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  • His favourite word was quebec.

Last in Parliament May 2004, as Bloc MP for Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay (Québec)

Won his last election, in 2000, with 66% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Human Reproductive And Genetic Technologies Act October 31st, 1996

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to speak to this topic today, a topic that gives me the shivers. As you know, when we talk about reproductive technologies, we are talking about research, genetic engineering, all sorts of things. It is a debate that could not have taken place 30 years ago. As research advances, we must ask ourselves serious questions, and I am glad that we are discussing them. This is a field of medicine that was once in the realm of fiction, but has now become reality. We can see what the consequences will be in the longer term.

I was listening to the speech by my colleague across the way, on the government side, and there are certainly a number of points on which we do not agree. What bothers me the most, as I have just said, in such an extremely delicate matter-

The Computers For Schools Program October 30th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, the Liberals have goofed again with their strategy to denigrate the Government of Quebec by spreading falsehoods, which have reduced the little credibility they had in the eyes of the people of Quebec to zero.

On October 22, the parliamentary secretary to the minister of heritage stated, in connection with the program providing computers to schools, and I quote: "Quebec schoolchildren will not be able to take advantage of the program, as the PQ government has refused to take part in it." He went on to say that the duly elected Government of Quebec was "depriving young Quebecers of a privileged access to computer resources".

According to Department of Industry figures, as at April 1996, the Government of Quebec has received over 5,300 school computers under the program. Once again, the heritage minister, through her parliamentary secretary, is proving that the federal Government's campaign to denigrate the Government of Quebec is totally unfounded.

Rather than carrying out a disinformation campaign, the minister should discuss things with her Liberal colleague, the Minister of Industry, in order to get an update on this.

Bankruptcy And Insolvency Act October 10th, 1996

moved:

Motion No. 1

That Bill C-5, in Clause 104, be amended by replacing lines 32 to 39 on page 62 with the following:

"104. Section 177 of the Act is repealed."

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to speak today on this piece of legislation to amend the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act, and specifically on the clause relating to student loans. In fact, this is why I decided to wear the crest of the university closest to my riding, the Université du Québec à Chicoutimi, which is located in the riding of my colleague from Chicoutimi.

When an individual declares bankruptcy, the court usually makes an order of discharge, which releases the individual from all claims or, in other words, from his or her debts. However, section 178, appendix I, provides for six claims that are not released from

by an order of discharge. The bankrupt is thus required to pay off his or her debts in spite of his or her bankruptcy.

Clause 105 of the bill adds a paragraph to section 178 of the Act that stipulates that any debt or obligation in respect of a loan made under a federal or provincial student loans act cannot be discharged if the bankruptcy occurred before the date on which the bankrupt ceased to be a student or within two years after the date on which the bankrupt ceased to be a student.

Everybody knows that it costs a lot of money to go to college or university. The costs are constantly going up, year after year. Students have to work and get a summer job. That is fine, except that some students have trouble making both ends meet, and, at times, this is almost impossible. They cannot repay their student loans, which may reach around $30,000, or even higher for the students who are from remote areas and have to move to Montreal, for instance, to study and have to pay for an apartment, over and above their tuition fees. All of this costs a lot of money.

When there is no other way out, a student has the right, like any individual or small business in this country, to go bankrupt. However, this new bill says that they will no longer be able to do so.

Some people may say: "Of course, students go to university, spend years studying and then, when the time comes to pay back their student loans, they can look at all their debts and decide to go bankrupt. And then, the government has to foot the bill".

Of course, some may think that, but I have personally met with members of student associations from Quebec, who told me this is not so. Going bankrupt is not an option for them. You cannot think that you can snap your fingers and all your student loans will have disappeared. This is a very sensitive issue. Yes, there may have some abuse in some areas, like anywhere else, but I think this is a sensitive issue, because what we are talking about here is education and that, to me, is not an expense for our country, or should I say for both our countries, but rather an investment. But I do agree that it is expensive.

This bill raises some concerns. Could it lead some students to be afraid of attending post-secondary institutions? One has to wonder about that, especially since ten years ago students had the right to go bankrupt, that is obvious. But then, the situation back then was different. After graduating from university, it was much easier for students to find a job and therefore to repay their loans.

According to the government, there are much too many bankruptcies today. These are not voluntary; people have no choice. Most of the time, young people go bankrupt because they cannot make both ends meet. Thus, it is rather a pity to look at the situation this way.

Furthermore, we know there was some disagreement in the task force, in particular concerning the special immunity for student debts and its possible effect on access to higher education, as I mentioned earlier.

So, why am I against the government's proposal? Clearly, the government went along with the task force's proposal without asking itself what really was behind this change. For the government, mere fiscal considerations took precedence over the logic of the proposal.

Is education an expense or an investment? Sure, when we promise to cut the deficit, we have to make all kinds of cuts, I agree, but cutting funding for education may not necessarily have a negative impact now and allow us to boast, a couple of years from now, that we have reduced the deficit. However, I worry-and this is quite legitimate at my age-about possible negative effects in the long run, since education is a long term investment.

Moreover, I think this proposal is discriminatory. The government gives special treatment to student debts, which it does not do for other similar categories of debts owed to the government. Section 178 of the act lists other categories of debts that cannot be released by an order of discharge.

However, these other categories apply to people such as defrauders, convicted offenders who have to pay a fine, people who default on their alimony payments, people who obtained property under false pretences, and now the government is adding students to that list. Wow! This is putting students who, I think, are the future of our nation in the same boat with convicted offenders and people who default on their alimony payments.

The government is including students in the same category as these people who break the law and who do not respect court orders. Treating students like this is totally unacceptable and discriminatory.

Moreover, this proposal was made without a careful study of the situation. All the government did was look at the figures and say: "The student bankruptcy rate is increasing and it must be because of abuse. Therefore, we will take away their right to declare bankruptcy". It did not take a close look at what is really going on and did not take the economic climate into account.

Some blamed students, saying that they party a lot, they travel, etc. Not all students do that. Yes, some students are well off, they use their parents' car to go to school and have no problem at all going to university. But what concerns me is those who are not in that situation and who will be affected by this bill. It is thought that there are abuses, so it is decided to cut assistance to students, but there has been no study or survey to look at what prompts students or graduates to declare bankruptcy.

Given the rate of unemployment and the economic difficulties facing young people, it is somewhat cynical to claim that students are deliberately declaring bankruptcy. Therefore, in the absence of a serious study of the reasons why students or those who have just completed their studies declare bankruptcy, it is completely irresponsible to introduce a discriminatory, unfair and inequitable measure on the mere strength of an increase in the number of bankruptcies among those with student loans.

Furthermore, this increase is probably due to the poor economic situation in which young people find themselves, to the high rate of unemployment they are experiencing and to increases in tuition fees that are not unrelated to federal government cuts. Members will recall the Axworthy reform. I took part in a march to protest these measures. All this is having the repercussions we see.

I could also speak about the last question I put to the Minister of Human Resources Development about the Young Canada Works Program. There were $60 million remaining and the government did not seem to know where, to spend them is not how I should put it, but to invest them. This is what makes me wonder today.

It is in light of these facts that we have moved the amendment to eliminate this paragraph. I hope that the government will not turn a deaf ear and that it will keep one foot in reality. We have been told that a university education is an investment in our future that will lead to a job. I would agree that that is still the case and I recommend it. But the good old days are gone, and now that the economic situation is worse, we are making it harder for students.

We will therefore vote against this bill, unless our amendment is carried.

Manganese-Based Fuel Additives Act October 8th, 1996

This is quite unbelievable, Mr. Speaker. The hon. member opposite is giving us this rhetoric about his bill preserving life on this planet, when there are no studies backing his claims.

Here is a member's statement under Standing Order 31, announcing the opening of a $153 million ethanol plant in Chatham, Ontario. The debate today is not about the environment, it is about patronage and lobbying.

Manganese-Based Fuel Additives Act October 8th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, I will speak along the same lines as my colleague. I would like to take this opportunity to talk about a letter I have here that was sent by the Minister for International Trade to the Minister of the Environment, asking him to wait. Once again, we see a lack of consistency even within the government.

As far as I am concerned, all I said today sums up the matter well.

Manganese-Based Fuel Additives Act October 8th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, I would point out that the province of Quebec, of which Lucien Bouchard is the premier, is against this bill. I am not referring to when the Conservatives were in power, I am talking about the present.

I think my colleague across the way has not properly understood where my disagreement lies. Perhaps I digressed. Concretely, in short, imports of a product are banned without any certainty that it is harmful for the environment.

In reality, we are well aware that interprovincial trade will not occur. The provinces are entitled to produce manganese, no problem with that. Yet we know that they will not. We know that the Ontario lobby has said that, if the government were to ban manganese, that would make it possible to add ethanol to gas, and ethanol is produced in Ontario. As I have just said, there are not even any studies available to demonstrate that ethanol is environmentally any cleaner.

As my colleague has just pointed out, I am asking for a six month hoist to find out where we are at with this. I get the impression that a bill is being introduced just for the pleasure of introducing a bill, in order to show they are looking after the environment by passing some wonderful bill.

Manganese-Based Fuel Additives Act October 8th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, Bill C-29 would prohibit the importation of the manganese-based

gasoline additive methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl, a chemical expression that sounds complicated but is sometimes more straightforward than the government's logic.

When the people of my riding chose a young person to represent them in this House, I think they were fully aware of the fact that one of the benefits of electing young politicians is to be able to plan ahead, 30 years ahead maybe.

The environment is an issue very close to my heart because decisions made today might have disastrous effects 30 years down the road. I hope that I will still be around in 30 years. There is a fairly good chance of that. At least, I hope so.

Carbon monoxide emissions must be reduced to an absolute minimum. Studies show that there is a gasoline additive that helps reduce by up to 20 per cent these carbon monoxide emissions which are so harmful to our environment and to our health.

This additive is manganese, or MMT if you prefer. Even those who oppose the use of MMT agree that using this substance helps cut carbon monoxide emissions by approximately 5 per cent.

So, if we try to understand the reasoning of the Liberal government, something not always easy to do, it agrees and even seeks to let our atmosphere get polluted even more than it already is. Once again, the government wants the public to believe that the environment a priority. However, this bill is proof that it is really not the case.

When I talk about the environment, I always feel a twinge of sorrow because, in spite of what some may claim, the current situation is not pretty. There are problems with the ozone layer in the north, and the smog is everywhere in the south. Our water is highly polluted. We can no longer drink the water of our lakes and, in some places, we cannot even swim or fish any more. Clear-cutting is also a widespread phenomenon.

Recently, the Minister of Human Resources Development said I was a frustrated young person. He was right, because it is not always easy for an environmentalist to speak in this House.

Indeed, I am somewhat frustrated because the previous generations were a bit careless and now we have to pay the price. With bills like this one, it is hard to say: "Yes, we know what is going on and this is where we are headed". I feel this bill is a step backward. It is disappointing.

Hubert Reeves said: "The universe gives rise to complexity. Complexity gives rise to efficiency, but does efficiency make sense?" Looking at all the pollution created worldwide, I think that efficiency does not necessarily make sense.

Unfortunately, a lot remains to be done in the environmental sector. I sometimes have the impression that we have been mistaken in a number of areas, but the time has now come to take concrete action, and I think it is still taking too long. There is a tendency to stick one's head in the sand, to try to show that things are just fine.

I cannot overlook the fact that last week I heard a very influential minister in the government saying that things were going well in Canada. It is unbelievable, when we know that the unemployment rate is over 10 per cent, that young people are fed up. Even when they graduate with a university degree, there are almost no jobs. Canada has the highest rate of suicide in the world. The debt is over $600 billion, but things are going well. It is too bad, but it is an indication of where we are headed.

I see that some members of this House are reacting, and I am glad, because they should. You will tell me that you find me rather pessimistic, but what I want to be is realistic. The bottom line is that I was recently reading in a Quebec publication that 50 species disappear every day worldwide. The bottom line is that we are destroying the habitats of these species every day, by destroying our soil, our waterways and our air. The bottom line is that it is the air we breathe that we are talking about today.

When all is said and done, what must be understood is that this will probably have repercussions 20 years from now. The food chain being what it is, when something happens to the smallest components, the effect continues on up the chain. When I speak of the smallest components, I am speaking of species that many people have still never heard of today. Unfortunately, ecologists are still misunderstood.

When Galileo said the earth was round, people laughed at him for years. Many ecologists today are raising the alarm and there are still too many people on this planet laughing at them, and at the rate things are going, I am very worried. When we see that countries like those in Asia are modernizing and that soon everyone will have his own car, as we do here, I think we should be worried. But let us limit ourselves to the smaller picture.

I said earlier that the fringe elements and ecologists are misunderstood. Which reminds me a little of the plan for sovereignty. When all is said and done, it is about taking a different route, a new route, which is something that scares people or for which they are not yet ready. It takes several years before people can support this kind of thing. But the environment is an issue that has to be settled now. It takes concrete action.

There are still fringe elements, as I said before. The other day I heard someone in my riding saying we should not eat meat more than once a day. This is the kind of thing even I have trouble with. But we must listen to the environmentalists. I think there is hope. I know I seem rather pessimistic, but I am not that pessimistic. I would say I am a realist and a reasonable person. I am an optimist, but I do not want to bury my head in the sand. I want to face the facts. I want to see the kind of problems we have, but I also realize

that good work is being done today, which gives me hope for the future.

I will first give an example from my riding, and I will then look at all this globally. Not long ago this year, we stopped the practice of log drives, which were polluting our rivers to a tremendous extent. The Péribonka river which flows along the north side of my riding may be developed for tourism in a dozen years or so. We would even be able to swim in the river. In my riding we also have a ZIP committee, Zone d'intervention prioritaire, which is supposed to raise public awareness of environmental problems. A river flows near my town, and I hope that someday we will be able to swim or fish in the river. I know I am talking about just one river in my riding, but it is not the only one. I have travelled across Canada, and there is pollution everywhere.

I have further cause for hope. The Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean region is a laboratory for sustainable development. You can see progress has been made. There are people who opposed plans to develop the Chamouchouane, a river in my riding, which we decided to keep in its natural state-one of the few rivers in Quebec where that is the case.

We even have town councillors involved in politics, and I am thinking of one in particular, Gérald Scullion, of the Town of Alma. He is probably the first "green" councillor in Quebec to be involved in the "negawatts" project of Métabetchouan. A village decided to set up the "negawatts" project. It decided to raise public awareness, and all energy savings would be reinvested. This project is headed by Mr. Paradis from Lac-Saint-Jean. At the regional level, I think we should pay tribute to these attempts to build a better world.

Of course there is all the recycling as well. Whether we like it or not, we are increasingly seeing blue boxes next to the garbage cans. There is also the electric car, which is quietly making its way. In fact, not long ago a research centre was set up in the riding of the hon. member for Laurentides. These projects give me cause for hope. And there are of course movements like Greenpeace.

Slowly but surely, we can come up for air. Except that when you do come up for air and go to Parliament and see what is going on-They try to act like environmentalists, although direct action, which was one of my slogans when I entered politics, is what makes lobbying a powerful force.

The government says it is going to be more environmentally conscious by replacing MMT with ethanol. In fact, when I did my research for this speech, I found there were no specific studies that said that ethanol was safer for the environment. Well, perhaps in the combustion process, ethanol leaves fewer residues in the air, but look at all the consequences. When you grow corn, which is used to manufacture ethanol, you have the whole ethanol production process. That is the problem. That is where we see that in the end, we lose out.

Actually, all this is pretty useless since we have no studies on the subject, and this bill is taking us down an uncertain path. We can no longer afford to play around with the environment. There is too much at stake, and this worries me. When I an ordinary bill like this one, it is just one of many things people can do. Much remains to be done.

In concluding, I will say that what saddens me is these short term policies. There is no long term view. Everything is short term. People build big stacks so the smoke will go to the village next door. It is really too bad, but that is how some people still think.

In concluding, I would like to say the following: We do not inherit the earth from our parents, we borrow it from our children.

Returning Officers September 27th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Deputy Prime Minister.

This summer in my riding, the government appointed Noël Girard, the defeated Liberal candidate in the 1993 general election, to the position of returning officer.

Does the Deputy Prime Minister not think that the time has come to modernize the rules for selecting returning officers and to put in place, as Quebec did, a system in which returning officers are chosen by competition based on their qualifications rather than their political affiliation?

Canada Marine Act September 27th, 1996

Right, the problem is finding a buyer. That would be one way for the government to get rid of its debts without losing its decision making power, which is very important.

In the end, I seriously wonder about two problems that might arise from this bill. First, I am very concerned by the wide variation in the commercial viability of the various ports. The government should take into account the differences between the various port facilities. As we know, some ports are more profitable than others and will sell off quickly, while others will need more help from both the public and the private sectors and from local communities. Making them commercially viable will increase our already heavy financial burden.

The second problem that bothers me is this. In what kind of shape will the ports the federal government will hand over to the private sector be? Finaly, as my colleague for Lévis said essentially, earlier, when something is profitable, you retain control over it and pocket the profits, otherwise, you divest ourselves of it. It is a well known fact that several harbours and ports were left to look after their own maintenance and modernization. Officials did try to reassure us by saying that $125 millions will be earmarked for repairs to ports that have not been properly maintained. Given the condition of certain ports, it seems clear to me that $125 million is very definitely not enough. Again, this goes to show that the

government's sole aim is to get out of debt by shifting the costs of repair onto other levels of government and the private sector.

The Bloc Quebecois is very much in favour of the commercialization of the St. Lawrence Seaway. At the same time, we are for government support for the building of ships suited for seaway navigation. We will be looking at the bill with a view to making suggestions on how to improve it, so that it better meets the expectations of all Quebecers and Canadians.

As I said and I repeat, shipping, particularly on the St. Lawrence Seaway, represents an important industry, an economy, which must not be taken lightly. The government must consider the merits of my line of argument.

Canada Marine Act September 27th, 1996

Yes, two countries.

The proposed legislation implements the federal government's national marine policy announced in December 1995. This is new legislation that will regulate the entire shipping sector, both in Quebec and Canada.

The government dares to refer to this legislation as the Canada Marine Act. In fact, we are really talking about legislation to regulate shipping in Quebec and in Canada. So why is there no reference to shipbuilding, an important industry in Quebec? Why is there no reference to shipyards? Why is there no reference to the merchant navy? I intend to answer those questions.

First of all, because the federal government's marine policy has been a complete flop. A good example is the St. Lawrence Seaway. In 20 years, the federal government has invested $7 billion-quite a bundle-while annual revenues amount to about $70 million annually. The situation is pretty clear.

The government is definitely in the red, and furthermore, today's shipping is half what it was in the seventies, in the good old days. This is why the government wants to get rid of the embarrassing economic situation of its ports, while maintaining a final say on the membership of the boards of directors that will have the responsibility for managing the ports.

In this regard, clauses 12(1)(a) amd (e) of the bill provide that the federal government will have a representative on each of these boards in addition to appointing the other members in consultation with the users. But the bill does not specify whether or not the minister is required to respect the users' choice. I think that this, in a way, shows the irony of this bill. The government should not try to sell us a bill of goods: it cannot get rid of the infrastructure, and still have a say in this.

The government may well consult with users and then appoint whoever they want, as this seems to be a hallmark of the party across the way. Again, the government talks about decentralization but the facts show a totally different situation. In government language, it simply means getting rid of the federal deficit at the expense of the other levels of government while maintaining control through a federally-appointed board of directors and especially saving the work for its own officials. This is reminiscent of what is happening here in Ottawa, where everyone is working to keep his or her job. Effectiveness does not matter.

Given the state of Canada's deficit, the government should perhaps sell off the whole country, keeping only the Parliament buildings. That would be one way to get rid of its debts.