Crucial Fact

  • His favourite word was reform.

Last in Parliament April 1997, as Reform MP for Kindersley—Lloydminster (Saskatchewan)

Lost his last election, in 1997, with 33% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Government Of Canada December 5th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, one of the promises in the red book was for more transparent government. I have not read the fine print but I do not think that meant government leaks.

Today the industry minister's orange paper takes it place with the GST report, the HRD green book, the justice minister's action plan on gun control and the defence white paper. All were conveniently leaked to the media before the official announcements were made. The government's complete disregard for Parliament reinforces fears of Liberal arrogance.

My question is for the Deputy Prime Minister. Why is the government showing such disdain for the House of Commons and what is it doing to end these leaks?

Canada Grain Act December 5th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I want to speak briefly to the Reform motions that would amend the Canada Grain Act. I particularly want to speak as they concern the special crop industry.

I have spoken about the matter before in the House. I have a very relevant concern in that it is a growing industry in my constituency of Kindersley-Lloydminster. It is one of the bright spots in the agricultural industry throughout at least western Canada and possibly other parts of the country as well.

There have been a couple of minor problems, not minor for those involved but minor in the scope of the entire industry. Two facilities ran into disrepute. The one in my constituency was the Klemmer seed company and the other was Pro Star. The producers that delivered to these companies were not adequately protected.

The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food is also aware of some of these concerns and problems. It may be part of the reason some of the current amendments are put forward to amend the Canada Grain Act. However there have been discussions with the industry and it is proposing further changes in the form of a new special crops act that would adequately protect those who deal with this new and growing industry.

In the interim Motion No. 3 would, temporarily at least and ongoing if we did not change the act, allow special crop producers to opt out of the auspices of the Canada Grain Act which was first passed about 1912 and really does not fit the needs of the industry, because they are not Cargill, the Saskatchewan Wheat Pool or United Grain Growers. They are much smaller operators, almost taking the form of family farm operations in many instances. They not only provide valuable services to the special crops act but they are extending the viability of many rural communities through employment opportunities and through service to local producers in those areas.

The industry is a very conscientious industry and is promoting changes and regulations to protect producers. It needs time for the government to enact a special crops act so it can function and protect producers who deal with the industry.

Motion No. 3 would allow them to opt out of the auspices of the Canada Grain Act. That is not something that is unheard of in the current situation. For instance, right now feedlots which buy a lot of grain are able to opt out. They must clearly indicate that they are not under the constraints of the Canada Grain Act.

The hon. member for Vegreville has indicated that the same provision should be made available to other players in the industry. They must clearly indicate that they are not under the auspices of the Canada Grain Act so that those who would deal with operations such as Klemmer and Pro Star would not be under any illusions that they were being protected by the Canada Grain Act.

There have been a lot of allegations of political interference particularly in the Klemmer case. We may never know the full story behind that situation, but it is clear producers must be aware of where they are protected by the Canadian Grain Commission and where they are not protected.

With this motion the hon. member for Vegreville is attempting to clarify that and allow the special grains people to opt out so they can bring in their own special crops act, which would clearly protect producers who deal with them. Unlicensed individuals may still buy and sell using Canadian Grain Commission approved grade names if the commission would agree. It could perhaps even charge a modest user fee to provide that service.

As far as Motions Nos. 7 and 8 are concerned, they apparently clarify and revert to how the old act was structured. The amendments as put forward in Bill C-51 would clarify and give far more power to cabinet or to order in council decisions affecting the Canadian Grain Commission. If anything, we should be moving the other way where this quasi-judicial body would be at arm's length and cabinet would not be interfering in the daily work of the Canadian Grain Commission.

I also ask the House to consider support for Motions Nos. 7 and 8 so we can have better legislation to facilitate the work of the industry and we can see it progress rather than revert to the days of 1912.

Department Of Industry Act December 1st, 1994

Who pays? The taxpayer pays.

Department Of Industry Act December 1st, 1994

Especially when government is involved.

Points Of Order November 30th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I will be brief and to the point.

When the leader of the Reform Party questioned the Minister of Justice regarding the leak of his statement on gun control, the Minister of Justice suggested that confidential material concerning his statement on gun control may have been leaked by the opposition.

This is not only entirely untrue but it is impossible because this material was broadcast on television last night and is in the Globe and Mail this morning. Our party and the Bloc received the information only after eight o'clock this morning.

I would ask that the minister retract this statement and clear the air so that there is no condemnation and no unfounded charges against this party.

World Trade Organization Agreement Implementation Act November 29th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, it is a privilege to speak to Bill C-57, a bill to enact the World Trade Organization agreement.

Canada has been, is and I presume will be a trading nation. The part of the country that I come from, the west, was opened to European civilization through the act of trading; the traders from the Hudson's Bay Company and the Northwest Company. Their main purpose for exploring the west was on a trade mission. It has been a healthy environment for Canada whenever we have been able to trade freely and unhindered.

I wish to speak today with regard to the issue of farm safety nets. They are also impacted by the legislation that we are dealing with today.

We have to understand that agricultural safety nets are really risk management policies. They are mechanisms to help the farmer manage risks associated with producing a valuable commodity, food. We all need it.

The production and selling of goods such as food has a characteristic in addition to its value as a physical sustenance that makes it unique. That characteristic is perishability. There are unique risks associated with the provision to the world of a perishable commodity, that food that sustains us all.

It is these characteristics of food and the accompanying risks that lead us to develop risk management programs or our farm safety nets. The basic responsibility for managing the risk falls to the farmer just as it does for any other businessman. Farmers accept the fact that there are unique risks in producing food. They try to make wise decisions and carefully manage the product through its life cycle.

The other basic risk in farming in addition to this aspect of perishability is the highly fluctuating or uncertain income caused by forces over which farmers such as myself have no

control. Those forces are natural hazards, market cycles and trade distorting influences.

Therefore the risk management tools that farmers basically need are threefold: a crop or livestock insurance program to deal with the natural hazards, an income stabilization program to deal with market cycles and a trade distortion adjustment program to deal with trade distorting influences.

My party, and I was pleased to be involved with that, was able to consult widely across Canada prior to the 1993 election with farmers to develop their thoughts on these matters. We are happy to see that the Liberals who did not campaign on a post-GATT platform begin now to recognize that the old farm safety nets are going to have to change.

It seems rather odd that the Liberal Party, one of the oldest parties in Canada, did not start consulting with farmers earlier. In fact we are finding in this House that the Liberals are doing all their consulting after the election. I am proud to belong to a party that did its consulting before the election. I consider that to be one of the reasons why so many of us were elected. It also gives us great authority to speak on most of the issues that we address in the House, including this bill.

What are some of the concepts that have led to the rules and conditions and definitions of what now have to be internationally accepted farm safety net programs? There has been much talk about improving agriculture policy related to farm safety net support in recent years.

While the GATT talks have brought reform, there is still much to be achieved in practice. The organization known as the OECD, the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, consists of Australia, Austria, Canada, the European community, Finland, Japan, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the United States.

In the OECD overall support from government budgets and consumers to agriculture production still accounts for well over 40 per cent of the value of that agricultural production. In spite of some progress in tackling domestic farm programs, trade barriers remain stubbornly resistant to liberalization. Many of the alternative measures being put in place, including direct income support to farmers to replace subsidies, are still linked in some way to the production of agricultural commodities.

With respect to rules based trade, the feeling is commonly held by a lot of farmers that lawyers and bureaucrats are going to spend huge amounts of time and money trying to figure out how to beat the GATT rules. We already know, for example, that the EEC has kept its sum total payment policy in exchange for the U.S. keeping its nationalistic farm policy.

In other words, we are going to see a lot of wheeling and dealing and shifting and fudging of numbers in trade and support account columns. I suppose that such is the give and take of international negotiations but unfortunately farmers are the ones who are usually caught in the economic cross-fire.

Currently in the OECD, there are different types of safety nets and support programs for agriculture. First, of the total support that comes from consumers and government budgets to the OECD agriculture, around 71 per cent is transferred by policy measures that raise market prices received by farmers for their produce and are paid by consumers for their food beyond those existing in the world market. These are commonly known as commodity price support systems.

In Canada's case, the supply management system falls within this category. There are a lot of positive things that could be said about supply management but there are certainly a lot of negative things that have to be said about it as well.

One of the great negatives of the supply management system is the interprovincial trade barriers that we have within our own country. It is rather ironic that today we are discussing legislation that breaks down international trade when we are such a poor example to our international trading partners with our domestic policy.

Whatever form our support takes, the real problem for farmers, as my hon. colleague opposite from Malpeque has often stated, is low, real net market income for food. Farmers simply deserve a fair return on their investment. They want to get paid what their product is worth just like anyone else. They do not particularly want to have a lot of subsidies and government support.

I would suggest to hon. members opposite that the way to get more market income is to relax these types of price support policies that restrict the market forces. We need to trust a free and fair marketplace to bring the returns that we all want. I am happy to see that our rules based trading arrangements are addressing these type of subsidies and moving toward their elimination.

Second, only 13 per cent of farm support given is in the form of direct payments to farmers from government budgets. Much of this is transferred to the farming sector by policies that raise prices received by farmers through subsidies based on output or production. Although such subsidies do not directly affect the market prices paid by consumers, most of these measures are production related. They take the form of deficiency payments which are payments that make up the difference between a guaranteed price per unit of commodity and the actual market price. Headage payments are payments paid on the amount per head of cattle or sheep, et cetera.

The third type of support represents 16 per cent of the total and is largely made up of government's budgetary finance measures that are not targeted to specific farmers or commodities but to the agricultural sector as a whole. These include

publicly financed infrastructure, research, inspection, information or education and training.

We must note that the amount of support provided by these three different types of policy measures is very uneven across the OECD countries. Some countries give more weight and emphasis to the support of market prices, others to direct payments and yet others to non-targeted general support. Therein lies the problem of negotiation for rules based and equal treatment trade.

Therein also lies the potential for a harmonized movement away from market distorting programs to a free and fair international marketplace where farmers can make a living providing one of the most important products to humanity, the food we eat.

The pricing support programs and other subsidies I have referred to apparently cost consumers and taxpayers in OECD countries over $350 billion a year in higher food bills and in taxes. These policies distort trade patterns and heighten tensions between countries.

At the OECD ministerial meeting in 1987 their governments therefore committed themselves to reducing total support and to moving away from production and output related subsidies to other policy measures. One of the programs considered by GATT to be green is direct income payment to farmers which comes under the second type of safety net or support that I have referred to, direct payments.

I want to talk about the matter of direct income payments for farmers. We refer to it as an income stabilization program or ISP and that addresses the risk of market cycles. Direct income payments are literally that, explicitly budget financed income transfers made directly to individual farmers. Thus, they are distinct from the other policy mechanisms that transfer income to farmers indirectly either through commodity price supports which raise consumer prices or through lower input costs or through money spent on the farm sector as a whole.

The main advantage of direct income payments is that they can be targeted to the specific farmers whose situations are deemed to warrant such payments. This is in sharp contrast with price supports that are targeted at commodities which thereby give most benefit to the largest producers who may not warrant such support.

A commodity price support system such as our supply management also creates a prohibitive expense in its tool of production, the quota. It restricts farmer entrepreneurship because new entrants can only get in with large capital outlay through means such as large debt or a fortunate inheritance.

As a regulated marketing mechanism it does not transmit the signals of the market back to the producers quickly enough and reduces the innovative abilities of the industry. Therefore, the supply managed system must speed up its adjustment to liberalized trade as it will be in its own best interest. I know some of the members opposite are beginning to agree with this certainty even if they do it with reluctance.

Moreover, support to the income of farmers is more efficient than support to the prices of products. Price supports easily leak into the sectors upstream or downstream from the intended recipients or are wasted in competitive price subsidization between countries illustrating a phenomenon known as transfer inefficiency.

Well targeted direct income payments have a high degree of transfer efficiency because nearly all of the transfer ends up where it is intended, supporting farmers' incomes.

Moreover, in case members opposite are still not convinced of a better way, let me offer another advantage of farmer income support as opposed to commodity price support. Since income supports are financed from national budgets, they are more transparent and can thus be scrutinized more easily than price supports which are hidden in high consumer prices.

In all fairness and objectivity, we must admit that all measures of support including direct income payments will produce distortions to some degree. I am saying that those supports linked to pricing or production of specific commodities are the most distorting. Price supports are guilty, as I have mentioned above.

Production support systems are faulty because they give incentives to over or underproduce certain commodities, thus creating a moral hazard or a situation called farming the system, or they encourage unfriendly environmental practices. All in all it should be obvious that moving away from price and production support and toward income support is the wave of the future. All would be well-advised to get on board.

Direct income payments must satisfy two conditions in order to allow farmers to become more market reliant. First, the amount of payment should be generally fixed to a particular period of time and thus remain immunized from moral hazard. We do not want an income support program that would give an incentive to alter behaviour for monetary gain at the expense of environmental stewardship or fair business practices.

Second, the amount of payment should not be determined by the volume of current or future production of specific commodities or inputs to avoid biasing farmers' choices between specific commodities or those production techniques.

We must also continue to carefully define the objective of each type of direct income payment, whether it is income payment to help farmers adjust to alternative activities, a scheme to establish a minimum income, a measure to encourage environmental activities or a program to stabilize income be-

cause of market cycles. All these appear to be eligible under GATT. The situations for which direct income payments could be made available have to be very carefully specified to ensure there is the least distortion to the use of resources and to avoid back door channels of support to agriculture commodities, which would undermine the current reforms taking place.

How do we decide the amount of direct income payment? Basically there are two ways. First, we can assess the costs incurred by the farmer in undertaking activities for which payments are targeted. The second way is to evaluate income foregone by not undertaking an activity or measured against a predetermined base line such as loss of income due to market cycles compared to a recent income trend.

The duration of direct income payment programs depends on the duration of the problem being addressed. As far as possible, market-based solutions should be encouraged because they are longer term and are likely to emerge as reform evolves.

As I opened my comments I talked about the west being explored and developed because of free traders, because of people who wanted to go out, take some risks and try to make a few dollars. I suspect that as Canada moves into the global economy we can again expect to have some adventures, perhaps in a different situation, perhaps in the high tech civilization and society that we now live. It will be exciting for agriculture as well. There are great opportunities and this Bill C-57 is in a small way opening the door of opportunity.

While this bill will not solve all problems facing world trade, certainly not all of the problems facing agriculture, it is a step in the right direction. Therefore we offer our support for the GATT agreement, for the World Trade Organization Implementation Act and we hope this is one move toward reducing government funding for not only agriculture, but many commodities. It will give an opportunity for the market to sustain our industries, including the agricultural industry, so that not only farmers but all Canadians will enjoy lower taxes, a strong economy, and have a bright outlook on the future.

Fight Against Aids November 28th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, Canadians are justifiably proud of our peacekeepers but the disregard for the blue berets in Bosnia suggests that the UN has mismanaged this mission and is tarnishing the reputation of UN peacekeepers, thereby setting a very dangerous precedent for this and future peacekeeping operations.

What is the Prime Minister's government doing to prevent our continued participation in this mission from compromising our effectiveness in future peacekeeping operations?

Fight Against Aids November 28th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I know there is general support for Canada's involvement in the United Nations and in NATO but we fear that the situation in Bosnia is jeopardized by the suggestions that the U.S.A. has now sided with the Bosnians while Russia is sympathetic to the Serbs and may unilaterally withdraw its peacekeeping forces.

How is Canada responding to this move away from neutrality by our peacekeeping partners?

Fight Against Aids November 28th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, Canadians are appalled that some of our peacekeepers are being held hostage and were targeted in a rocket attack yesterday.

In September the Minister of National Defence informed the House that he had renewed Canada's engagement in Yugoslavia conditionally for six months. He said that the situation is under review, if the situation on the ground changes, if the safety of Canadian troops is threatened and if the usefulness of the UN mandate has been undermined.

Since the situation on the ground has changed and the safety of our troops is threatened and the ability of the UN to carry out its mandate has been undermined, will the minister reconsider Canada's participation?

Canadian Peacekeepers In Bosnia November 25th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I assure this House that I speak out of concern and based on warnings that have been coming forward for several months.

This is symptomatic of a larger problem. The Auditor General pointed out earlier this week that policy development systems in the Department of National Defence have significant difficulties, that capability objectives are not clearly stated, and that the Canadian forces are not always sure what they are supposed to be doing and what equipment they will use.

Will the minister in light of the situation in Bosnia in which Canadian troops have lacked clear objectives from the beginning make it a priority to develop objectives to avoid a repeat of the Bosnian morass?