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Last in Parliament November 2005, as Conservative MP for North Okanagan—Shuswap (B.C.)

Won his last election, in 2004, with 46% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Canadian Human Rights Act May 8th, 1996

Madam Speaker, I listened to the hon. member speaking about society.

I stand in a House that was built on the principle of democracy and today I watched the government vote against democracy. By moving closure on this debate it is stopping the people from having their say. If members want to talk about hypocrisy they had better start doing what they are supposed to be doing in a supposedly democratic House.

I wish to express the strong opposition of my constituents to the government's legislation for adding the undefined phrase sexual orientation to the Canadian Human Rights Act.

Since I became a member of Parliament in 1993 no issue, no government action or inaction, has provoked such an outpouring of letters, faxes and petitions to my office. No issue has had a greater impact, yet closure has been moved in the House on it.

People are concerned for many reasons. First is the needless haste, the almost diehard rush of the government, to ram this very important legislation through Parliament without giving the people of Canada adequate opportunity to study its possible impacts and to reach public agreement on whether it is advisable.

The government is pretending, because the bill is so short, that there is virtually nothing in it. People give more apparent thought to getting the oil changed in their cars than the government has given to adding the undefined phrase sexual orientation to a list in the human rights act of forbidden grounds of discrimination.

One other action of this government provoked a similar degree of public protest and that was Bill C-68, which will take police officers off our streets in order to process gun registrations for law-abiding Canadians while doing virtually nothing to end the criminal misuse of firearms. For that legislation the same justice minister made a point of bragging how he had consulted with the public.

Day after day he read to hon. members a list of the groups which he visited, a list of the groups which supported that very controversial legislation. He apparently made a point of at least notifying such groups and now we hear from the groups that this was not true in all cases. But he did express this. He seriously considered amendments, if not outright in their opposition to his legislation, to at least seek consensus and to answer their concerns by modifying his original proposal.

I believe his legislation was bad because there is no proof that it will ever reduce criminal misuse of firearms. At least the justice minister gave an appearance of listening to the people. However, not in this case.

Currently the Canadian pension plan secretariat has been helping with hearings across Canada so that all Canadians can have the opportunity to speak about changes to their pension.

When the subject of doctor assisted suicide came before Parliament during the first session, the other place held extensive hearings and produced a significant report. The government ap-

peared to listen because it did not proceed with legislation. Even now the government is listening to different groups.

Let us look at the Devco development, the Cape Breton Development Corporation, which will seriously affect the future of the Atlantic region, especially the Cape Breton coal mining industry. It is prompting serious Senate hearings to examine the plans put forward. Community members and labour leaders as well as local legislatures have had opportunity to come to Ottawa and lobby members, including officials of Natural Resource Canada, to try to ensure that the best possible decision is made.

We are all aware that sometimes such hearings are more for public relations than for the real purpose of listening to Canadians. However, the people of Canada can at least hope that the government will listen to them. The people can at least get the impression that Parliament, including the Prime Minister and his cabinet, is acting as responsibly as possible about issues which Canadians perceive to be important. Not in this case.

Past governments have viewed it as being so important that people must have hope they will be listened to that they even added a special section to the Criminal Code so that some of the worst criminals in our history would be guaranteed the opportunity of getting a hearing for early parole, even if they have been a serial murderer who has been tried and found guilty. Sometimes they have even confessed their guilt for the killing of many people and for the terrible pain and suffering they have inflicted on the surviving family and friends. Supposedly even those murderers must be assured that there is some hope they will be listened to by the government.

Surely the fact that every member of Parliament has received hundreds if not thousands of faxes, letters and petitions about the government's plan to add the undefined phrase sexual orientation to the human rights act ought to have convinced even this government that the people of Canada view this legislation as very serious business indeed.

What do we get? We get closure. A gag order. That is the government's response to the people of Canada.

Is the government listening? No. Is it showing respect for the fact that very often the people of Canada have a collective wisdom which is far greater than anything displayed by a government? No. Is the government holding cross country hearings? No. Will there be a Senate committee appointed to look into the issue? No.

The Minister of Justice is turning his back on the Canadian people. He is listening instead to a very small special interest group. He has not made any significant effort to seek a consensus from Canadians on how he should proceed.

The government has brought forward Bill C-33 with the kind of extreme haste that reasonable people could only expect when dealing with a major national emergency. By contrast, the west coast grain handlers went on strike during the first session of the 35th Parliament, putting thousands of people out of work and threatening Canada's international reputation as a reliable supplier of grain. Even then the government did not act with such haste.

What effort has the justice minister made on Bill C-33 to contact groups which could reasonably be expected to have concerns or perhaps to oppose the legislation outright? What effort has the government made to seek the consensus of Canadians before proceeding with legislation to add the undefined phrase sexual orientation to the human rights act?

The laws that are made and passed in the House will affect the people of Canada forever, yet the government refuses to consult the people. It is shameful.

Unlike serial killers, which the government thinks must have the hope of special hearings, it gives people opposed to including the undefined phrase sexual orientation in the human rights act no hope at all that their concerns will be examined. Instead it substitutes name calling, like bigot, racist and homophobic to anybody who stands up to question the legislation. That is how much respect the government has for democracy.

The second reason I oppose the legislation is that members of Parliament have not been given any proof that homosexuals and lesbians are not being paid fairly, are not being promoted or are not being admitted as students in our colleges and universities. On the contrary, we have proof. The member for Port Moody-Coquitlam pointed out to the government that the gay population in North America appears to have full access to a standard of living which is considerably above average.

The government usually presents hon. members with pages and pages of statistics regarding, for example, the recognizably lower household incomes of aboriginal peoples compared with non-aboriginal peoples, or the much smaller percentage of women compared with men in management positions. We gets reams of statistics on these issues from the government.

Where are the pages, where are the statistics on this issue? Nowhere. The answer is clear. The government has no statistics to support this legislation. It has never had any statistics supporting this legislation.

I would like to remind my hon. colleagues that the government also assured Canadians that passing the Young Offenders Act would not result in an increase of any youth crime. on the contrary, from 1986 to 1994, violent youth crime-

Petitions May 8th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table a petition from 732 of my constituents. They ask Parliament not to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act or the charter of rights and freedoms by adding the undefined phrase of sexual orientation.

These petitioners state that society does not want privileges of married couples given to same sex couples. They believe this will certainly follow if Bill C-33 is passed.

The Gakhal Family April 19th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, today is my first opportunity for a private member's statement after a terrible tragedy struck the city of Vernon, B.C. where my constituency office is located.

On Easter weekend the Gakhal family was gathering for what was to have been a joyful occasion as one of their six children was getting married. Instead, the estranged husband of one daughter arrived at the home of his in-laws and proceeded to kill nine of his former relatives before he returned to his motel room and took his own life.

This Canadian family was such a long term part of the community that most other Vernon families knew one or more members of the Gakhal family. Their children were friends with children of my office staff.

As the member for Okanagan-Shuswap, I want to express both my personal sorrow and the appreciation of the people of Vernon and the Gakhal family for the moment of silence observed on April 15 by this House as requested by the member for Vancouver South. The funeral Saturday with all those open caskets was one of the saddest days in my life and in the history of Canada.

Canadian Charter Of Rights And Freedoms April 18th, 1996

Yes, and you would be the first.

Canadian Charter Of Rights And Freedoms April 18th, 1996

We already know your view.

Canadian Charter Of Rights And Freedoms April 18th, 1996

moved:

That, in the opinion of this House, the government should consider the advisability of amending section 3 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, according to the amending formula provided for in section 38 of the Constitution Act, 1982, which amendment would read as follows: "Every citizen of Canada, except one who is (a) confined in a penitentiary, a prison, or a psychiatric institution, or ( b ) at large from a place referred to in paragraph ( a ), with or without a lawful excuse, has the right to vote in an election of Members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein.''

Madam Speaker, less than 100 years ago a woman from Victoria, B.C. shocked local citizens by showing up to vote. As a widow she had inherited property from her husband and as a new property owner she was therefore qualified to vote according to the way the franchise was limited at that time of Canadian history.

How times have changed. For the law-abiding adult citizens of a nation to have a real voice in how affairs are conducted now is regarded as a hallmark of democracy. In our lifetime thousands of young Canadians have fought and died on foreign soil to defend that basic principle.

Most recently much of the world was shocked when mainland China conducted war games using live ammunition to discourage the citizens of Taiwan from casting their ballots for Taiwan's new president, the first time voting for president had been allowed in the 5,000 year history of the most populated nation on the planet. With great courage over 76 per cent of eligible Taiwanese voters cast ballots, a great testament to how much those free Chinese valued their new found democracy.

Within our commonwealth of nations the Republic of South Africa based the right to vote on racial qualifications which allowed a small white minority to control the much larger black majority, including through a seemingly endless list of human rights violations until the practice of apartheid recently was ended.

I mention these examples to point out what a precious privilege it is to be able to vote and to be able to run for public office rather than have our lives controlled by totalitarian dictators, or by communist or fascist parties, or by members of a particular race.

Citizens of Canada value that right very highly. Therefore many Canadian citizens were shocked when they realized that our charter of rights and freedoms now has given the right to vote to criminals. Section 51 of the Canada Elections Act disqualified many citizens from voting:

The following persons are not qualified to vote at an election and shall not vote at an election:

(e) Every person undergoing punishment as an inmate in any penal institution for the commission of any offence;

(f) Every person who is restrained of his liberty of movement or deprived of the management of his property by reason of mental disease.

These election act provisions were what Canadians expected.

It is also interesting to note that in the United States, a great democracy and our nearest neighbour, the 14th amendment to the United States Constitution excludes prisoners from voting. Its Constitution has been in the possession of the American people since the 1700s, whereas the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms dates from only the 1980s. It is not surprising that Americans have passed many Constitutional amendments.

At the present time section 748 of the Criminal Code of Canada provides that persons convicted of an indictable offence for which they are in prison for a term exceeding five years cannot hold public office or any employment under the crown. They cannot be elected or sit or vote as a member of Parliament or of a legislative assembly and cannot exercise any right of suffrage.

However, convicted killers have challenged section 51(e) of the Canadian elections act based on the charter of rights and freedoms which now states this in section 3:

Every citizen of Canada has the right to vote in an election of members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein.

This issue has been taken before various courts a number of times. For example, in 1992 the federal government lost a case to Richard Sauvé, who was serving a life sentence in Kingston Penitentiary and had sued the government for the right to vote.

Decisions of the court have been divided and appeals have gone to the highest levels regarding both provincial and federal elections. The courts have decided that the Canada Elections Act does not stand up against the charter of rights and freedoms.

I know from talking with Canadian people that the fact the courts have removed those limitations on who gets to vote is offensive to

the majority of Canadians who are too busy earning a living to appear before royal commissions.

It is a typical example of bleeding hearts who are more concerned with advancing the rights of prisoners than with demonstrating that serious punishments are attached to the commission of crimes.

One of the biggest complaints I hear from many voters in my riding is that offenders get a slap on the wrist for virtually any crime they commit. Working police officers also tell me they feel it is not even worth the paperwork they must complete to get an offender convicted and sent to jail.

It is not as though we throw people into jail at the drop of a hat, even though Canada has one of the highest per capita prisoner rates in the world, second only to the United States. It is not because the Canadian law is so tough that we have so many people in jail. The truth is that crimes of violence have increased by 782 per cent from 1971 to 1994 in Canada. Property crime has increased by 1,031 per cent, although our population has increased by only 27 per cent.

In 1994 almost three million crimes were committed compared with just over a quarter of a million back in 1971. This is an astonishing fact. It is time the government woke up to that. The bleeding hearts, including the justice minister, like only to refer to the past couple of years when certain categories of crime have decreased a little.

Law-abiding Canadians do not feel safe and they want to see offenders punished. One of those punishments should remain that going to jail means losing voting rights. Once offenders have paid their debt to society they should get their voting rights back, but not until that debt is paid.

This position was clearly stated by some witnesses who appeared before the royal commission on electoral reform and party financing which submitted its report in November, 1991. One witness told the commission in Edmonton: "It is a punishment. The reason why they should not receive a vote is that they are not in society in a sense. Until they return to society and act within the confines of our laws, they are barred from certain privileges, one of them being, in my feeling, the right to vote in an election".

In Thompson, Manitoba the commission was told: "We believe that the right to vote is a very special privilege in our country. We believe that once you break the law of the land, part of the deterrent would be the loss of the right to vote as long as you are in prison. I do not believe the charter, at any point, says you have the right to break the law".

The commissioners pointed out that most witnesses supported giving prisoners the right to vote, but none advocated allowing prisoners to stand as candidates.

It also mentioned a brief from the John Howard Society which pointed out that prisoners have the right to vote in Italy, Sweden, Norway and Denmark but not in the United Kingdom, France, Switzerland or the United States.

The number of prisoners and costs raise two more points against allowing inmates to vote. According to testimony of Mr. Jean-Claude Léger, director of operations, office of the Chief Electoral Officer, to the procedure and House affairs committee on April 21, 1994, 6,800 inmates used special voting rules.

According to testimony of the Chief Elector Officer, Mr. Jean-Pierre Kingsley, to the same committee, there were 7,502 incarcerated electors. The cost per elector was $23.81 compared with the cost of $9.38 for the average registered elector outside the penal system.

That number of votes cast in prison could very well mean that prisoners wanting weaker laws to punish crime could determine the outcome in many elections. Votes of prisoners are being sent to their home ridings to be counted, and many elections are won and lost by small margins.

In the riding of Edmonton Northwest the Minister of Natural Resources won over the Reform Party opponent by a mere 12 votes. I wonder how many were cast from the penal system.

Another close call saw the Liberal member for Edmonton East defeat the Reform candidate by 115 votes. With those numbers, it is clear that in prison voters could readily tip the scales of an election.

How fair is that to law-abiding citizens who must support these prisoners at considerable expense? I do not think it is fair at all. Some on the other side of the House probably do.

The other section of the Canada Elections Act to which I draw attention in my motion is that inmates of mental institutions should not be allowed to vote. That may not be the best way to word my concern, but this is a motion intended to push the government in this direction, not for a finished piece of legislation.

The justice department has hundreds of lawyers. Private members have access to only three. Regarding mental hospital inmates voting, in October 1988 the Canadian Disability Rights Council challenged the present wording of section 51(f) of the Canada Elections Act. In its decision, the court basically said that any mental patient 18 and over who can recite his or her name, age and address can be on the voter's list.

Many Canadians are offended by such a low standard to determine who is eligible to vote; lest we forget that anybody who is allowed to vote is allowed to run for office. I am sure Canadians do

not want inmates of mental institutions running for either federal or provincial governments.

Since I have been here I have been told it seems as though for years perhaps the inmates are running the asylum here. Sometimes we wonder.

Witnesses appearing before the Royal Commission on Electoral Reform and Party Financing were divided about voting rights for the mentally ill or the mentally handicapped.

A member of a hospital volunteer committee stated: "We are fiercely opposed to voting by proxy for persons who are mentally ill. We believe the right to vote is essentially personal and can be exercised only by the holder of the right, not by the third party. The psychiatric population is very vulnerable in that risks of abuse are higher than for so-called normal people".

Many people pointed out how difficult it would be to develop a competency test unless the same test were applied to the general voting population. A common sense solution is simply to require that voters be able to get to their home polling station and once there to be able to complete a ballot properly.

The Conservative government issued a white paper in 1986 on election law reform which recommended that mentally disabled Canadians have the right to be enumerated and vote. The white paper also recommended that no polling stations be established in mental hospitals and that residents of such institutions should not have the right to vote by proxy. However, the legislation died on the Order Paper.

There is one category of residents in mental institutions which I know Canadians do not want to see voting, namely, those confined because they are not criminally responsible, the NCR, or not criminally responsible because of a mental disorder, NCRMD, the two terms used by the provinces for mental institution patients forcibly confined for criminal reasons.

Although the rules and details vary from province to province, basically these patients are detained under federal legislation which is administered by the provinces. Having that label means they were deemed to be ill at the time of the criminal offence and therefore were never convicted of an offence. It is a label which has been applied to some of the nastiest criminals in our history.

Currently in British Columbia there are 130 NCR patients detained in the mental institution which has a total of 174 detainee beds.

In Alberta, 36 NCR patients are lodged in two mental institutions. Overall Alberta has 1,000 psychiatric beds and about 10 per cent of those are for forensic.

The figures are small for Saskatchewan and Manitoba with 16 NCR patients under board review in Saskatchewan. Twelve are in Saskatchewan Hospital. Manitoba reports 35 NCR patients in mental institutions representing about half of the psychiatric patients of that province.

Newfoundland reports six to eight in the provincial mental hospital's forensic unit. There were seven or eight in New Brunswick and four or five in Prince Edward Island. Nova Scotia seems to have the greatest difficulty providing this information for me as they are in the process of restructuring.

Neither of the territories has its own forensic mental facilities. Instead NCRs are sent to B.C. from the Yukon and are sent to Alberta from the Northwest Territories.

With the largest populations in Canada, Ontario and Quebec also have the highest numbers of mental patients who are not criminally responsible. In Ontario approximately 550 NCRs account for about 20 per cent of the overall mental patient count of 2,400 to 2,600 beds.

Quebec has 750 NCR patients but it also has review board hearings on others. In 1994-95 there were 988 Quebec hearings, plus six judged unfit for hearing, for a total of 994 patients who were in some form of mental treatment for criminal reasons.

I hope all hon. members are aware that there are many Canadians with mental illnesses of one sort or another. For example, a friend checked herself into the mental illness unit of our local hospital when a drinking problem led to a suicide attempt. She was voluntarily confined but only briefly. She had absolutely no interest in politics at that period in her life.

Section 51(f) of the Canada Elections Act excluded from voting persons confined involuntarily or not able to manage their own affairs due to mental illness.

Canada's standards are changing about including people with various mental disabilities in group homes, sheltered workshops and so on where they often make a real contribution to their immediate families and to the community in which they reside.

The fact that the mentally disabled are loved and valued does not mean they must be allowed to vote. All too often the mentally disabled merely become the pawns of their caregivers. These mentally disabled Canadians are not independent. Even their sources of information can be readily controlled. Therefore, for their own protection as well as to protect the voting process, I believe it is simply common sense not to turn over the running of Canada to people who are mentally incapable either of managing their own affairs or of standing trial for crimes they may have committed.

I must repeat that the people who are allowed to vote are also allowed to run for office. That role is not appropriate for the mentally handicapped.

A final point I wish to raise is a recommendation for an amendment to section 3 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Sections 2 and 7 to 15 can be overridden by an action of Parliament alone, as provided by the override clause in section 33. According to section 33 of the charter, Parliament or a provincial legislature can insert a clause stating that it is passing a given piece of legislation notwithstanding specific provisions of the charter.

Additionally, any federal or provincial law containing such a notwithstanding or overriding clause has to be reviewed and the declaration re-enacted at least every five years or it will not remain in force.

In conclusion, I would like to quote Mr. Chuck Cadman, president of an organization called CRY, for crime, responsibility and youth. He stated:

I certainly support Darrel on this motion. Anybody who's been convicted of a crime against Canadian society has lost their right to vote. When they come out of an institution, fine, but while they are serving their time they should not be a factor in any decision making on who is in power or what the law should be.

Also, Mr. Dave Langlois of the Vernon Courtwatch Society stated:

The members of Citizens Courtwatch Society entirely support your private member's motion No. 143 to amend the charter of rights and freedoms to prevent convicted criminals from voting.

Our government, supreme court and citizens must come to realize that the charter acknowledges that all rights are not absolute and must be in balance with the rights of the law-abiding citizen. A vast majority of our democratic citizens, I can assure you, agree fully with this motion.

I would therefore like to ask for the unanimous consent of the House to make this a votable motion.

Department Of Human Resources Development Act April 18th, 1996

That is the Liberal two step. We are all used to that.

Department Of Human Resources Development Act April 18th, 1996

I would be able to do something useful.

Department Of Human Resources Development Act April 18th, 1996

That would be fine with me. You would not get your pension. If we did not need government, that would be a beauty.

Department Of Human Resources Development Act April 18th, 1996

Bankruptcies.