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  • His favourite word was forces.

Last in Parliament October 2000, as Liberal MP for Bonavista—Trinity—Conception (Newfoundland & Labrador)

Won his last election, in 1997, with 35% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Supply November 21st, 1995

Mr. Speaker, in response to that I would have to tell the hon. member I do not know from where he is getting his figures. I am disappointed he would use this kind of rhetoric to suggest that these things are happening when in fact they are not.

I have another point I wish to make which I believe he understands but may have miscued. He says the helicopters are falling out of the sky. That is not true. Those helicopters are safe to fly until the year 2000. He knows as well as I that the Canadian forces will not permit their pilots to fly helicopters that are unsafe. I want to clarify the record on that. He is looking over at me and nodding, with a smile on his face. I know he is playing politics again.

Supply November 21st, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I rose to ask the member a question, but since Your Honour recognized me on debate I thought I would commence my debate.

The hon. member mentioned a couple of things I want to clarify, but first I want to make a comment. I was a bit concerned about some of the statements made by the hon. member for Charlesbourg, some of which were raised by the Minister of National Defence, when he suggested the only province that suffered defence cutbacks was the province of Quebec.

I will say in a different manner and perhaps with a different emphasis that I belong to the maritime provinces where the economy is in very rough shape, particularly in Newfoundland. It hurt me as parliamentary secretary to see my colleagues who occupy 31 of the 32 seats in those four provinces being hit with a tremendous blow because the necessary reductions in defence were done objectively.

I refer to the closing of Canadian forces bases Chatham, Cornwallis, Shelburne and the reduction in CFB Shearwater. These were major economic blows to the Atlantic region. I do not think we have heard any of those four members cry wolf. Despite the hardship it has caused politically and otherwise, they have accepted that it is part of government reduction. It would have been graceful if other members had done the same thing.

With respect to my question to my hon. colleague in the third party, he talked about the procurement policies and how they have developed. He used a bit of politics, which I suppose is his duty as the defence critic and which I accept in good spirit. I wonder if he has read the 1993 report of the auditor general. Does he recall some of the discussions we had in the special committee on national defence with respect to some of the difficulties that the old procurement policies had? The policies took a long time and emphasized the wrong things. By the time the equipment was developed, it was out of sync.

I also want to make another comment and ask him to respond to it. He said that the EH-101 was not an over designed helicopter. I wonder if he realizes that the EH-101 specifications and capability efficiencies were developed at the height of the cold war. By the time the hardware was developed, it responded to a threat that no longer existed.

I wonder if he has taken that into consideration when he says the EH-101 was the best helicopter for the day.

Supply November 21st, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Certainly, as we say south of the border, I will concede but I was hoping to ask some questions to the hon. member for Okanagan-Similkameen-Merritt.

Supply November 21st, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to speak on the subject before us this morning.

The political rhetoric I have heard from the two speakers in the main opposition and the third parties somewhat disappointed me. The tenor of the debate this morning was not the tenor present in the standing special committee of the Senate and the House of Commons in which there was a modicum of consensus. This did not seem to come out on the floor of the House of Commons today. Notwithstanding I should like to get rid of the political rhetoric and talk about some of the reasons my party and I will not be in support of the motion.

Essentially the procurement policies of national defence have been developed over a period of time which has seen a lot of grief with respect to procurement policies. Perhaps at the time they were appropriate to the occasion but now, because of the paring down, the lack of resources, the difficulties with funding, the end of the cold war and the difficulties in planning defence procurement, we have to do it differently.

I believe I can quote the auditor general in his 1993 report as being objective in his major study of defence procurement policies.

National Spirit Of Peace Run November 8th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House today to draw attention to the National Spirit of Peace Run which has been happening in cities across Canada and which will be concluded tomorrow by a commemorative ceremony here on Parliament Hill and at the peacekeeping memorial.

The peace run is an activity organized by the Canada Remembers program as part of veterans week. I am pleased to say that in every city the run has brought together Canadians of all ages in a tribute to those who served our country during wartime.

Peace torches were carried in each city. These torches have been transported to Ottawa where they will be carried by second world war veterans to the centennial flame during a very special ceremony tomorrow that will celebrate Canada's continuing commitment to peace.

The ceremony will represent the passing of responsibility for peace from the young men and women of 50 years ago who defended it to the young men and women of today who will continue to protect it in peacekeeping missions around the world.

Intervener Funding Act November 7th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, it gives me pleasure to speak today on Bill C-339, an act to provide for the funding of interveners in hearings before certain boards and agencies.

The bill introduced by the member for Oxford raises an issue of extreme importance to the House. The issue of intervener funding is of great interest to all elected officials. Parliamentarians are the first to recognize that public participation is fundamental to any meaningful consultative process. I believe that organizations that represent a relevant public interest should be able to participate in review processes.

The question that does need to be answered is how do we fund citizens whose views should be brought forth.

It would be useful to the debate to look at an intervenor funding program at work today. I will take a slightly different approach from other speakers on this subject and refer to the federal environmental assessment process which has included a participant funding program since 1991. The need for such a program was identified many years before.

The 1987 white paper on the reform of the federal environmental review process addressed the need and proposed the establishment of a participant funding program. In national consultations carried out as part of the above reform some funding was made available by the previous government. The funds were administered by the federal environmental assessment review office and were provided to participants in the activities of federal or joint panels reviewing such projects as the Sainte-Marguerite hydroelectric development project and the Vancouver airport.

The environmental assessment of large projects subject to public hearings is very complex and often results in several volumes of technical information. We therefore cannot expect informed public participation unless the groups representing the citizens directly affected by the projects have access to funding. Participation in the environmental assessment process requires staff and technical resources for analysing reports, drafting the response, preparing briefs and presenting these views at public hearings.

The participant funding program established in 1991 did not guarantee intervenor funding for all environmental assessments. This was not considered to be fair so the government recognized the flaw and created a statutory obligation to do so as promised in the Liberal Party's red book. Our government listened carefully to many Canadians who indicated that intervenor funding if carefully administered adds value to the environmental assessment process.

Accordingly the Minister of the Environment in Bill C-56, an act to amend the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, put forth as a key amendment a legally entrenched participant funding program that ensures interested individuals and groups have the resources they require to participate effectively in the process. As a result the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act now recognizes intervenor funding as an integral component of the assessment process and creates a statutory obligation to establish a funding program for that purpose.

The Minister of the Environment deserves much credit for making this amendment among others to the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act. The legal provision for intervenor funding goes hand in hand with other elements of the environmental assessment process which recognize the importance of public participation. These include the provision of numerous opportunities for public involvement at various stages of the assessment process and the creation of a public registry through which interested persons can have access to documents relating to all current assessments of the environment, both federal and joint federal-provincial.

The participant funding program presently administered by the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency has many different uses and criteria because public input is crucial and should not be frivolous. The present program makes funds available for different stages of the environmental assessment process. It outlines exactly who is eligible and it describes what kind of activities will be funded. The program is funded over a six-year period and is made up of funds allocated by the federal government.

Bill C-339 brings forward an aspect of intervenor funding that is of increasing importance: who should pay for public participation in environmental assessment. The debate on the issue is diverse in the opinions brought forth. There are those who support the proponent pays principle. Others suggest that any more cost to development would be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Others point to the ability to pay based on small versus large size businesses. Many will point out it is unthinkable that taxpayers foot the bill for those who will reap profits. There are diverse opinions in the harmonization of federal-provincial environmental assessment processes. It is certain there is no simple answer or easy direction.

The government has recognized the need to look carefully at process efficiency as well as at all related expenditures. The Minister of the Environment is responding to this need. In last year's budget the Minister of Finance announced a special initiative:

The Minister of the Environment will develop, in consultation with concerned ministers, provinces and stakeholders, proposals for recovering costs attributable to environmental assessment as well as options for streamlining procedures and time lines for the environmental assessment process.

That is very clear. Since then the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency has been developing the options in consultation with stakeholders.

What I have just said is a fair mouthful with respect to an environmental assessment process. It has brought in some of the factors that have to be considered in looking at a bill of this import, of this initiative and of this way of looking at how we do things with respect to public intervention, public interest and public hearings.

It has always been a policy of the Liberal government to involve the public. The best example I could give of that is the recent special standing committee on Canada's defence policy where policy was formed from the bottom up. Previously, to my knowledge, it was always done from the top down. The public process in formulating the white paper on defence was very important to this party and is why we did it that way.

Returning to the subject at hand in Bill C-339, if we are looking at cost recovery with respect to public participation, it is obvious that any successful initiative will have to contain certain process efficiency elements. If we are to ask proponents to assume certain costs we must be able to commit to efficiency of process. If individuals or organizations are to pay the cost of public participation surely they must receive some guarantee that there will be a certainty of process.

I have spoken long enough to make the point I wanted to make on the bill. I have used the example of a recent system that is in operation. There are still some questions to be answered. However in looking at Bill C-339 some of the proposals put forth and some of the examples used could be used in the model. The concerns are being addressed and we look forward to the options that will be presented.

Bill C-339 contributes very positively to the debate on public participation by recognizing these concerns. However I caution that we should wait for the completion of the government process I have just described before we proceed, as we say in the navy, at full speed ahead.

National Defence November 7th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), I have the honour to table in both official languages a report entitled "The Special Commission on the Restructuring of the Reserves".

Questions On The Order Paper November 3rd, 1995

With respect to the purchase of new search and rescue and shipborne helicopters, the Minister of National Defence has not yet brought recommendations to his colleagues. Therefore it is premature to state what the government's intentions will be with respect to these projects.

National Defence October 23rd, 1995

He signed on as part of supporting mobility. He cannot take his signature away from that report. It is there and it is immutable. It cannot be changed. I used to think he was credible.

National Defence October 23rd, 1995

In order to have an answer, there has to be a question. There has been no question. The hon. member is talking about money paid to senior officers to ensure mobility in the Canadian forces. He signed on as part of his participation-