

Canada's economic and employment performance Garnett Genuis argues that rising unemployment and job losses, particularly among youth, stem from failed government policies. He calls for regulatory reform and tax changes. Kevin Lamoureux counters by highlighting job growth under the current administration, citing major economic investments and collaboration, while dismissing Conservative criticisms as opposition for opposition's sake.
Environmental oversight in Alberta Heather McPherson criticizes the government for failing to enforce environmental laws and protect Indigenous rights regarding oil sands tailings and water contamination. Wade Grant defends the government's approach, emphasizing ongoing collaborative consultations, scientific monitoring, and a commitment to rigorous, community-led assessments of environmental and health impacts.
Federal labour legislation and strikes Leah Gazan (NDP) attacks Bill C-39, arguing it violates constitutional rights to strike to benefit corporate interests. Leslie Church (Liberal) defends the legislation, claiming it modernizes labour frameworks and ensures economic stability, insisting that government intervention remains a necessary last resort to protect the economy during disputes.
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Questions Passed as Orders for ReturnRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, if the government's responses to Questions Nos. 1192, 1193, 1194, 1195, 1196, 1197, 1198, 1199, 1200, 1201, 1202, 1203, 1204, 1205, 1206, 1207, 1208, 1210, 1211, 1212, 1213, 1214, 1215, 1216, 1217, 1218, 1219, 1220, 1221, 1222, 1223, 1224, 1225, 1226, 1227, 1228, 1229, 1230, 1231, 1232, 1233, 1234, 1235, 1236, 1237, 1238, 1239, 1240, 1241, 1242, 1243, 1244, 1245, 1246, 1247, 1248, 1249, 1250, 1251, 1252, 1253, 1254, 1255, 1256, 1257, 1259, 1260, 1261, 1262, 1263, 1264, 1265, 1266, 1267, 1268, 1269, 1270, 1271, 1272, 1273, 1274, 1275, 1276, 1277, 1278, 1279, 1280, 1281, 1282, 1283, 1284, 1285, 1286, 1287, 1288, 1289, 1290, 1291, 1292, 1293, 1294, 1295, 1297, 1298, 1299, 1300, 1301, 1302, 1303, 1304, 1305, 1306, 1307, 1308, 1309, 1310, 1311, 1312, 1313, 1314, 1315, 1316, 1317, 1318, 1319, 1320, 1321, 1322, 1323, 1324, 1325, 1326, 1327, 1328, 1329, 1330, 1331, 1332, 1333, 1334, 1335, 1336, 1337, 1338, 1339, 1340, 1341, 1342, 1343, 1344, 1345, 1346, 1347, 1348, 1349, 1350, 1351, 1352, 1353, 1354, 1355, 1356, 1357, 1358, 1359, 1360, 1361, 1362, 1363, 1364, 1365, 1366, 1367, 1368, 1369, 1370, 1371, 1372, 1373, 1374, 1375, 1376, 1377, 1378, 1379, 1380, 1381, 1382, 1383, 1384, 1385, 1386, 1387, 1388, 1389, 1390, 1391, 1392, 1393, 1394, 1395, 1396, 1397, 1398, 1399, 1400, 1401, 1402, 1403, 1404, 1405, 1406, 1407, 1408 and 1409 could be made orders for return, these returns would be tabled in an electronic format immediately.

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3:25 p.m.

The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

Is that agreed?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I would then ask that all remaining questions be allowed to stand.

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3:25 p.m.

The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

Is that agreed?

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3:25 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Air TransportationRequest for Emergency DebateRoutine Proceedings

3:30 p.m.

The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

I wish to inform the House that I have received notice of a request for an emergency debate. I invite the hon. member for Edmonton Strathcona to rise and make a brief intervention.

Air TransportationRequest for Emergency DebateRoutine Proceedings

3:30 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Mr. Speaker, I have requested an emergency debate because the government has announced a fundamental change to some of Canada's most important public infrastructure. Parliament needs to debate it now before decisions are locked in.

Last week, the Prime Minister and his cabinet announced that the operations and long-term value of four of Canada's largest airports would be open to private investment, potentially including foreign investors. Let us be very clear about what we are talking about. This is not a private company operating a coffee shop or a clothing store inside an airport. This is about opening the major operations and long-term value of four of Canada's largest airports, Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal, to private investors, potentially including U.S. or other foreign investors, for decades to come.

The selling off of these operations has serious security and sovereignty implications and could compromise the safety of Canadians in travel. These airports are currently operated by not-for-profit airport authorities. They serve millions of Canadians and support hundreds of thousands of Canadian workers.

Make no mistake about it, private business wants a piece of our airports to make money. The Canadian Labour Congress put it plainly: “Private investors don’t put billions into airports unless they expect to make billions back.” There are no magic profits. That money has to come from somewhere, and that is going to mean higher fees and higher costs for Canadians, Canadian workers losing their jobs, reduced services, and fewer safety precautions.

The result is that Canadians will pay more for less safe and worse airport experiences. Canadian workers will lose their jobs while private investors extract profits from infrastructure that Canadians built and rely upon. These airports already generate enormous public value. Airport rents alone return roughly $525 million a year to the federal government. That is why this is urgent.

I am asking the Speaker to consider this urgent request. The government has announced the plan. The process is moving forward. Parliament has a narrow window to examine the consequences before long-term consequences are enacted.

Speaker's RulingRequest for Emergency DebateRoutine Proceedings

3:30 p.m.

The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

I thank the hon. member for Edmonton Strathcona for her intervention. However, I am not satisfied that this request meets the requirements of the Standing Orders at this time.

The House resumed consideration of the motion that Bill C-10, An Act respecting the Commissioner for Modern Treaty Implementation, be read the third time and passed.

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3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes, ON

Mr. Speaker, the majority of what I have to say was said before question period, but I would be remiss if I did not point out that there were a number of important indigenous organizations that did a lot of work on the treaty commission suggestion to the government and its work on Bill C-10. The Land Claims Agreement Coalition is one. There were many, many more.

We understand that the treaty partners have waited years for governments to fulfill the obligations that Canada freely undertook. We understand that a signed treaty cannot become a document that governments celebrate with ceremony and then neglect afterward. Canada must keep its word.

The disagreement, again, is therefore not over whether accountability is necessary. We want to see accountability. We do not believe this piece of legislation lives up to that. We do not believe that there will be a meaningful response from the government to any information that comes out of the treaty commissioner. We have seen no action on the Auditor General's reports, for report after report.

We want to see action. We support the minister's word when she says they want intention rather than implementation. Let us see that. Let us give the bill some teeth. Let us have the government finish up its work.

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3:30 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, it would appear as if the Conservative Party is not actually listening to what indigenous people of Canada are saying about the commission. On the one hand, the Conservatives like to talk about the government not doing enough, but then on the other hand, when we have a substantial piece of legislation in Bill C-10, the creation of an independent office of Parliament, they are not supporting it. That is the bottom line, even though indigenous leadership is saying they would like to see it passed.

Does the member have any concerns about the way the Conservative Party is voting on this legislation?

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3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes, ON

Madam Speaker, it is interesting because we get the frustration indigenous peoples have with government in general, and in this case, the government opposite. We actually acknowledge that governments of all stripes over decades have failed to live up to their word, and that is the issue.

The member opposite knows that the Auditor General is an officer of Parliament. She, at this point, reports to Parliament. On May 4, 2026, the Auditor General produced yet another report showing that Indigenous Services Canada is not living up to its word to implement, monitor and assess a new fiscal relationship with indigenous peoples. This was signed in 2016 and is only 10 years old, but the Liberals have not done anything. If they are not going to live up to their word after they have signed on the dotted line, when are we going to see some accountability?

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3:35 p.m.

Bloc

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Madam Speaker, I am very pleased to be back for this session.

First off, it is important for me to say that today, we welcomed representatives from the Canadian Union of Postal Workers to Parliament Hill. There is a great deal of talk about jobs and what might happen at airports. Canada Post is facing a serious situation. Since September 25, 2025, it has been waiting to find out what will happen with the reform, and it is asking for a comprehensive public review of the corporation. We hope to get answers to these questions this fall.

Here is the question I would like to put to my colleague. We are not seeking to undermine the purpose of reconciliation efforts. However, what is the point of this proposal if the commissioner will lack the teeth to take action and enforce compliance? What will we do when recommendations are made and the government refuses to listen?

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3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes, ON

Madam Speaker, I hope the member opposite had a restful summer. It is always good to see our Bloc friends back in the House holding the government to account.

I do agree that this piece of legislation does not have the teeth necessary to see changes within the way government deals with such things as modern treaties. We have pointed it out time and time again. In fact, in the committee process, it came out that this piece of legislation would produce a report that would name and shame a government department not living up to its word.

The Auditor General already does that, but after that, there is still that lingering question of what actually happens. Does a government department get restructured? Does anyone lose their job? Are we seeing consequences in any meaningful form? The answer is no.

What we found out at committee is that this might actually cause more court cases, and that is the opposite of what the government should be doing. That is not reconciliation.

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3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Madam Speaker, I was a treaty chairman for eight years for my band. In all those years I was there, and even after my time being an MLA, these issues kept coming up in B.C. Given the chaos in B.C. for the last 10 years or 15 years, Canada has blown an opportunity to have a true partnership with the first nations that signed treaties.

From what we understand, the government is going to create another bureaucratic body that is going to cost tens of millions of dollars, with no obligation to follow up on any of the reports coming out of this new office. Am I correct?

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September 21st, 2026 / 3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes, ON

Madam Speaker, yes, the member is correct.

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3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Madam Speaker, it is good to be back in Ottawa to represent the good people of Skeena—Bulkley Valley.

As mentioned earlier, I was a first nations leader. I was a councillor for eight years and a chief councillor for six years, and then I moved on to be an MLA. I am very proud to say that I am representing Skeena—Bulkley Valley in the House today. During those eight years, I was the treaty chairman, which means that I was in charge of day-to-day negotiations for my band. We were at stage four, by the way. We were nowhere close to signing a treaty. In fact, we pulled ourselves out of treaty negotiations because economic development agreements were actually outpacing treaty negotiations at the time.

However, all the issues we talked about in terms of treaty implementation are still there today. During the discussion we had at the summit in Vancouver, we talked about Canada's failure to show up to the table to implement modern day treaties.

When I became an MLA, I was surprised to hear that all the reports over the last 15 to 20 years, all the letters, all the lobbying, had made their way to Ottawa but nothing was done. I was surprised to hear that an independent body such as the Auditor General actually reported to the House annually on the failure of the government to implement modern day treaties. As my work as an MP has unfolded, it has come out that those reports had no teeth to them. They had no backbone. There was no reason for the government to follow the Auditor General's report to follow up on implementing what should be a priority in B.C., if not in Canada.

We are looking at the chaos in B.C. right now. We have heard the debate in the B.C. legislature. We have heard the debate in the House of Commons in Ottawa, talking about the need for certainty. We need the economy to be back on track. After 10 years of stifling the economy, the priority now is to get the economy moving, but for that we need first nations participation, as cited in the Haida court case of 2004 that laid out the framework on how to reconcile aboriginal rights and title with Crown statutory decision-making.

It was working. From 2004 to 2017, it was working on a few points. Number one is that we had to resolve rights and title interests. On specific projects, that was working out okay. It was not in all cases, of course, but in most cases, especially if we are talking about the LNG development in Kitimat and especially if we are talking about the pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver, the Trans Mountain pipeline, and countless mining agreements.

The majority of these agreements were done with first nations that had asserted aboriginal rights and title, not defined title such as we are talking about here today. By defined title, I mean there is a first nation that sat down and said, “We want to put down for the record our rights and title, and we want to coexist in the economy of Canada today and the society of today. We're going to reconcile our interests under the laws of Canada and B.C., under the regulations of Canada and B.C.” That is essentially what a treaty is.

When we talk about Bill C-10, through which the government wants to create a commissioner for modern day treaty implementation, again it is just another announcement. It would be millions of dollars or more going towards a title, an office, not only to compile the list of complaints over the last 20 years but also to possibly amend those complaints with the complaints of today, which are basically the same complaints as the last 20 years. The last time I got up to speak to this, I told the House that everything is already there for the government to co-operate and partner with treaty first nations.

Read the treaty. It talks about the Crown's obligations, department by department, on how to implement the treaty. More than ever before, the reason for that is what we talk about here every day, whether we are talking about tariffs, the economy or the cost of living. It is there. The government just needs to read the treaty and enforce it.

The accountability is not only for the government, but every ministry under the government has an obligation to look at that treaty and find out exactly what their duties are to breathe life into it. The first nations are there. They want co-operation. They want to help build Canada. The complaint is that Canada just does not want to implement it.

If the government does not want to read the treaty and understand its own obligations under the treaty, then it should look to its own website. There is a comprehensive set of guidelines and principles on the government website that talk about how to implement modern day treaties. It is already there. The government wrote it and amended it over the years.

Just one publication is the “Guide for Federal Implementers of Comprehensive Land Claims and Self-Government Agreements”. It is on the Canadian government website. It has an executive summary and eight different clauses talking about treaty implementation. It gives the background of how we came to these treaties in the first place, coming from comprehensive land claims agreements and self-government agreements to modern day treaties in B.C. It talks about how to implement the treaties, the phases of implementation, how to plan for implementation, the committees that are set up for implementation, the implementing bodies and the obligations of all the parties.

It also includes funding obligations, which we all know continue from Ottawa after a first nation signs a treaty. It is there. It talks about the roles and responsibilities of federal implementers. It talks about the principles of federal collaboration. The government does not need a new treaty commissioner to tell it its own principles of collaborating with first nations treaties. This is already written in its own document.

If the Auditor General already told government annually, in their reports, how the government is failing at implementation, what good would a multi-million-dollar new office and budget do? There are also federal structures and processes, coordination, decision-making, information sharing, monitoring and reporting. There are annexes supporting these principles under treaty.

It is a shame if government is just buying more time so more reports and more summaries can be presented to the House and shelved. The plan is there. The treaty is there. The government has its own guides to follow. It has the recommendations of the Auditor General. I assume the government's lead bureaucrats are telling it about the failures and how to fix them.

More than ever, we need action, not another office, not another title and not more money being spent. The treaty first nations are there. They want to assist in building Canada. They want to do everything they can to make this economy stronger. The only one missing is the federal government. If the government does truly believe that we can build Canada strong, then it should get back to some of the fundamental partners that can help it, the first nations that have signed modern day treaties.

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3:45 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, could the member provide his thoughts in regard to the feedback we have had from many modern treaty partners that have ultimately looked at the legislation and have seen it to be of great value? It would seem to me that there are many within the indigenous leadership who want Bill C-10.

Where does the member stand in regard to that issue, where a significant percentage of a community is saying that this is something that is necessary?

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3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Madam Speaker, I would say to the member that I would love to get up in front of these communities and give them the exact same speech I just gave right now. There are too many processes being put in place right now that have been in place for 20 years and talk about the same exact thing. The only people who are failing to implement it are the members of the federal government.

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3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Madam Speaker, there is something important to bear in mind about the current situation. In the course of our work as parliamentarians, I was tasked, as a member of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, with creating an advisory committee, a body that tells us what questions to ask, where to look and where the government is going wrong. That is very useful.

Let us look at what the bill proposes. We need to keep in mind that the bill was a collaborative effort that included the Land Claims Agreements Coalition. The process was a long-term undertaking. The funds to be invested in it are modest compared to the savings it could generate, especially in terms of government efficiency. As parliamentarians, we could use this office to get some accountability.

Is accountability important to the member? If so, why not support passing the bill quickly?

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3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Madam Speaker, there are so many processes put in place already to achieve the exact same goal. I think first nations should be made well aware of the time wasted talking about this, when really the simple answer is that the government should have actually fulfilled its obligations when it signed the treaties five years, 10 years or 15 years ago. That was the number one promise made by the government.

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3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for all the work he has done over the years supporting reconciliation and economic development for indigenous peoples.

There is a certain irony in the approach of the government, because we have a Prime Minister who has not shown much respect for Parliament. He ignored our calls to reconvene Parliament to discuss the crisis involving Canada-U.S. relations. He has not been forthcoming with Parliament about various issues. However, we have a bill where he is proposing an additional separate bureaucracy that would oversee the government's action in the context of modern treaties.

It strikes me that the government could and should respect the accountability mechanisms we already have in place. It could be more engaged with the work of Parliament. It could be more present in Parliament and more willing to provide information to Parliament about what it is doing as it relates to modern treaties and also about a broad range of other domains.

I wonder what my colleague thinks about this: instead of the government's creating an additional separate bureaucracy, its actually being more engaged with and more forthcoming with the mechanisms and institutions we already have that are designed to promote accountability.

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3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Madam Speaker, that is exactly it. Everybody is failing to talk about the outcomes. Do we really need another report after 20 years of reports saying the exact same thing? If there is no accountability and no follow-up, then what are we getting in return?

It is crucial now that Canada start building. Everybody agrees with that, but the partners on the ground are actually begging and screaming for something. I think those first nations should come here to see the other side of this and see how this place works, because the announcements are really not doing anybody any good, whether we are talking about first nations or non-first nations. I think this is a great time for government to actually fulfill its obligations and authority, and to fulfill the promises of the treaty.

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3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Beaulieu Bloc La Pointe-de-l'Île, QC

Madam Speaker, my colleague said that this bill has no teeth and no enforcement measures to compel the government to uphold modern treaties.

Could he give us some examples of processes that would produce better results?