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  • His favourite word was system.

Last in Parliament September 2008, as Conservative MP for Prince Albert (Saskatchewan)

Won his last election, in 2006, with 54% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Supply April 7th, 2005

Mr. Speaker, I cannot get over the comment by the government minister that the government has been working hard on this matter of dealing with security issues.

Let us put this in perspective. From 1993 to 2002 the government did nothing on security, nothing at all. After September 11, it brought in the Anti-terrorism Act, but it did nothing for that whole period of time. It was sleepwalking right through that whole period of time. The government leaves the impression that it has been doing a whole lot of stuff over the years to deal with this issue, but Canada is about the last country in the world that got on with dealing with the terrorism issue, and this government did it screaming and kicking most of the way. The Auditor General does not have good reports about the government's record, even after the things it has done.

I have a brief question. The government says an inquiry will not answer anything, that the Liberals have everything in place and everything is sorted out now. Justice demands that the victims of this terrible tragedy get these unanswered questions answered. They have a right to know. I think the government is under a duty to make sure that answers are provided for these questions. That is part of the justice equation and I would like a comment--

Supply April 7th, 2005

Mr. Speaker, I want to make an observation based on what I heard earlier this morning from the Minister of Public Safety. She spent a lot of time talking about what we have learned from this and she kept referring to the anti-terrorism bill.

The anti-terrorism bill was passed in 2002 in response to the tragedy that had happened on September 11 in the United States. It was largely modelled on the Great Britain anti-terrorism legislation that had come into place much earlier to deal with terrorism from the IRA in Great Britain. After 17 years, 1985 to 2002, we finally get some measures put in place to deal with terrorism. My point of view on this is that we did not really learn a whole lot during the 17 years on terrorism.

I know the member for Windsor—Tecumseh is very well thought of in the legal community and I think he could shed some light on the public inquiry. I am a lawyer. I have heard these questions and I do not have a clue what the answers are. I would like to know what the answers are. Canadians would like to know and certainly the families of the victims would like to know what the answers to those questions are. We are totally in the dark on this.

This matter cries out for an inquiry. We should find what went wrong. The justice system and the whole system has let many people down and we failed to address it. The minister said that if we hold a public inquiry, this will be very damaging to the justice system. I am scratching my head. I have not seen a lot of justice come out of this situation and there are many questions that have not been answered.

I wonder if the member for Windsor—Tecumseh, with his legal background, could possibly explain what great damage a public inquiry would do to the justice system.

Petitions April 7th, 2005

Mr. Speaker, the last petition is from the people of Melfort, Saskatchewan who are calling for changes to the law to protect children from sexual predators.

The petitioners ask for the age of consent to be increased from 14 to 18 years.

Petitions April 7th, 2005

Mr. Speaker, the next petition concerns a law to protect the traditional definition of marriage and that Parliament take all necessary steps to protect the union of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others.

Petitions April 7th, 2005

Mr. Speaker, my second petition is from folks in the Smeaton area who want the Post Office to remain open and to retain the moratorium on the closure of rural post offices, which is quite a problem in rural Saskatchewan.

Petitions April 7th, 2005

Mr. Speaker, I have four petitions to present. The first petition is from folks who are petitioning on behalf of children of autism.

The main point made by the petitioners is that therapy and treatment for children with autism should be a medically necessary service under the Canada Health Act.

Civil Marriage Act April 4th, 2005

Mr. Speaker, I want to start my speech today by saying how proud I am to be chosen as the representative of the famous seat of Prince Albert in Saskatchewan. I also want to acknowledge my mother, because I think without either one of them I would not be here today. I just want to make that observation. My mother is 89, lives in Assiniboia and is still in fairly good health. I know she is very proud to have a son who has the opportunity to represent people in this institution.

We live in a representative democracy. I used to teach school, where I emphasized to students the fact that we live in a system of government of representative democracy.

Even prior to the opening of this new session of Parliament, I received thousands upon thousands of e-mails, correspondence and telephone calls on this particular issue. Since the opening of the House in February I have received 1,400 more pieces of mail on this issue. We have tabulated them.

Over 90% of the people want me to defend the traditional definition of marriage. They have made it very clear to me. They see this as a powerful and important social institution in our society that must be preserved and protected.

That is the message I have received. It is not really a question of what I think on the topic. I was elected by my constituents to be their voice in Ottawa. I am in Ottawa today and I am representing their point of view.

I am appalled and I am embarrassed that there are leaders of other parties in the House of Commons who will not let their individual members of Parliament do the same thing as my party and my leader permit me to do: to represent my constituents on a matter of conscience and the heritages and traditions of this country. It appalls me.

In the last election less than 50% of the people voted in some seats. I would say that people are getting the message that leaders of parties are undermining representative democracy by compelling their members to vote the way the leader wants them to rather than the way their constituents want. This is a very serious problem in our democracy. If we do not fix it we are going to find this institution in need of serious repair.

I also would like to speak on a couple of what might be unrelated topics, but in a way they are related. The first is the concept of separation of church and state. Members opposite, including members of the NDP, have often made reference to this being Canada where we have separation of church and state. What they really mean by that commentary is that religious people should keep their mouths shut and have no business speaking out on the matters of the day. I find that appalling, because many people in this country came here to get away from religious persecution and prosecution so they would have freedom of religion, and it happened in the United States as well.

My understanding of separation of church and state is that we live in a country in which our government protects freedom of religion and one's right to speak. Section 2 of the charter says that it is a “fundamental freedom” and the party opposite has the audacity to accuse other parties of somehow being against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I find this an amazing argument.

Let us look at the great reforms that have happened over the last couple of hundred years: the elimination of slavery, the end of child labour in Great Britain, public education reforms, and the end of racial discrimination and segregation in the United States. Who led those causes? They were not politicians. They were people of religious conviction who saw very sinful or outrageous practices that were immoral and contrary to their religious values, and they fought very hard to end those institutions. They were successful and that led to great reforms.

What a travesty of history there would have been had we had lived in a society in which the government told those people to shut up, that they had no right to speak out. Would we have made the social progress that we have today?

To my friends in the NDP who also spout the same point of view, most of the people who founded the CCF movement were people of devout Christian beliefs. They believed in the social gospel. One of the most powerful people in that movement was Tommy Douglas. I am from Saskatchewan. I know what his election campaigns were about. He said to the people of Saskatchewan, “Vote for me and through government, I will create a new Jerusalem in Saskatchewan. We will eliminate poverty. We will bring in free health care”. That was his social gospel. The same people today are saying that there has to be a separation of church and state and that the religious people have to shut up.

I say to a lot of educated people on the opposite side, including the Prime Minister, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Minister of Justice, that they must have gone through a different school system than I did. I would throw out a few names to them: Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Garrison, Lincoln, Woodsworth, Ernest Manning, T.C. Douglas, Bishop Tutu, Malcolm X and William Wilberforce. They were people who were motivated by their religious beliefs and were successful in leading great reforms in their societies. Members opposite are saying that this is wrong, but I think they are wrong.

I want to make another observation. I have also been told by members opposite that somehow majority governments and votes, and so on in a democratic system are a threat to our individual freedoms and rights. That argument is very difficult to comprehend. When the charter was instituted in 1982, we did not invent the ideas that went into the charter. Those ideas already existed. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the democratic principles, the criminal justice principles, equality under and before the law had existed already. Where did they come from? They came from our mother country, England. They had been developed hundreds of years before we put them in a written constitution in Canada.

How did they come about in England? England does not have a written constitution. Britain does not have a constitution that has a bill of rights written out saying that certain things exist for every citizen. It has an unwritten constitution which is very short. It says that the democratically elected Parliament is supreme. It is out of that environment of electing majority governments over hundreds of years that we got things like freedom of religion, freedom of speech, criminal justice principles, democratic principles, great reforms that became part of our society in Canada.

The ultimate minority right is that one is innocent until proven guilty. Guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. There are a whole lot of concepts that are minority rights.

Parliament in Great Britain has been very good at identifying and protecting minority rights. It shows an appalling lack of understanding of where we are today for members opposite to say that democracy and Parliament are the enemies of rights, principles and freedoms. They should go back to school or to the institutions that they attended and examine some of the papers that they wrote because that is not my understanding of where we got these very important principles. I do not see democracy and Parliament as threats to our fundamental freedoms and values.

I want to make one final observation. I prize my personal freedom and liberty very much. I accept that I have to surrender some of my freedom for the public good and that is through the democratic process. If I am going to give up my personal freedom and liberty, I would much rather submit to the will of the majority than the will of a minority. If we do not understand that concept in 2005 and if our government does not understand that concept, the institutions of Parliament and democracy are in trouble.

Supply March 22nd, 2005

Mr. Speaker, I had a discussion with Premier Hamm of Nova Scotia a few days ago. He said that he sure was glad that he does not live next to Alberta. A huge problem for Saskatchewan is that even if it could find a way to reduce some of its taxes which are not competitive with Alberta's, the equalization plan would be right there to club it over the head for doing it.

The payback was a one time thing. I agree with that. It was a good thing, but I remind the Minister of Finance that the federal government had clawed back things such as the sale of crown leases at the rate of 240%. This was an adjustment for some of the gross inequities that I think any fair-minded Canadian would realize is just wrong. It is a one shot deal. It is not like the Atlantic accord, which is a more permanent solution to the whole problem.

Quite often in question period the Minister of Finance refers to the Grant Devine regime. I want to put something in perspective. I remember 1981 and 1982. Marc Lalonde was the minister of energy. He forecast $100 a barrel for oil in this country. He painted a rosy picture. It was $40 a barrel then, which would be about $80 a barrel now. The prospects were never ending; Saskatchewan was going to be a rich province forever and a day. It was only a matter of time before those things collapsed. Grain prices collapsed and interest rates were 19%.

I am not trying to defend the Devine government. The member opposite knows that I was never an enthusiastic supporter of the direction of the Devine regime, but I am pointing out that there are a whole lot of things that happened in Saskatchewan in the 1980s.

Anybody governing that province would have had a very daunting task. I think the Minister of Finance was a member of the provincial legislature at that time and was well aware of a lot of the problems. Most people would say that the national energy program itself extracted close to $2 billion out of the Saskatchewan economy in those times as well, which was not a good thing.

I wanted to put some fairness into this. Surely the Minister of Finance is not saying that equalization should punish provinces because they do not agree with a government they may have had in the past. Should we punish Quebec because we did not like the Duplessis government back in the 1950s or 1960s? I do not understand the argument.

The equalization formula should measure a province's current fiscal capacity and try to meet the intent of the Constitution. Making reference to some government in the 1980s and saying to a province that it is not entitled to equalization because one did not agree with its politics back then is a poor argument and quite honestly, an unfair one.

I do not want to start pointing fingers at other provinces saying that I did not like the NDP government in B.C. at a different time or a government in another province. I do not see how that serves this debate. I wanted to bring that to the attention of the Minister of Finance because I think his argument is flawed.

Supply March 22nd, 2005

That is a very good question, Mr. Speaker. This has intrigued me. It is why I went back over the last 10 years and compared us just with Manitoba. I could have used other provinces, but to me Manitoba seems to be a good comparison. Both provinces have a million people. They are side by side. There are some similarities between the two provinces.

It just shows me how flawed the formula is when we look at per capita income and per capita GDP. In most of these things in most years, Manitoba outperformed Saskatchewan but Saskatchewan is far short of Manitoba on receipts. It just reinforces Courchesne.

I also looked at Robert Mansell's study of fiscal federalism. He did extensive work from the period of 1961 up to mid-1995. I ran the numbers. The difference between Manitoba and Saskatchewan in that period was something like $600 million a year. Saskatchewan was at 85% of the Canadian average for per capita income and Manitoba was at 92%. I am not maligning Manitoba, but it underscores the deficiencies in fiscal federalism in this country and how Saskatchewan quite literally is getting shafted under this formula.

Supply March 22nd, 2005

Mr. Speaker, I do not think there is a whole lot of difference. We are talking about clawback on oil and gas. The Newfoundland and Labrador situation is offshore, which is somewhat different. In Saskatchewan we have the asset underground, obviously, not offshore.

Other than that distinction, the net effect of the recent accord was to totally remove the revenues from the offshore oil from the formula. All we in Saskatchewan are saying is that we have oil too and it is very costly to extract. It is not light west Texas crude. It is heavy oil. It is very expensive oil and it takes a lot of money to extract it.

I would also make the point that in the middle of an election campaign when a Prime Minister is in a region of the country like Newfoundland and Labrador and makes a commitment to change the equalization formula because he says it is unfair to be clawing back these non-renewable resources, he is not just making a promise to Newfoundland and Labrador and Nova Scotia. He is making a commitment to every single Canadian across this country. He made a promise at that time. If he will not live up to the spirit of that promise with a national program like equalization, I would say that it is a promise broken.