Crucial Fact

  • His favourite word was business.

Last in Parliament May 2004, as Liberal MP for Toronto—Danforth (Ontario)

Lost his last election, in 2004, with 41% of the vote.

Statements in the House

National Housing Act November 7th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, coming from downtown Toronto I have to stand to defend the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation vigorously. It represents in the greater Toronto area not just support for those in the home building industry. It also sends a signal of confidence to all other sectors of the economy, from the carpet makers to the makers of stoves, refrigerators and the various accoutrements that go into putting a home or an apartment together. Quite frankly those spinoffs have an effect on every region of the country.

When we calculate the contribution of Canada Mortgage and Housing we must not forget its contribution to all spinoffs in the economy.

Protection Of Personal Information Obtained By Certain Corporations Act October 26th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate having the opportunity to speak on Bill C-315, a private member's bill put forward by the member for Cariboo-Chilcotin.

I came into the House not as supporter of the bill initially when I read it. However after listening to the member's speech I became more and more convinced that he had the basis of a solid piece of legislation.

I cannot stand here today and make a final decision on what the government will decide in terms of voting on the legislation, but as a government we will have to look at the bill to see if there is some way to get it into committee.

Basically I support the aim of the bill. I want to make it perfectly clear that the way to achieving that aim should be modified. Some views have been put forward indicating that the bill is unduly burdensome on the industry and that it has a narrow focus when broad based measures are needed to ensure a level playing field for industry while protecting the privacy of Canadians.

Let us deal with the issue of it being unduly burdensome. The bill, and I am not saying it cannot be amended, would require that each time a mailing list is sold would necessitate notification and individual consent. More flexible approaches have been suggested such as the one using a combination of general principles and legislation coupled with industry self-regulation.

Another concern that has been put forward is about the focus of the bill being too narrow at this time. As the bill is written now it applies only to the sale of lists containing personal information when in reality the normal business practice is the rental of such lists. The bill focuses narrowly on lists when a vast amount of personal data can be blended and put together from the consumer transactional data currently exchanged between firms or within a large organization. The definition of personal information provided in the bill is unduly narrow. It is more restrictive than the definition of personal information found in the federal Privacy Act.

Also the bill only applies to corporations when mailing list information is often transferred between individual proprietorships and partnerships that are not organized into corporate forms. That can be fixed also.

Bill C-315 applies to the narrow range of corporations engaging in a federally regulated activity. As used in the bill, federally regulated corporations would include, most notably, those firms operating in the interprovincial and international transportation sectors: broadcasting, telecommunications and the banking industry. Needless to say, many corporations and sectors are exchanging personal data that fall outside these delineated categories.

The effect of the bill is to protect consumers in a narrow range of circumstances from a narrow range of commercial actors in a burdensome fashion without any co-ordination or harmonization with other current or proposed privacy initiatives. If passed in its current form, the result would not be a level playing field of the clear and consistent privacy rules applying to all sectors but a patchwork quilt of uneven privacy obligations from sector to sector, firm to firm, and jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

Other initiatives currently under way might provide a better approach. At least we can listen to some other initiatives. We are currently studying the options, as the hon. member knows. Most notable is the Canadian Standards Association model privacy code ratified in September by a committee consisting of a broad cross section of consumer, private sector and government representatives including Industry Canada's office of consumer affairs, Spectrum Information Technologies and telecommunications units.

Three years in the making the model code sets out 10 principles governing how personal information should be collected, retained, kept up to date, used and disclosed by the private sector. Adoption of the code by firms using mailing lists would tend to ensure that consumers are informed of the existence of such lists and are given the opportunity to consent to their use and to verify their accuracy.

The code is voluntary in nature but a number of different parties have suggested that it could become the basis for flexible framework legislation, leaving it to industry sectors to determine how they would meet the CSA, the Canadian standards.

The CSA code provides a clear example of the commitment and ability of consumer groups, the private sector and governments to work together to develop privacy protection solutions. As the member mentioned in his speech, the Information Highway Advi-

sory Council recommended a broad based, flexible privacy framework legislation drawing on the CSA model code as a basis. We have also received a recommendation from the Canadian Direct Marketing Association urging the creation of a flexible national privacy framework legislation using the CSA model privacy code as a basis.

The essence of both recommendations is the recognition of the need for coherent national privacy standards, protecting the consumer while providing the private sector with a flexible and level playing field.

The member has done a lot of terrific work on the legislation. We have heard him put forward many good ideas in his speech. Over the next while we will have to review the bill to see if there is some way to make some of the necessary amendments.

Small Business Loans Act October 26th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, it is appropriate at this time to recognize the member for Provencher for all the work he has done in our industry committee during the last two years.

When we started the debate on how we could improve access to capital a lot of people thought we would have one or two meetings, bring the banks in and they would probably give us a good public relations speech which would take our eyes off the ball and we would then lose focus on the issue.

I want to say to the member that his courage, commitment and support in keeping a rigid focus on making sure that the whole bank attitude toward small business really changed. It was not just a PR show and then put it on the back burner. It is something we have stuck with over the last two years. The member for Provencher has made a fabulous contribution to the industry committee. I know all members from the Reform Party and from the Bloc Quebecois would certainly support the view I express here today.

My question for the member has to do with the great story about the past operation in his riding, the value added. That was an exciting story for me to hear. I felt like I wanted to rush out to Manitoba. It sounds like there is more action there than in a lot of the regions in the country. I salute the member for that.

I want him to tell me why those entrepreneurs got so excited and moved from exporters of raw products into taking the risks of turning themselves into manufacturers, taking a raw product and going to the finished packaged good? How was that done?

Small Business Loans Act October 26th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, one of the great things the member for Kamloops brings to the House is his ability to remind the Liberal Party from time to time when it tends to move a little too far to the right. The Reform Party influence is pretty obvious in the bill, but we have to focus on some of those matters.

The bill will go to committee. Contrary to what the member said, the bill cannot be amended by regulation. We will make that amendment in committee. Hopefully all members will continue in the same spirit we have had in the committee to amend the bill.

The member alluded to an idea in the first part of his speech about young entrepreneurs needing access to start up capital. It was a very important insight into a very important issue all of us in the House must address. Even Reform Party members would agree. I notice they are agreeing.

I also noticed something in my own community. I ache when I see some young talent that has just finished engineering school or university and the old institutions or the larger corporations that used to be there to provide their first jobs are no longer hiring young people. Many of them are frustrated, and we have not addressed the issue head on in terms of providing entrepreneurial support systems that are required if they are to get going.

I am thinking aloud. When we go into committee I would be interested in the member's views or thoughts on looking at the whole list of criteria in the Small Business Loans Act. Should we look at the notion of including a clause in the bill that deals with young entrepreneurs? The bill could be a tool used by banks to make them a little more sensitive. Obviously the bill will help bank managers take the extra risk they probably would not take on their own.

What would the member for Kamloops say about possibly looking into that area as a way of altering the bill to look after young entrepreneurs?

Small Business Loans Act October 26th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the member for Western Arctic for participating in this debate, for supporting the bill and talking about the importance of small business, especially in the north.

I would like to ask a question that arises from an experience I had three weeks ago when I was travelling in Austria. I met some Austrian businessmen who had travelled to the north on tourism trips to hunt and to enjoy the beauty of the Arctic. They felt there was tremendous potential and opportunity for tourism in the north, especially if there were more extensive promotion in Europe. They also thought there was an opportunity to develop a tourism infrastructure in the north.

I wonder what the member's experience has been when she talks with the small business men and women in her community who are tourism operators, who have incredible potential with the resources of the north. What has been the experience of those small business entrepreneurs with the financial institutions in this country? Do they find the financial institutions are becoming much more progressive in their thinking and are supporting these small businesses with loans to build those businesses so they can promote these opportunities? What has been her personal experience as a member of Parliament serving the tourism operators in the north?

Grandparents Day October 25th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I have to say through you to my colleague from Davenport, who has led the way for so many of us on environmental issues in this House, that as a government we must pay attention to his words right away.

When I was working on the Hill as a young assistant back in the early 1980s and the member for Davenport was Minister of the Environment, he helped put us on the international map with his campaign on acid rain. I have experienced his passion and his commitment. I have been exposed to his knowledge on this issue on a thousand different occasions.

I can only say to the member for Davenport that his words will be communicated directly to the minister and to the cabinet. With the trust that we as a government have in his advice, I am sure we will be moving on his recommendations in the near future.

Grandparents Day October 25th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I want to say that the member is absolutely right. In opposition we opposed Bill C-91. I not only opposed it in the House, I set up a display in my office on the Danforth pointing out the difficulties with Bill C-91.

We lost that vote, and the mechanism for Bill C-91 was put in place by the previous government. In many respects it is not unlike the GST. We campaigned vigorously against the GST and we lost in opposition, but the entire infrastructure and the mechanisms for the GST were put in place. When we were given the trust two years ago today, one of the things we had to face was the challenge of doing something about the GST. This bill is in many respects similar to that challenge.

The minister has said that we are currently evaluating the impact of Bill C-91. There is a parliamentary review process that will be invoked in 1997. The challenge presented by the drug patent policy is to ensure that it conforms with all the international trade obligations and supports the development of our pharmaceutical industry while making patented drugs available to Canadian consumers at non-excessive prices.

I want to reassure the member that we are not running away from our concern about what takes place with Bill C-91. He should know that not only the government but many members in the House share many of his views. We are very wise to the marketing in this industry. He will just have to be patient a little longer so that when we attack this issue we will do it in a rational and totally constructive way so that we will not upset the infrastructure that has been put in place and the investment that has already been started.

Grandparents Day October 25th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I support for this motion which would designate the second Sunday in September as grandparents day.

It is appropriate to recognize the members for Don Valley North and Mission-Coquitlam. It must bring a tremendous amount of satisfaction for these members to come to the House in their first term to present a bill that receives the support of all parties and eventually goes through the whole House. I congratulate my colleague.

Small Business Loans Act October 25th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I want to compliment the member for Durham on his remarks. I especially want to thank the member for Durham for all his work in committee during the last two years since his coming to the Parliament of Canada.

One reason we have had such success and why I believe small business is heading in the right direction is because our team of Reform Party members, the Bloc, and Liberals all worked together on the committee to try to make sure we had a fist when we went to the banks and other financial institutions as we were pleading for help in accessing capital for small businesses.

My question for the member has to do with start-up. In his experience as an accountant helping small businesses deal with banks, does he not think that one area we are going to have to do a lot more work on is making sure that the attitude and culture of

bank mangers changes dramatically toward people who are starting businesses, versus people who have been in business for a long time?

With all of the downsizing going on in both large businesses and governments right now, we have many people who are starting a business for the very first time. In order to really achieve success they are going to need help from financial institutions in this country. I believe that banks are going to have to change their attitudes dramatically for start-ups.

I wonder if the member for Durham, who is also an accomplished accountant in his field, could comment on that.

Small Business Loans Act October 25th, 1995

It was not patronage. I remember the principles of the country tended to be more Liberal than anything else.

It was the McCain organization. That very small business has grown to be one of the absolute jewels of industry not just in Canada but throughout the world. It has expanded its business not just in Canada but all around the world. It has created jobs and developed technology.

The Government of Canada got its $4 million back within the first year. Since 1980 we have probably received 100 times that amount in taxes and job creation.

Reform members really irk me from time to time. They talk about the importance of entrepreneurship. They talk about the importance of enterprise having a proper environment to get the job done. Most of them come from western Canada. Companies in western Canada receive the biggest grants of all, especially in the oil and gas sector. They are given grants which are buried in the tax act. Those tax grants are no different than direct cash grants.

I support the thrust of Reform Party members when they talk about cleaning up, simplifying and developing a fairer tax system.

However, they cannot take a cheap shot at an act of Parliament that is trying to help small business without realizing they are giving tens of millions of dollars worth of grants to businesses in their ridings through the tax act.