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  • Her favourite word was children.

Last in Parliament April 1997, as Liberal MP for Nepean (Ontario)

Won her last election, in 1993, with 60% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Social Security Program November 18th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to speak in the House today on social security reform. I will direct my comments specifically to the unemployment insurance aspect of it and how the proposed changes will affect women and families.

This debate takes place at a critical time in the history of Canada's social programs. The Minister of Human Resources Development launched the social security reform debate in the House last January. At that time he challenged Canadians to define what effective social programs would look like in a world shaped by the economic and social trends we see around us today.

During the following months the Minister of Human Resources Development and the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development have both heard the same things from a large number of Canadians. Quite simply our social programs are losing the confidence of the people who pay taxes. They see the inconsistencies and the gaps.

Like every member of the House I have received numerous letters and phone calls on the topic. The polls say it. Our mail says it. Canadians are not satisfied with the status quo. They know that a more effective and a more cost effective social safety net is not just possible; it is necessary. That is why the government released the discussion paper on social security reform on October 5.

We want a debate for all Canadians. One element of the debate is fairness. Canadians clearly reject the idea that we should have a slash and burn approach to social programs. They just want them to work better. They want the money and services to meet the greatest needs with the greatest impact.

Certainly unemployment insurance was not meant to create the cycle of dependency that has developed in too many communities for too many workers. A large and growing share of people who get UI are frequent claimants. Thirty-eight per cent have made three claims in five years. With the best of intentions we have allowed the system to develop into one that encourages low skilled, seasonal and temporary work in high unemployment regions. It does little to encourage people to improve their skills and their options.

A place where that is certainly the case is in the unemployment insurance area. To hear some of the comments in the House on the topic one could conclude that UI is about to be destroyed in some fiendish plot driven by the titans of high finance. One could conclude that the government is bound and determined to roll back the gains that women have made in the labour force over the past generation. One could conclude that we are determined to make poor families suffer. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I want to concentrate my remarks today on how the green paper proposals on UI relate to the needs and the realities of women and families in Canada. UI has been serving Canadian workers for over 50 years. For most employees it works as it was intended to. It is insurance to tide them over the time between jobs.

The labour market has changed greatly since 1942 when the first claim was filed. Now people do not just lose one job and move on to another. Structural change in our economy means that people may not just move between jobs; they may move between industries or communities. UI was not designed to deal with that type of situation.

In contrast, as hon. members will recall, is the second option of a system of employment insurance. Within it there could be basic insurance that would work in the way UI does now. People who make a UI claim only infrequently would see no real change. People who need the help with the special benefits such as maternity, parental, adoption, or sickness benefits would still be able to get that help.

At a time when we are asking how we can invest funds to make people employable across all social programs we have to ask the same questions about UI. The discussion paper lays out two different approaches we could take to address the fact that some people need far more help than UI can give them through income support alone.

The first is simply tightening the status quo. Higher eligibility rules, shorter duration of benefits and lower weekly benefits are all options. The only problem is that it does little to address the needs for more active labour force programs. It nibbles at the edges of the program without really challenging the big questions surrounding UI.

People who make relatively frequent use of UI would move into the adjustment insurance category. For these people there would be a greater emphasis on help to find the skills to get and keep better longer term work. The government recognizes that some industries are seasonal and that some communities have little work in parts of the year. That is why we are open to ways to make this approach work well.

Some critics have raised the idea that people who might be eligible for adjustment insurance could have their benefits set on the basis of family income. This has been opposed by some people as a giant step back for women. Before any more interest groups howl about this let us again look at the facts.

First, very few women would be affected by this proposal if it actually came to pass. Women account for only about one-third of all frequent claimants. The program is good for about seven out of ten women. Adjustment insurance would not matter. Their needs would be met by the basic insurance program.

Second, women would still have good access to the special benefits under the system. A study states that women account for 59 per cent of all sickness claims. We know they account for the maternity claims. We can guess that they probably account for the majority of claims raised for adoptions and parental benefits. There would be no change for the vast majority of women who call on UI for help. It will still be there to help them.

Where the debate exists is over a proposal that would base adjustment insurance benefits in part on family earnings. Third, low income people would get the full benefit. A sliding scale would lower the benefits for people with higher incomes. Immediately some protested this might undermine the self-esteem of a woman or it might undermine her financial independence. I disagree with that statement.

In 1991, 18 per cent of frequent claimants had annual incomes of over $50,000. A further 28 per cent had family incomes of between $30,000 and $50,000. Frankly the image one gets is that UI for these people is a regular top-up to family income and not a protection against hardship. Canadians have the right to ask if this is the best way to spend their dollars. I suspect that Canadians will agree that it is not. They will agree that these people claim the money because of a feeling of entitlement, not need. UI is not a publicly subsidized savings account.

The prospect is that by focusing attention on people most in need whose work patterns are the most marginal we can help them break out of a cycle of dependence. The premiers of the Atlantic provinces agree. Economic analyses agree. Canadians agree. The old pattern of 10:42 simply does not work. The answer is not to cut people off and say sink or swim. The answer is to get programs and services in place to help.

Women will benefit from this approach. The idea is to put more emphasis on employment development services of all kinds: counselling, job search skills and work experience training. The idea is to move money from less important places to more important places.

Among the proposals in the green paper was one that raised the question of improving UI coverage for part time and seasonal workers. Most of the people who would benefit from it are women. Twenty-eight per cent of women workers are in part time jobs whereas only ten per cent of men are. The ideas we have suggested could directly address the needs of those women better than the status quo.

Many women need the kinds of programs social security reform will make available. Let us take the example of single mothers. Almost 60 per cent of lone parent families with children under 18 live on low incomes and 95.9 per cent of single parent mother led families live below the poverty line. They often lack support services such as child care that would help them get back to work. Those on social assistance often find that the value of support services like dental care are much greater than what they can earn with the limited skills they may have.

The government has embarked on a series of experiments with the provinces to explore better ways of helping these mothers get back into the workforce. We now have a pilot project in Manitoba that will provide 4,000 lone parents on welfare with employment skills and support. The program is called "Taking Charge". It is specifically to help those people do just that, to take charge of their lives.

We will continue to solicit the ideas and views of Canadians. I am glad to see that the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development has attracted not only many submissions but substantial attention in the media. The issue is very important. It deserves a full debate. That is why the government has provided financial resources to 19 women's organizations to enable them to participate in the consultative process.

Many times we in the House hear different people ask why we are providing financial resources to organizations so that they can attack the government. This is a case where we are providing financial resources to women's organizations not to attack the

government but to give us the ideas we need to provide help for women.

Our current set of programs were designed at a time when most people needed relatively few skills to get and keep a job. What they picked up in school and on the job was usually enough to build a lifetime of earnings. People needed financial help between jobs. Others needed support if they could not work at all due to disability or family commitments. The old system was based on a stable world with stable skills and stable jobs for the vast majority of working people.

I would like to refer to my own case. My husband and I raised five children who have all been in the workforce for a few years. They were all able to complete university and get jobs. They are now contributing citizens. Not one of them has ever collected a day's UI in their lives. That is not the way it is today. Times have changed. Students coming out of university are having a very difficult time and we have to address that problem.

Our support for programs like New Brunswick Works in New Brunswick and Job Link in Ontario and the Northwest Territories is investing in people and is helping us find better ways to help the most disadvantaged, to help their children break the welfare cycle and to have self-esteem at work. Social security reform can help women and their families far better than any of the patchwork programs we now have in place.

In the end the value to women of social security reform is much the same as it is for men. At the centre of any social security network lies a guiding principle. In a time of constant change that principle must be employability. Real security for Canadians comes from the ability to get and keep a job. Our programs must reflect the fact that this is more complex now than it was in the past. That is true for both men and women.

We cannot stop changes; we can help people provide the skills and supports to meet the realities of change. From letters I have seen and the people to whom I have spoken, that is all most people are asking for. Social security reform addresses important questions that affect women and all Canadians. It points to a new approach to working, to learning and to security. Everyone can benefit from that.

My speech today has been narrow in its focus because I have specifically dealt with women and UI and how the changes we are talking about in our social security reform will affect them. The whole package of social security reform is broad and will affect all Canadians. I felt this particular aspect was so important that I wanted to focus and narrow in on specifically UI and women's issues and I was pleased to do so.

Petitions November 18th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present a petition bearing 50 signatures. These people are in support of Bill C-256, presented by my colleague the member for Mississauga South, which is to compensate spouses working in the home and caring for preschool children.

Justice November 18th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, as a legislator in the House of Commons and the Parliament of Canada it really grieves me to stand here and express my sadness that Canada's courts and law are making decisions that absolve persons of any criminality who are extremely intoxicated or have snorted high levels of cocaine or who have killed behind the wheel of an automobile.

I grieve for the victims of these crimes, in many cases women. I grieve for those who have died at the hands of an abusing person. These victims did not condone or encourage intoxication or drug inducement.

As a legislator I stand here today and make a promise to those victims, both those living and in memory of those who died. I pledge to them my immediate commitment to work with the Minister of Justice toward reforming the Criminal Code through adding new crimes of intoxication, whether drugs or alcohol, to ensure that the perpetrators and not the victims are the ones convicted in our courts of law.

Citizenship Act November 16th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to stand here and speak to Bill C-249 from my colleague on the other side of the House, the member for Port Moody-Coquitlam.

In doing my research starting yesterday in preparing myself to speak to this today at first blush I thought the bill had merit but on getting deeper into the subject material I discovered that it probably was premature. The bill before us today represents a very small fraction of a much larger debate concerning the direction which Canadian citizenship will take in the future.

Bill C-249 does draw our attention to the important citizenship questions which will be coming into play in the coming months and I agree there is a need for change in the way that Canada addresses its citizenship issues.

It is unfortunate that Bill C-249 does present an ad hoc approach to dealing with citizenship issues. Something as important as changes to the citizenship act should not be tinkered with one small piece at a time.

In April this government committed itself to the development of a new citizenship act. We recognize the need to amend the current legislation and we recognize that we must remove anomalies in access to citizenship and to reinforce citizenship integrity. Right now the key to reinforcing this integrity lies not in the introduction of an individual specific legislation, it rests in the development of a broad citizenship strategy. We must have a clear sense of the direction we wish to take before we can even begin discussing the specifics.

We must develop a plan which reflects the will of the people. It must also encourage those seeking Canadian citizenship to obtain a knowledge of and commitment to this country. It must call for new citizens to become actively involved in community life. This is the essence of the government's approach. Yes, it will be a complicated process. It is a process we have already started and is one we are committed to seeing through.

A standing committee was formed in April to review ideas which would enhance the visibility and value of our citizenship. This group tabled its findings in June. I might add that the member for Port Moody-Coquitlam was a member of the standing committee that did produce the report "Canadian Citizenship: A Sense of Belonging".

The report on page 17 does state that it appears some women may be coming to Canada as visitors solely for the purpose of having their babies. However, the committee recognized that it was a very small problem and that children born in Canada should not automatically become permanent residents. In so concluding the committee considered testimony of those who supported this position.

In this same report there are 28 recommendations of changes to the citizenship act. Of the 28 the one the member for Port Moody-Coquitlam mentions is number 12. It is one of the 28 recommendations in this booklet. The minister I believe will be tabling a new citizenship act in the new year and I think all of those 28 recommendations can be addressed and spoken to. It certainly will come before the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration at that time. This is probably when I changed my mind in that I think it is a bit of ad hockery to be dealing with this one particular aspect of this report.

These recommendations by no means stand alone forever. Ten months ago the Department of Citizenship and Immigration launched a process of consultation with Canadians. From February to September in town hall meetings and study groups thousands of Canadians told the government what they thought. More than 10,000 Canadians from communities across the country and from all sectors of the economy and society expressed their views on the important bonds between citizenship and immigration and how these values linked to form their visions of Canada in the next century.

We have heard from Canadians and we have already taken action. These consultations have been invaluable for several reasons. First, they have let us know how the Canadian people feel. Second and just as important, the consultations have prompted Canadians to reflect on their hopes and dreams concerning what it means to live in this great nation.

The government's citizenship legislation will seek to achieve a range of goals. It will strive to promote among all Canadians the exercise of civic rights by strengthening citizenship education and promotion. We must consider the mutual privileges and obligations ingrained in the relationship between Canadian citizens and our society.

A new citizenship act will also modernize the technical apparatus presently in use. Too many people who are currently entitled to become citizens and desperately want to are delayed by an administrative system which has become cumbersome and awkward. There are blockages in the system. There must be a better way.

Through consultation and thoughtful action we will find it. The minister has already decided that the new system will no longer include citizenship court judges. This duty will in future be performed by distinguished Canadians drawn from the ranks of the Order of Canada.

The issues discussed in Bill C-249 are important, far too important to be dealt with on such a basis. The standing committee has addressed the subject before us today. Recommendations have been made, but it would be premature to cut off one issue from the body of work done until it can be properly placed within the context of a comprehensive citizenship plan. Such a plan is being developed. Let us have the good sense to wait for it.

Petitions November 14th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I have a petition bearing about 30 signatures. These people believe that crimes committed against society by young offenders are on a serious rise and young offenders go virtually unpunished due to protection under the Young Offenders Act.

These people believe that we should revise our laws concerning young offenders by empowering the courts to prosecute and punish the young law breakers who are terrorizing our society by releasing their names and lowering the age limit to allow prosecution to meet the severity of the crime.

Committees Of The House November 14th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the third report of the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration in relation to order in council appointments.

Industry November 1st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I would like to change the line of questioning in this House if I could. My question is for the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry.

It has been one year since we were all elected to this prestigious House of Commons. In reviewing my files I happened to notice that this government had made a commitment one year ago that we wished to become a nation of exporters.

I have a large representation in the business community in Nepean and a large number from the high tech industry asking if this ministry has moved ahead on making sure that we become a nation of exporters?

Department Of Canadian Heritage Act October 28th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, you get quite emotionally wound up in these things and you go off track every now and then.

There are gravesites of Canadian soldiers in Europe. Our tax dollars maintain those graveyards in France, Holland and Belgium. There is even a Canadian gravesite just over the border in Germany.

They are beautifully maintained. It makes us realize how lucky we are to be Canadians. Canadians died so that you and I can sit in the House of Commons, be free and be free to speak. It is part of our history and it is something that we must not lose.

Would we have a national orchestra or a national film library, and I could go on and on, without federal assistance? Of course not. They could not possibly operate without financial assistance from the federal government.

It is our responsibility to encourage artists, whether music, sports or whatever. They need to have the opportunity to develop their talents so that you and I and future generations have the opportunity to dwell on the importance to this nation of the contributions of those people who have gone before us.

In my riding of Nepean we have the Centrepointe Theatre which is a 1,000 seat theatre comparable in size to the National Arts Centre theatre. I look at the operation of that theatre. It is operated by volunteers.

The Centrepointe Theatre is not any different than any other organization. The National Arts Centre has volunteers, as does the National Museum. People in this country give their hearts and souls and their time to contribute to these institutions.

Has anyone been to Washington or a state capital recently? Do members know how Americans promote their heritage? It is front and centre every day of the week in school. They are constantly there with buildings and monuments to retain their heritage. I did not hear one positive statement from the Reform Party on heritage.

The government appreciates that there are some concerns about the decision to divide responsibility for broadcasting and telecommunications between Canadian Heritage and Industry Canada. The inclusion of telecommunications in the department's industry portfolio recognizes the increasing role of telecommunications.

On the other hand, broadcasting fits more closely with the identity of culture and the Canadian content mandate of the Canadian heritage. Canadians know that the government is committed to fiscal responsibility in all areas of federal endeavour. Bill C-53 is a prime example of that.

By putting these five ministries into one, we are looking at the bottom line. The Reform Party can take comfort in the knowledge that for the upcoming year the Canadian heritage portfolio is saving $76.1 million. That is a significant amount of money.

In addition to these actual savings of money there will be other longer term efficiencies realized through the regrouping of the areas of responsibility from various departments. Broadly speaking, the Canadian heritage minister will work for the betterment of our country in matters relating to Canadian identity and values, cultural development, heritage and areas of natural or historical significance to this nation.

Department Of Canadian Heritage Act October 28th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to speak on second reading of Bill C-53, an act to establish the Department of Canadian Heritage.

The bill will give the new department a mandate to assume its rightful share of responsibility in administering the legislative responsibilities of the heritage department. As everyone in the House is aware, the new department came into being in 1993 with the amalgamation of several departments.

The legislation creates a department that will have responsibility in the areas of national parks, historic sites, cultural development, amateur sports, multiculturalism and official languages. All these areas were previously in five separate ministries and are now combined into one. That in itself is a very significant cost saving measure. All these areas have clear links to our identity as Canadians.

I found it very disconcerting yesterday to listen to every member of the Reform Party and how they spoke against Bill C-53. I did not hear one positive comment from that side of the House with regard to Canada's heritage. One after another they stood in their places in the House and spoke about each of the main aspects of the heritage department.

I would like to quote only one member. I am sorry the member for Kindersley-Lloydminster who just spoke had to leave. He mentioned what the new ministry was responsible for, as reported in yesterday's Hansard :

-an unruly collection of agencies which has been lumped together arbitrarily. It truly is the ministry of lost souls, a ministry put together consisting of many irrelevant and outdated agencies with nowhere else to go.

Let me mention a couple of the so-called unruly irrelevant areas the member was talking about. He was talking about the Museum of Civilization, the Museum of Nature, the National Archives, the National Arts Centre, the National Battlefields Commission, the National Film Board, the National Gallery, the National Library, the Museum of Science and Technology, Parks Canada, Heritage Sites, and on and on.

If anything shows our Canadian identity, it is those particular national agencies that we happen to be very fortunate to have in the country.

The institutions I have mentioned are some of the cultural heritage institutions of Canada. Not that many years ago I chaired for several years in the region of Ottawa-Carleton the advisory committee on the arts. I would like to explain my connection between a local regional advisory committee on the arts and the heritage department. They are very different. One is huge and one is small.

Their roles are the same, to retain the heritage of our country and to promote the language and the culture.

Without the help of a major department like the department of heritage or without the advisory committee on the arts which I just spoke of, one requires the assistance of municipal governments, regional governments, provincial and federal governments.

Without those four levels of government, culture would not survive in the country because of its size. Whether it is film, music, radio, television, archives, museums, our rivers, lakes and mountains, we as legislators have a responsibility to promote and protect.

Most of the Reform Party people come from the province of Alberta. I happened to be in Alberta two weeks ago and spent a week in the beautiful Banff resort area in the Banff National Park. What a jewel in the crown of Canada is the Banff National

Park with national funding going into that park. I am proud that all Canadians recognize the importance of not only this national park but many national parks in this country.

I mentioned the commemorative war memorial. Soldiers from every province in the country died in Europe during the wars. Have you ever gone to those cemeteries? Have you ever visited them? I did this past-

Petitions October 28th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, the second petition is from 121 petitioners who believe the privileges which society accords to heterosexual couples should not be extended to same sex relationships. They request that Parliament not amend the human rights code, the Canadian Human Rights Act, or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in any way which would tend to indicate societal approval of same sex relationships.