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  • Her favourite word was dollars.

Last in Parliament November 2005, as Independent MP for Churchill (Manitoba)

Lost her last election, in 2006, with 17% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Supply October 28th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member commented on Bishop Wright's analogy that only angels fly. I am sure all of us recognize that flying goes beyond that.

I am wondering if in any of his comments Bishop Wright talked about ethics. Did he talk about living by the rules and laws while they are in place? If that is not going to be the case, maybe the government side should take a flight to the moon and let the public interest be handled by Canadians and people who care about the public interest.

I have to question a government that does not ensure that the laws are being adhered to. If a government is not doing that, how is it representing the best interests of Canadians?

Supply October 28th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, I would like to verify something with my hon. colleague for Cumberland—Colchester. Is it not true that right now the only real assurance that the government may not be able to increase foreign ownership to 49% of Air Canada is as long as this 10% rule is in place?

If this 10% rule should be thrown out the window, so to speak, then the government would have the opportunity under regulatory powers to increase foreign ownership and in essence turn over an additional percentage of Air Canada—our national airline, or at least it once was, which had a huge amount of taxpayers' dollars in it—to another company outside Canada.

Supply October 28th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, there is no question that there would appear to be a problem with one of the national carriers. For that reason the transport committee was studying it prior to the June recess.

As I indicated to the minister, let us be very clear, I recognize fully that at times laws will have to change. It is not acceptable to anybody that somebody will play outside the rules of the law before the law is changed. Imagine if we have not signed the Nisga'a treaty and we allow everything to happen that is in the treaty before it is passed through legislation. How on earth is there any credibility to the laws of Canada if we allow those things to take place?

Supply October 28th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, I am not suggesting for a second that at any point there may not be a need to change laws.

However, I think it is totally correct to say that we abide by the laws that are there. If the laws change then those laws go into place. In this case there is no credibility in the whole process that is taking place because the law that is in place is not being recognized by one of those offers. It is the process that is the problem. It is going outside the realm of the law.

If the law should change and there is a bid that comes in to that effect, so be it, but that is not the case here. There are too many things that are inconsistent here and leave some question as to whether there has been some influence that is not in the best public interest.

Supply October 28th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise on behalf of the New Democratic Party in support of this motion. I hope in this debate today that we can convince the Liberal government to support this motion as well.

This debate is not about which airline merger, if any, is the right thing for Canada. It is about something much more basic than that. It is about ethics in government. It is about getting the government to uphold the laws of this country. In effect this motion is asking the Liberal government to uphold the law.

We have a law in Canada called the Air Canada Public Participation Act. The law prevents any Air Canada shareholder from owning more than 10% of the company's stock. It is perfectly reasonable to expect the government to uphold the law. That is what governments are supposed to do; that is their job. Normally we would not think we would need a motion in the House of Commons just to get the government to do its job, but in this case we do.

Since this airline crisis in Canada began, the Liberal government has not done its job. The airline industry is vital to our country. In a country as large as Canada with a population spread from coast to coast to coast, a strong, healthy, affordable airline industry is a necessity. It is the government's job to make sure the airline industry serves the public interest, not the shareholders alone.

It is the government's job to stand up for Canadians, Canadian communities and Canadian jobs. The government is not doing that. Instead, the Liberals have been flying by the seat of their pants making things up as they go along. The Liberal government's slow reactions have created uncertainty and made a bad situation worse.

If Canadians should be able to count on the government for one thing, they should be able to at least count on it to uphold the law. It should be a given that everybody in Canada has to follow the same set of laws, the same set of rules, but the Liberal government has not been doing that and has not ensured that that is done.

The Liberals are talking openly about changing the laws to accommodate their friends. I wonder if it has something to do with the $74,000 which Onex gave the Liberal Party and Liberal candidates, including the Prime Minister, in the 1997 election. I wonder.

What I do know is that so far Onex has not played by the same set of rules as everyone else. The whole situation is incredible. First Onex tabled it complex takeover bid just days after the Liberal government conveniently suspended the Competition Act, removing the Competition Bureau's power to review a merger. We heard the Competition Bureau yesterday indicate that the reason this was done was that more than likely it would not have met the test of the Competition Bureau.

I do not know how Onex knew that the Liberal government was going to suspend the Competition Act. Maybe Onex consulted a psychic. More than likely Ronald Reagan's is no longer busy now, so it is taking up some Reform and getting into that type of business.

It is incredible that this company is making a takeover bid, all the while assuming that the Liberal government will change the law for it. Think about it. The Onex takeover bid is technically illegal under the Air Canada Public Participation Act but Onex has just said, “That's okay. The Liberal government will just change the law for us”. That is like saying we are going to steal something because we expect the law to change to make that legal.

I have known for a long time that the Liberal government is under the thumb of some big businesses but this is a new low even for it. I said earlier that this debate is about ethics. Obviously the Liberal government has none.

The government is supposed to be a neutral arbitrator. It is supposed to be the one to stand up for Canadians. Instead it suspended the Competition Act to pave the way for its friends and campaign contributors. Now the government says it is going to change the law to make an illegal takeover bid legal. It is completely unethical.

I do not want to sound like I am being critical of Onex. I am critical of the process the Liberal government has followed. Instead of being a neutral arbiter and putting the interests of Canadians first, the Liberal government has bent over backward to change the rules for one bid. First it suspends the Competition Act and now it is threatening the 10% ownership limit.

People are probably asking why we need the 10% ownership limit. Think for a minute about the name of the act we are talking about, the Air Canada Public Participation Act. The two key words are public participation. The whole point of the 10% ownership is to keep any one shareholder from getting a stranglehold on the company. Air Canada is supposed to be a public company.

Remember that for years Air Canada was an extremely successful crown corporation. The taxpayers of Canada paid for Air Canada. It is clear now that privatizing it was a terrible mistake, a mistake driven by the Mulroney government ideology instead of the public interest. Air Canada belonged to the people of Canada and it was thrown away.

The Liberal government is throwing away the principle of public participation. Public participation is basic democratic value. No wonder the Liberal government is trying to get rid of it. It is in the business of eroding our basic democratic values.

Raising the ownership limit above 10% will open the door for one investor to get a stranglehold on the airline. We cannot allow this to happen. We cannot allow something as important as our national airline to fall under that kind of control. We must keep the ownership of our national airline as broadly based as possible.

What is more, we must bring in a modern regulatory regime to protect the interests of Canadian communities, Canadian jobs and the travelling public. Deregulation got us into this mess and only reregulation will get us out of it.

After 10 years of deregulation we have been left with higher ticket prices, lower wages and less service to remote communities. It is unthinkable that we could allow deregulation to continue in a monopoly situation.

Yesterday I was shocked to hear the Competition Bureau indicate that one of its success stories was that of Canadian Airlines prices and the American Airlines investment. That was its success story. Here we are today, because of the situation Canadian Airlines is in, and that is because competition was all that was looked at. There are things more important than just competition.

One group the Liberal government has completely ignored in the whole mess is the airline employees. The transport minister's policy framework was vague on the issue of protecting workers. All it really says is that workers should be treated fairly.

We have seen how the government treats workers fairly in Canada. In spite of pay equity legislation we have had to spend 15 years fighting the Liberal government fighting the law on pay equity. That means nothing coming from the Liberal government which, as we have seen over the last six years, does not know the meaning of the word fair.

Workers in the airline industry do not trust the Liberal government. They deserve concrete commitments that there will be no involuntary layoffs. No worker should have to lose his or her job because the Liberal government has run our airline industry to the ground.

Time and time again the Liberal government has put the interests of friends ahead of the interests of Canadians.

I have touched on many issues in my limited time here today, but the debate comes down to one crucial question: is the Liberal government going to uphold the law or not? Is it going to do its job as the government? This is the moment of truth for the Liberal government. It is a chance for it to stand up and say “Yes, we will uphold the law. We will stand up for Canadians. We are going to stop the special treatment”. The Liberals can do that if they support the motion and commit not to raise the 10% ownership limit.

This is one of those moments when each and every Liberal MP is going to have to look in the mirror and ask themselves who they were elected to serve. For the sake of the Canadian airline industry, I hope they make the right decision and join my fellow New Democratic Party MPs in supporting the motion to keep the public in the Air Canada Public Participation Act.

Supply October 28th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, my hon. colleague comments on the Bloc preference for Air Canada. I do not think there is any question in this issue that once again we have drawn east-west lines within Canada. One thing I can honestly say with regard to the Bloc members is that at least they are up front about separation and about standing up for Quebec. I have a really hard time listening to Reform members who are willing to sell out Canada at every single turn.

The 10% rule was put in place to ensure broad participation in Air Canada after it was taken from being a public company and privatized. Even the U.S. would not go about doing the things which Reform suggests. The Americans would not allow total takeover of their systems. They do not allow cabotage within the U.S., but the Reform Party thinks it is totally okay in Canada and would allow the U.S. to come in.

I want Quebec to remain a part of Canada, but at least the Bloc members are up front.

Supply October 25th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Charleswood St. James—Assiniboia has indicated that he and the government recognize that the last couple of years have been really hard on farmers for a variety of reasons, rail costs being one of them. A solution for rail costs is not in place as yet. Farmers will not benefit immediately from that at this crucial point.

If the government recognizes the last couple of years of hardship, why would it set up a program that does not take in five to seven years but takes in only the two years of great hardship? Why set up a program that will not meet the needs of farmers out there? From my perspective it sounds a lot like EI where we have it out there but some 40% of the people cannot access it. That is what the government has done to farmers as well.

Supply October 25th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member has rightly noted that the federal government has constantly been saying it had to cut subsidies to farmers due to the trade agreements that are in place. The minister's answer this morning and the fact that the government has cut subsidies up to 60% when it only had to cut to 20% indicate it has really been using one excuse or the other, whatever suits that day.

Does the hon. member agree that the government has abandoned farmers in an effort to meet a budget line and that it has been using the excuse of the trade agreements?

Supply October 25th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, quite frankly it is not surprising that the Liberals would not want to keep the minister here. Obviously he does not have the answer to the agricultural problem.

I want to know what responsible government would abandon its farmers by cutting subsidies by unnecessarily high amounts before ensuring that they would be on a level playing field with other countries.

Petitions October 22nd, 1999

Mr. Speaker, I would like to present a petition on behalf of residents of my riding, as well as throughout Canada, who wish to see the Senate abolished. They recognize that it is an unelected house and Canadians do not need people looking over their shoulders who are not elected representatives. Therefore they would like the unelected house to be abolished.