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  • Her favourite word was fact.

Last in Parliament November 2005, as Liberal MP for Edmonton Centre (Alberta)

Lost her last election, in 2006, with 39% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Organized Crime September 19th, 2000

Mr. Speaker, let me make it absolutely plain that section 1 of the charter, which speaks to reasonable limits on otherwise guaranteed rights, is very much in use.

Let me report to my colleagues that this morning my officials, the solicitor generals and officials from Quebec had a very co-operative and constructive meeting. We are looking at all aspects of organized crime. We are looking at a reform of the existing provisions in the criminal code in relation to organized crime. We are looking at provisions around intimidation of those involved in the justice system. We are looking at the issue of recruitment of people into criminal organizations. We will be working with the police both in Quebec and elsewhere to talk about law enforcement.

Organized Crime September 18th, 2000

Mr. Speaker, as I said earlier today, and I will reiterate, the solicitor general and I will be sending our officials to Quebec tomorrow to meet with their counterparts. They will meet with other provincial counterparts. You may shake your head, but let me say that officials in Quebec have done some very good work in relation to how we can amend the provisions in the criminal code without using the notwithstanding clause to make them more effective.

Unlike you, I would actually like to know about that work. I would like that work shared with provincial and territorial colleagues to see if we are able to put in place—

Organized Crime September 18th, 2000

Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member for his question. It is an important one.

The hon. member has stated that if one looks at the existing organized crime provisions in fact in 1997 amendments to the provisions introduced much tougher sentences. In fact we have the prospect of imposing up to 14 years in the form of consecutive sentencing.

I cannot comment upon provincial prosecutorial decisions in relation to plea bargaining. There is a former prosecutor here this evening in the form of the justice critic for the Progressive Conservative Party. He probably would be much better placed to talk about what goes into a decision being made by a provincial prosecutor and the provincial attorney general in terms of pleading out or agreeing to a plea bargain in a given situation.

What I want to do is acknowledge the fact, as the hon. member has, that the sections are there. We need to think about why plea bargaining takes place in the justice system. We all know why, but it is frustrating for all of us on occasion to see that these sections are not tested, that the consecutive sentencing provisions are not used or the courts are not given the opportunity to use them because a plea bargain arrangement has been entered into.

The hon. member has raised a serious matter. It is one which I think I should take up with my provincial and territorial colleagues because they are responsible for the prosecution of these sections. We are not. Provincial attorneys general guard that jurisdiction jealously, as the hon. member knows. Therefore I will take the hon. member's legitimate and sincere concern and find out from some of my provincial colleagues why they made the decisions they did in the given cases to agree to plea bargains.

Organized Crime September 18th, 2000

Mr. Speaker, I know that all members share a concern about the serious problem of organized crime. It is a problem that affects all provinces and communities in Canada, be they urban or rural.

Events in Quebec and in other provinces in recent years have shown us that organized crime has many faces. It involves drug trafficking, prostitution, gun running, money laundering and migrant smuggling.

High profile crimes, trials and investigations in Quebec, Manitoba, Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario and other provinces have engaged the attention and concern of all Canadians. The recent events in Quebec, in particular those involving the murder attempt on a respected and courageous Montreal journalist, have brought the problem of organized crime front and centre in the national consciousness.

In the wake of these disturbing events my colleague, the solicitor general, and I have affirmed that the criminal legislation of Canada will be re-examined to see if the tools available to police and to prosecutors are being used to their fullest effect and whether they can be improved.

We and our officials at all levels will be working with the authorities at the provincial and local levels, especially the police who are in the frontlines of this battle, to ensure that adequate and focused resources are available and are applied in a co-ordinated way.

Let us be clear. As I mentioned earlier today, we will be working with our provincial and territorial counterparts to make sure that, if we need new laws, we will get them.

Before we talk about new tools or resources I would like to focus on some of the actions that have been taken in the last few years to address the challenges of organized crime. For example, the anti-smuggling initiative targeting in particular the smuggling of drugs, guns and other contraband by organized crime gangs was introduced in 1994 and I am pleased to say was most recently refunded in June 1999.

The Witness Protection Program Act came into force in 1996. We should ensure and we must ensure that this program is being applied effectively and is adequately resourced.

The Controlled Drug and Substances Act was enacted in 1997. Together with the police enforcement regulations adopted under the act it provides for exemptions for police officers involved in important undercover work in drug cases and for the ability to seize property that is used to commit those crimes.

Bill C-22 was enacted earlier this year and introduced new tools to improve the detection, prevention and deterrence of money laundering in Canada, which is key to attacking the complex web of organized crime. As we all know money is the lifeblood of organized crime.

Most important, in regard to the threat posed by biker gangs and other criminal organizations we put in place measures in Bill C-95. The cornerstone of Bill C-95 was a new offence that made participation in the illegal activities of a criminal organization an indictable offence punishable by up to 14 years in prison to be served consecutively. This provision establishes an offence covering anyone who participates in or substantially contributes to the activities of a criminal organization and who is a party to the commission of an indictable offence for the benefit of, at the direction of, or in association with that criminal organization.

It has been proposed, however, that it should be enough to prove that someone is a member of an identified criminal organization without being able to or being required to prove that he or she has been guilty of any criminal activity. If necessary, it has been suggested that we invoke the notwithstanding clause to support such a proposal.

Such an approach has the advantage of simplicity, but while I am prepared to entertain all proposals to strengthen our existing laws and while I do not outright reject any suggestions, a simple membership offence will have to be carefully and rigorously scrutinized from all perspectives.

It is clear that action against organized crime continues to be a top national priority and that progress has been made on the agenda established in 1999 for this effort. This national effort will employ existing legislative, regulatory and administrative tools as well as new and innovative approaches to do the following: first, to target criminal assets and proceeds; second, to enhance the investigation of organized crime by such means as a better sharing of information; third, to enhance the prosecution of organized crime; and fourth, to safeguard the integrity of the criminal justice system from threats by organized crime in particular by preventing the intimidation of police, prosecutors, judges, jurors, witnesses and other persons who play a critical role in our justice system.

One example of a new and innovative approach is the concept of civil forfeiture. This technique attacks the assets and proceeds of organized crime in a way that is different from traditional criminal law.

This approach is being considered at the provincial level and by officials within the Department of Justice. The constitutional division of powers in Canada poses challenges to this particular approach, but there is a strong will among all governments in Canada to work together to find new ways of dealing with organized crime.

Senior officials from my department and of my colleague, the solicitor general, will be meeting tomorrow morning with their counterparts in Quebec. They are examining together the investigative, evidentiary and other problems being experienced in that province with regard to using the existing legislative provisions that target organized crime. No doubt there will be meetings at all levels with other provincial officials. Organized crime is a pervasive problem that exists throughout Canada, and so we need to work in concert with all our provincial and territorial colleagues to find the solutions.

I believe that improved legislative tools are possible and that their use must be made as effective as possible. Co-ordinated, effective and adequately resourced enforcement efforts by police and prosecutorial authorities at all levels in Canada will be the key to the effective use of new legislative tools.

The justice committee is already examining the problem of organized crime through a subcommittee that began its work recently. The issue of intimidation in the criminal justice system is one issue that I know the committee will no doubt be examining closely along with the many other facets of the problem of organized crime. I encourage the committee to move forward with its work quickly. It is important work.

The problem posed by organized crime is serious. We must be willing to review our laws to see if we can improve them to make them more effective. We need also to look at the efforts we must make to aggressively investigate and prosecute those involved in criminal activity of this kind, but we must also think very carefully before we concede that we cannot in a free and democratic society fight organized crime with effective tools that also respect civil liberties and fundamental justice.

Organized Crime September 18th, 2000

Mr. Speaker, the premise of the hon. member's question is, with all due respect, ridiculous. We are working closely with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. As the solicitor general has indicated, the government has provided an unprecedented infusion of new resources to the RCMP so it can work with its provincial and territorial counterparts to fight organized crime.

Let us not forget that local and provincial policing is a local and provincial matter. However, we are at the table doing our share. As I said before, if we need new laws to fight organized crime we will work with our provincial and territorial colleagues to make sure that we have those effective laws in place.

Organized Crime September 18th, 2000

Mr. Speaker, as I have already said, my officials and the solicitor general's officials are going to Quebec tomorrow. They will be meeting with Quebec officials and other provincial and territorial counterparts.

If we need changes to the criminal code to effectively fight organized crime those changes will be made.

Organized Crime September 18th, 2000

Mr. Speaker, as the hon. member knows, my predecessor, the then minister of justice, worked with Quebec officials and other provincial officials to put in place an anti-gang law that came into force in 1997.

We know by working together that organized crime is pervasive, insidious and that it evolves. Therefore it is important that our laws evolve. My deputy minister and the solicitor general's deputy minister will be in Quebec tomorrow meeting with their counterparts to see what changes we need to make to our laws more effective to break the back of organized crime.

Organized Crime September 18th, 2000

Mr. Speaker, not only is there a plan, there is a plan that federal, provincial and territorial ministers agreed to last year and reiterated their commitment to just last week when we met at Iqaluit.

The hon. member wants to know what we are doing. Well I guess since 1994 he has been asleep. He has missed the anti-smuggling initiative. He has missed the witness protection program. He has missed Bill C-17. He has missed integrated proceeds of crime. He has missed Bill C-95. He has missed Bill C-8. He has missed the cross-border crime forum. He has missed the joint statement on organized crime. He has missed Bill C-51. He has missed the Extradition Act. He has missed the $15 million for surveillance at international airports.

Organized Crime September 18th, 2000

Mr. Speaker, as we have already made clear, since 1994 organized crime and fighting organized crime has been a priority of the government.

As the hon. member should know, and I look forward to hearing his views on it, we issued a consultation paper just a few months ago in terms of the intimidation of key actors in the justice system.

What I find interesting is that nobody, as far as I know, from the official opposition has bothered to comment on that paper.

Organized Crime September 18th, 2000

Mr. Speaker, let me say again that this government has taken the threat of organized crime very seriously. Since 1994 we have been working with the provinces, the territories and law enforcement agencies all over the country to make sure that we have the right laws in place.

Let me assure the hon. members of the opposition that if we need new laws we will get new laws.

Let us look at law enforcement and what we need to do in terms of making sure the police have the tools and the resources necessary to fight organized crime. That is why my colleague, the solicitor general, has been so successful in getting more finances for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and other law enforcement agencies to fight organized crime.