Crucial Fact

  • Their favourite word was farmers.

Last in Parliament October 2000, as Reform MP for Portage—Lisgar (Manitoba)

Lost their last election, in 2000, with 10% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Royal Canadian Mint Act October 23rd, 1998

Mr. Speaker, this is getting very interesting but maybe a little off topic. Just to prove how far off base the Conservatives are, we have a tremendous candidate running for the Conservatives with a new vision, with new ideas, who would probably make a tremendous prime minister, but the only Conservative from Brandon—Souris will not support this gentleman.

I would ask the hon. member if Mr. Pallister wins the leadership whether he will be prepared to resign his seat so that he can really become the leader of the Conservatives.

Apec Inquiry October 23rd, 1998

Mr. Speaker, Gerald Morin's denials are not enough. All we have heard in this House are denials, denials and more denials from the solicitor general to the Prime Minister. Canadians have lost confidence in the RCMP Public Complaints Commission.

Will Canadians also have to lose confidence in this government, or is this government going to appoint a public judicial inquiry and do the right thing for Canadians?

Canadian Wheat Board Act October 21st, 1998

Mr. Speaker, it is always a pleasure entering a debate on the Canadian Wheat Board.

I suggest the auditor general should not audit books just of government agencies but also the common sense of the Liberal government. The auditor general would have a very small job. It would not take him very long.

When I hear members on the government side saying look at what the wheat board is doing, let the members opposite tell me why every farmer is growing more canola than the previous year. The farmer is growing more lentils, more navy beans and more hemp. The Liberal government supported the growing of hemp. If the wheat board is doing such a good job with their grains why do we need all these other crops? Why can these crops work on an open market?

We sold our canola at an average of 30 bushels an acre for an average of better than $8 a bushel. My neighbour is selling barley for 11 cents. Good lord, how is my neighbour supposed to grow the bloody stuff? He cannot even drive it to the fields to sow it for that price. This is the job the wheat board is doing for us?

A commodity broker phoned me about two weeks ago and asked why he cannot buy durum from Canada. He said he bid $20 a tonne over asking price at Thunder Bay for a unit train of durum and he cannot buy it, but on the world market they are selling the same bloody durum for $20 under the asking price. He says every trader on the floor knows this.

Why are the Americans upset over the Canadian Wheat Board dumping grain? Why is this government putting at risk $1.73 billion worth of livestock going into the U.S. because it will not have a transparent wheat board? This government will not allow people to look at what it is dumping into the U.S.

We are setting the stage for a depression in western Canada if we do not get transparency. The American farmer is quite willing to compete with the Canadian farmer but he is not willing to do it at the risk of having Canadian products dumped into their market at half price. The Americans cannot subsidize their farmers enough. The Europeans cannot subsidize their farmers enough to keep up that kind of marketing system.

We need co-operation between Americans and Canadians to fight the Europeans who are our enemy but common sense on that side of the House tells us no, let us play politics with this issue. Let us do exactly what we have been doing for the last 45 years. Do the politicking on the backs of Canadian farmers. Let them suffer. The farmers cannot put food on their own tables and this government does not have enough common sense to have the books audited by the auditor general, the most accountable, the most respected person in this government.

If that is anything less than a little common sense what do we expect of our government? What will we expect of it next? Protest signs coming down and pepper spray. What are we going to do to the farmers so they keep selling grain through the wheat board, water cannons, pepper spray or what?

At this rate farmers cannot afford to grow this grain anymore. When we get 11 cents for barley, $2 for number one high protein milling wheat it does not work to pay for a $250,000 combine. It does not pay to pay our property taxes on the land. We cannot do it.

If this government does not smarten up and get realistic and put some the money into wheat board grains we are not going to have farmers left. All we are going to have is some hobby farmers who are working for the government or some other agency to put enough money up so they can afford to truck their grain to the field, sow it and then truck it off and give it to the wheat board.

We cannot afford to live without a profit. The only profit in the Canadian farm scene today is special crops and this government knows it. This government has been supporting the industry of special crops or it would not have put the motion on the floor to grow hemp. These people have been smoking something and I do not know what it is. We cannot get it through their thick heads that competition sets the price in the world today, competition drives the markets, competition will be there and it will make farmers profitable.

Canadian Wheat Board Act October 21st, 1998

moved that Bill C-283, an act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act (audit), be read the second time and referred to a committee.

Mr. Speaker, it is pleasure to rise in the House on my private member's Bill C-283, an act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act. It would allow the auditor general to audit the books of the Canadian Wheat Board.

We will have a new board of directors of the Canadian Wheat Board. It would be a tremendous asset if these directors had some guidelines to follow to know that the CEO of the board was performing his job properly or whether amendments could be made.

To have an independent audit of a board that is a monopoly is a tremendous asset. Up to now private auditors have done the audit. They probably have done a good job, but no one really knows because there has not been an independent look at the books to see whether they are in order.

Over the past couple of months the auditor general has come out vividly in favour of having some auditing done. He agrees that it is time because the government guarantees that he should have a look at the board's books to see whether there are good internal operations of the board.

Deloitte & Touche did an independent assessment of the board in 1992. That internal audit was never released to the public or to farmers. We do not have an idea of how critical the report was. The facts released after the audit were critical of how the board operated. They did not criticize the way the board marketed grain, but they criticized its business plan, how it operated and other mechanics of the board.

I became interested in how the Canadian Wheat Board operates when farmers came to me with concerns in 1994, shortly after I was elected. In 1992 Saskatchewan farmers suffered from the effects of a huge frost. In 1993 Manitoba farmers suffered from the fusarium outbreak because of excess moisture in wheat. Because the board in 1993-94 put out a notice that it would not be purchasing any of the fusarium wheat that had more than 5% fusarium it was unmarketable. Some farmers burnt their crops because there was no market for them.

The majority of farmers felt that if they harvested their crop they could somehow clean it up and use it as feed or in some other way. Some farmers were using it as fuel in their furnaces. Then some innovative farmers found a market in the United States for it. They had found a way of cleaning up that grain and were quite willing to accept it.

Some farmers along the border started exporting this grain and found out they needed an export licence. They went through legal procedures to get export licences for grain that was not marketable, which was not a big concern to farmers. They thought they should have had the right to sell the grain at the price they could get and keep the money in their own pockets.

The board created a buy-back program so the farmers had to pay the board first. They had to sell the grain to the board, buy it back at a higher price, and then market it themselves. Farmers were not even opposed to that idea because they had a pooling system. If everybody was treated equally the moneys they were charged would go into the pooling system and they would then share in those funds.

Lo and behold, about six months after the crop year ended and the pooling price had been paid out, some of the farmers started getting bills for storage of grain that had sat in their bins until they exported it to the U.S. This grain had never entered an elevator. Because they had signed a contract to export it and the U.S. elevators were full, it could not be delivered at the time and they were charged storage for having the grain in their bins.

When they came to me with these documents I discovered they had been charged storage, freight, elevation and cleaning to Thunder Bay, and the wheat had been in their bins all the time. I then started to investigate further and found out when they bought the gain back the grain companies or the wheat board charged the farmers as much as $1 a bushel more than they sold it to the grain companies that exported the grain. They were getting hammered double and that is where the M-Jay Farms class action suit started.

The board had no way out. It could not defend itself. Its only defence was to say that it had no mandate to sell their grain for the best price possible. The only mandate the board had was to sell the grain in an orderly fashion.

We have sold grain in an orderly fashion for 45 years. In western Canada today we see that the orderly fashion is fast disappearing because farmers cannot survive any longer. This is why I have been pushing for the last three or four years to get an accountable board that will work for the farmers, not for the corporation itself.

To show why it is so important, Mr. Beswick, one of the chief commissioners of the board, resigned in 1994-95 over the issue of feed barley being sold below cost price or below what the price should be. He came out in public and said “We have cost farmers this last year probably $180 million by underselling that feed grain”.

In western Canada $180 million is a lot of bucks to farmers. Not only is it a lot of bucks to western Canadian farmers, but they are lost tax dollars to the government or to the taxpayer. Whatever the loss is in terms of the taxes farmers would have paid on the grain, it has to be picked up by the ordinary taxpayer and somebody loses. It is important that we have a wheat board which extracts the maximum amount of grain, not just for the benefit of farmers but for the economy and taxpayers.

I will give just a few examples because I want to share as much time as I can with my colleagues on this issue. In March 1993-94 when the first farmers started shipping some of their 1992 crop year grain which had been impacted by frost in some areas, U.S. No. 1 wheat sold for $3.99 a bushel. The Canadian export price for No. 1 feed wheat was $109 a tonne. During the summer the prices of wheat in the United States increased by $1 a bushel. By September the wheat was worth $4.93 cash at Minneapolis.

The wheat board raised the export price of No. 1 feed wheat to $116, a difference of $9 or 25 cents a bushel when the wheat was worth at least $1 U.S. more in the United States. That meant farmers were losing at least $1 a bushel because of the failure of the wheat board to raise the export price.

That was not the end of the story. By December the price of wheat increased another $1 a bushel and we had American milling wheat selling in Minneapolis for $5.73. Does anyone know what the Canadian Wheat Board did? It lowered the export price for No. 1 wheat to $104 a tonne from $116 a tonne. Did that make any sense? We knew that because of the fusarium our feed wheat that year had protein of 14.5% to 15%, some of the highest protein wheat that we had ever grown, and the Americans cleaned it up and used it for milling wheat. The loss to our farmers was huge.

From the research I have done, on the 2.2 million tonnes that went into the U.S. as feed wheat, not durum or milling wheat, farmers lost at least $150 million. The spread between feed wheat in 1992-93 was $60 a tonne. The spread between feed wheat and milling wheat in the U.S. in 1993 was $130 a tonne. That is about a $4 a bushel spread. It did not make any sense. The wheat board refused to look into the issue when farmers phoned them and told them what the wheat was worth.

This is why it is important for the Canadian government to insist that the auditor general takes over the books, not just audit them to see if the prices are right but to see whether the board is running efficiently and for the benefit of the country and not just for the benefit of the board itself.

Another thing I would like to raise may be just as important as what I was saying on feed wheat. In 1995-96 when American grain prices were the highest in history wheat sold for $7.25 American a bushel. Corn sold for $5.25 to $5.50 a bushel. Our wheat board refused to sell grain into that market. Instead of selling the 1.5 million tonnes allowed by the Americans into their market, it only sold 750,000 tonnes. It cut the sales by half. The board would not allow farmers to export their own grain because it set the buy-back price at $9 and something a bushel just to eliminate the competition. I call that robbery. It was devastating to our farmers in western Canada.

Not only that, the following winter was one of the toughest in western Canada. There were transportation problems. An extra million tonnes of grain was carried over. It was more than in previous years. We refused to sell because of the board policy. It does not make sense. Now when we see we are to get an elected board of directors maybe we will have some changes. That is why it is so important for the auditor general to have control of the books.

We had 11 elected advisory board members for the last 10 to 12 years who were supposed to guide the board along. These advisory board members had the right to look into every portion of the audit and into every detail. They never once told farmers what was happening to their grain.

Six months before the commissioner of the board, Bill Smith, accidentally passed away he told a group of farmers “If I could walk out of this place today and tell you what is happening to your wheat or your grain it would be astounding, but I have two more years to serve before my term has ended and I can retire. I have to follow secrecy. I cannot divulge what is happening in the board”.

When we talked of human rights issues today, when we look at the APEC issue, people do not have the right to protest with signs. People do not have the right in western Canada to sell their grain for the best price.

Agriculture October 9th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the minister of agriculture. With farm income having dropped between 40% and 80% and farmers even having problems putting food on their own tables, why has his government abandoned its red book one promise to reduce farmers' input costs and to introduce a whole farm income stabilization program? Where is it? When is it coming?

Agriculture October 6th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, recent blockades of Canadian farm products by certain U.S. states have interfered with the movement of Canadian grain and livestock.

The Liberals are wrong when they claim that these border skirmishes are just grandstanding U.S. politicians. The disputes go much deeper. In fact the allegations of dumping grain by Canada into the U.S. market and the concern over subsidies on Canadian feed grains in the livestock industry have been major sources of these disputes for years.

U.S. documents suggest the Canadian Wheat Board has undersold farmers grain into the U.S. market in direct violation of NAFTA. There is also concern that grain companies are dumping surplus off board wheat and barley into the U.S. market.

If these border disputes are to be eliminated both Canadian and U.S. politicians must become receptive to the issues and problems of farmers. Only then can we hope to provide a fair and level playing field.

Royal Canadian Mounted Police June 12th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, RCMP informant John McKay was an agent working on a smuggling investigation in Manitoba called operation decode.

After receiving death threats, including a sympathy card sent to his mother, McKay asked for protection and was denied. He was murdered within months.

I would like to ask this government why the RCMP did not protect the life of John MacKay. Something is very wrong.

Canadian Wheat Board Act June 10th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I am running out of answers. The questions are coming fast and furious.

I would put it this way. I have given my viewpoint as strongly as I can and I think my colleagues have done the same. I must say we have become very successful in this debate. Look at the audience we have on the Liberal side. Look at the ministers putting in some work or listening. After all it is close to midnight.

We are doing something right on this side. I will turn it over to the minister and ask him whether he would like to respond to that question too. I would like to ask unanimous consent from the House to have him reply.

Canadian Wheat Board Act June 10th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I agree completely with the gentleman. The only thing I do not agree with is that they are not buying votes in Ontario by giving farmers a marketing choice. They have the votes in Ontario and they are desperately trying to hand on to them. That is why they are allowing their farmers to have these options.

If they want some votes in western Canada they better come clean and give us the same opportunities, or they will divide the country more than they have so far.

Canadian Wheat Board Act June 10th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for that question. I cannot figure it. I do not know why. Politically what is being done is dumb. The Liberal caucus will not gain any votes by doing what it is doing.

Some day it would be very wise, as I have said before, to have free votes on some of these issues. They would understand better. The Liberal MPs from Ontario do not object to Ontario farmers having a totally elected board and having the option of selling some or all of their grain to the export market in the United States. They want it. Western farmers want it. Why do they not give it to them?

If they can declare the Canadian Wheat Board voluntary its business would pick up. It would handle more grain. Over the 35 years I have farmed people always supported the wheat board regardless of whether or not they made money. They felt it was an agency that could be trusted. All of a sudden they lost trust in the wheat board.

When the farmers came to me I started looking into the irregularities. I never expected in all my life that I would have to deal with that issue as my first issue as an MP. I never dreamt of it. The more we looked into it and the more documentation we looked at, we found something was wrong. When one farmer gets $1 to a $1.10 more than another farmer for the same quality wheat something is wrong in the pooling system.

It did not happen to strangers. It happened in my family. It happened to two of my brothers. They farmed 10 miles apart. One actually had better quality wheat. He got a $1.10 less a bushel than the other brother who had poor quality fusarium wheat. It was because there was competition between elevators in one place and in the other place there was not.

To all members on that side and to the minister I say to me that is not honesty and not what the pooling system was set up for. That is why I think these people cannot understand. We have 101 seats in Ontario. They satisfy their farmers but they are not willing to give the same opportunities to farmers in western Canada. It will backfire.