Crucial Fact

  • His favourite word was program.

Last in Parliament November 2005, as Liberal MP for St. Catharines (Ontario)

Lost his last election, in 2008, with 29% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Year 2000 March 13th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, as the member opposite knows, the government initiated the year 2000 project some two years ago. It has been reported to the House and the Standing Committee of Industry. A number of promotional conferences have been held to get the message to business that it is very important to be aware of what has to be done for the year 2000.

What is very critical is that it is not the year 2000. Many specific points need to be met this fall, this December and next April in preparation for the year 2000.

Small Business Loans Act March 13th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the opportunity to speak to the House of Commons on Bill C-21, an act to amend the Small Business Loans Act.

There was a great deal of debate over this legislation during the second reading stage. There was more debate than we might otherwise have thought for a bill whose purpose is simply to give time for a comprehensive review of the Small Business Loans Act. The intensity of the debate demonstrates that all parties have strong beliefs about the best way to encourage small business financing in Canada. I hope that all those interested will take the opportunity to contribute to the comprehensive review.

I trust today I can set the record straight and clear up some of the questions hon. members might have on the timing of the comprehensive review.

I begin by saying a few words about chapter 29 of the auditor general's report. During the debate at second reading we heard a great deal of information that was not correct. Some members for example alleged that it was only because of the auditor general's report that Industry Canada is conducting a comprehensive review. This is not the case.

Under the Small Business Loans Act, the lending authority expires after a set time period. This feature of the act provides Parliament with regular opportunities to review the program. The last comprehensive review was conducted before the act was amended in 1993. The government had committed to another comprehensive review before the expiration of the current lending period on March 31, 1998.

Why will this review not be completed before the end of the lending period? This is where the auditor general's report comes in. And perhaps this is where some hon. members became a bit confused during second reading.

When the auditor general announced that he would look at the SBLA program, the government decided it would wait until receiving his recommendations before commencing the comprehensive review. This was a prudent decision. It avoided the duplication of effort of having two reviews of the act taking place at the same time. It allowed the comprehensive review to take advantage of the recommendations made in chapter 29 of the auditor general's report. I do not think that anybody in this House would want to have it any other way.

As a result of waiting for the auditor general's report, the comprehensive review will not be completed by the time the current lending period expires. Chapter 29 was only tabled last December. That left the government with very few options.

One would be to rush the comprehensive review in light of the concerns raised in the debate, the recommendations made by the auditor general and the issues raised by the stakeholders. I do not believe that anyone would want this review to be rushed. There are many complex and far reaching issues that must be addressed.

Another option would be to let lending expire on March 31 as scheduled and let the comprehensive review proceed. Again, I do not believe anyone who has looked at the importance of this program to small businesses across this country would want to follow this course.

The third option is the one that the government has taken in introducing legislation to extend the current lending period. In that way the comprehensive review will take place without disrupting the program. There will be no inconvenience to the many small and medium size businesses that will be looking at the program for help in securing finances in 1998.

When it was tabled last December, the auditor general's report was welcomed by the government. Some of the recommendations the report made had already been acted on by this government. Others will help form the discussion in the comprehensive review.

In replying to the issues raised in chapter 29, Industry Canada prepared a tabling document for the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Accounts. The auditor general appeared before the public accounts committee in February 1998. He was questioned very closely on the conclusions and recommendations made in his report.

I think it is very useful for hon. members to recall three points he made in the course of his presentation. First, he said that the SBL program is a generally well run program. He maintained that it would benefit from more precision in its objectives.

Second, he said that he would not require another audit in the customary two year period following the tabling of the report. He will consider giving the department more time to respond to issues raised in the comprehensive review.

Third, he acknowledged that the question of how many jobs are created as a result of the program is very difficult to quantify and there is a large range of estimates.

I would like to briefly respond to some further issues raised during the second reading. There seems to be a great deal of confusion about the proposal to raise the lending ceiling by $1 billion. Some suggested this was an expenditure item needed to cover the potential liability of loans that are made during this extended period.

I would emphasize that Bill C-21 does not make further spending requests. The amended lending ceiling is necessary simply to permit the lending period to continue while the comprehensive review takes place. The total loans made for the period ending March 31 are expected to reach $13 billion. Current lending on registered loans is capped at $14 billion. On the basis of the 1997 spending levels, Industry Canada expects financial institutions to make a further $1.7 billion in loans by March 31, 1999. That number exceeds the $14 billion authority by some $700 million. Bill C-21 includes a modest cushion of $300 million to take into account possible fluctuations in the economy.

Given that loans are registered on average three months after being made at the time the $14 billion ceiling is reached, several hundred loans may have been made to small businesses under the SBLA that will not be registered and therefore will not be honoured by lenders. This may cause lenders to call these loans, causing major disruption to entrepreneurs and businesses. This is exactly what Bill C-21 is trying to avoid. This is why we need to support the $1 billion increase in the SBL program.

Let me also mention another key issue that has been debated at length during second reading. It is the incrementality of SBLA loans. These loans are being guaranteed that the financial institutions would have made in any event.

There is no doubt that there are loans that have been guaranteed that do not fall within the intent of the act. Like insurance of any kind, there will always be some individual loans which do not actually need insurance. For the most part, these loans are less likely to also default and therefore are of no cost to the taxpayer.

In conclusion, I want to emphasize that the SBLA is a good program. It has broad support among the business communities. I think we owe it to the small business community across this country to continue it for one year while we conduct a comprehensive review by all parties and all members of this House. That is why it is important for Parliament to pass Bill C-21.

The Budget February 26th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, first I want to congratulate the Minister of Finance for reaching a balanced budget. This allows agencies like FEDNOR to continue their good work in northern Ontario.

The budgeting for FEDNOR will continue. It will assist small business to improved access to finances, increase access to information about doing business and provide jobs for northern Ontario. This is another excellent initiative by this government.

Patent Act February 20th, 1998

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to respond to the private member's bill sponsored by the hon. member for Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre.

The Canadian drug patent policy has three main objectives, to ensure that consumers have access to patent drugs at reasonable prices, to support the development of the pharmaceutical industry and to ensure that Canada conforms with its international obligations which, for example, require a minimum of 20 years of patent protection.

These objectives are fulfilled by striking a balance between ensuring that generic drugs can hit the market immediately after patent expiry and effective enforcement of patent rights. However, the bill put forward by the hon. member would negate this balance.

In contrast, the package of regulatory reform proposals, which the minister announced on January 24, 1998, would maintain this balance and improve the regulatory framework for drug patents.

Let me explain why the bill is inappropriate. The hon. member wishes to turn back the clock. He wants to restore compulsory licensing of patented drugs. This would allow generic drug companies to manufacture and sell a generic equivalent four years into a patent term. The hon. member also proposes to shorten patent terms.

The hon. member proposes these measures to combat the spectre of increased health care costs. He lays the blame for these costs at the feet of Canada's drug patent policy. However, the facts do not bear him out.

We are making sure drugs are available at reasonable prices through price controls on patented drugs. This regime has been very effective. Canadians paid over 24% less for patented drugs in 1995 than they would have in the absence of the federal price regulation. Total estimated savings to Canadians from limiting price increases over the years 1988 to 1995 were over $3 billion.

When we look at the latest report of the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board, which administers price controls on patented drugs, we find that prices of patented medicines declined by 2.1% in 1996. I remind the House that the consumer price index increased by 1.6% over the same period.

Overall, Canadian prices for patented drugs have declined significantly relative to foreign prices on average by 30%. Canadian prices were 23% above the median of foreign prices in 1987 but dropped to 10% below in 1996.

Of course, even though patented drug prices have fallen, we are concerned about health care costs. Pharmaceutical companies, through their extensive investments in research and development, have come up with new drugs to help improve the health of Canadians. Not only are Canadians reassured because there is an increasing number of ailments that can now be treated with drugs, these new medicines can reduce hospital stays. This helps reduce overall health care costs.

We are also firmly committed to making sure Canadians continue to have the best available drugs at the best possible prices.

We want to strengthen the PMPRB's mandate. The PMPRB released a discussion paper and is concurrently consulting with the public about its mandate. I hope the member opposite has made his presentation.

Also, as announced on January 21, 1998, federal, provincial and territorial ministers of health are working collaboratively on a number of pharmaceutical issues, including drug prices.

The government also acknowledges the importance of the generic industry in keeping drug costs down. We want Canadians to be able to access generic drugs as soon as the patent expires. In fact, we provide early working exceptions to patent infringement which enable generic manufacturers to enter the market as soon as possible upon patent expiry. This has been an integral feature of our patent framework along with the link between the patent status of a brand name drug and the regulatory approval of its generic equivalent.

Recently the EU has challenged Canada's compliance with our international obligations in light of the exceptions I have just referred to. It is Canada's intention to vigorously defend these exceptions. We believe we are in full compliance with our international obligations.

I would also like to point out that the government's proposed changes would further reduce any delays in getting less expensive generic drugs to market while maintaining effective patent protection.

I would like to turn to my second reason for opposing Bill C-248. Patent protection if a prerequisite for innovation, R and D and investment, and Bill C-248 would severely limit this protection, jeopardizing investment and jobs in Canada.

Since 1993 the brand name industry has spent over $2 billion in research and development across the country and that has meant jobs for Canadians. We are speaking here of high paying, knowledge intensive jobs. We are speaking about economic growth in one of the most dynamic sectors in the global economy, where investment in research and development roams the world looking for the best place to make a home.

In Canada the pharmaceutical industry is a major R and D performer. While the pharmaceutical industry accounts for only 1% of manufacturing sector shipments it performs 10% of all industrial R and D. Of the top 100 R and D spenders in Canada 26 are pharmaceutical companies.

I remind the House that when the Patent Act was amended in 1987 the Pharmaceutical Manufacturer's Association of Canada made a public commitment that the brand name pharmaceutical industry would increase its annual R an D expenditure as a percentage of sales to 10%. That is the period on which the PMPRB has now reported.

Have these companies lived up to their commitments? Indeed they have. In 1996 their R and D to sales ratio was not just 10%. It was 12.3%. For patentees as a whole the ratio was 11.4%.

Spending on basic research was $136.6 million or 21.7% of the total in 1996. Applied research accounted for 62.9% of the total. This includes clinical and preclinical trials and manufacturing process R and D.

It is clear that the Canadian pharmaceutical industry has been making a significant contribution to the Canadian economy under modern effective patent protection. The hon. member seems to acknowledge somewhat the importance of research and development performed by the drug industry in Canada.

Under the compulsory licensing system in Bill C-248 the royalty rate would take into account the amount of medical research carried out in Canada by the applicant and the patentee. Perhaps the hon. member believes these provisions would be sufficient to encourage companies to continue research in Canada. Perhaps he thinks Canada would continue to attract the same level of R and D investment under these terms. Perhaps he thinks that these measures would be suitable in today's knowledge based economy.

This brings me to my third reason for opposing Bill C-248. The measures proposed by the hon. member would contravene Canada's international obligations.

Let me conclude by saying the proposed improvements underline the government's commitment to encourage investment through modern competitive framework laws that are consistent with the international obligations and support innovative growth and development of new improved drugs.

These frameworks provide a stable investment climate for the pharmaceutical industry, which would further encourage R and D which, as I mentioned earlier, plays a vital role in the Canadian economy. The regulations have been gazetted. There is a 30 day time spell which will be completed next week.

In short, our proposed package of changes improves the system and gets the job done.

Trade February 20th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I believe the member knows that ministers and officials of the provinces and territories have been meeting for two days concerning the issue of internal trade. We know how crucial internal trade is to Canada and Canada's competitiveness.

There has been consultation. The working groups have been working very hard to come up with an agreement. There has been a lot of discussion. I hope as they conclude their meetings there will be some positive results. I wish them well in their deliberations. Hopefully together, in co-operation, we can tear down the barriers.

Research Funding February 20th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I am sure the member opposite realizes the investment in the CFI innovation fund. That is only the beginning.

I am sure the member realizes the budget is due next week. If she has some patience, hopefully in the budget there will be more items on research and the research council, which the government has supported in the past and will do so in the future for the good of Canadians.

Small Business Loans Act February 19th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, it was interesting to hear some of the comments of the speaker opposite. I want to deal with a few points.

He mentioned the lack of things being done in the small business area. The member opposite is not a new member. I am sure he knows the work the standing committee has done with the banks for the last four years as far as making them more accountable and having more SBLA loans.

I am sure the member opposite is aware of the technology partners Canada program of which there have been a number of projects in his province. IRAP has been extended across Canada and has been very valuable, especially for small businesses that are getting into some of the research and development that we need.

I am sure he realizes the refocusing of the business development bank. I am sure he has read that 39% of the loans that go through the SBLA are for start-up companies, for companies under three years. Approximately 57% or 58% of the loans go to those businesses in the under three-year period where it is difficult to get going as a business and to make things happen.

He mentioned caisses populaires. I was not quite sure of the point he was making. Is he saying that caisses populaires have not been doing their work in the SBLAs? It is the official lender under this act in Quebec and across Canada. I was not sure what point he was making with the caisses populaires.

Small Business Loans Act February 19th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, the answer is that the member opposite and the Reform Party are not in favour of this bill, nor are they in favour of extending the SBLA. I take it that is the answer.

Small Business Loans Act February 19th, 1998

How do you like it?

Small Business Loans Act February 19th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I did not get my answer earlier. I thought I had asked a very clear question.