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  • His favourite word was reform.

Last in Parliament April 1997, as Liberal MP for Scarborough East (Ontario)

Won his last election, in 1993, with 51% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Finance November 24th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, the suggestion that we have no fiscal policy runs counter to the statement of the hon. member for Capilano-Howe Sound who gave the finance minister a 90 per cent mark.

Of course the government has a fiscal policy. We had a fiscal policy of bringing the deficit down to 3 per cent of GDP. We had that before we were elected and we have that now. The Prime Minister has maintained it and the Minister of Finance has maintained it.

That is our policy and we will do that in the third year of our mandate.

Finance November 24th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member for finally seeing the Reform Party making some positive suggestions. I am delighted to see he has taken the advice of the Minister of Finance to make some positive suggestions.

We are very happy to consider those suggestions along with those of all other Canadians. I am delighted to see that the Reform Party has joined in the consultation process which it has criticized in the past. We will consider those suggestions along with those of everybody else.

If the Reform Party member does not realize it, the answer to his question is when we bring down the budget next February.

Ways And Means November 22nd, 1994

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 83(1) I wish to table a notice of ways and means motion to amend the Income Tax Act and the income tax application rules.

I ask that an order of the day be designated for consideration of the motion.

Standing Committee On Industry November 14th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, it is nice to know the hon. member is an expert on how the CEOs of the banks react to the admonitions of government. Unfortunately he is not an expert. Let me tell him that the CEOs of the banks have taken the admonitions of the Minister of Finance and myself seriously. That is exactly what we told them. We told them that they have to change. We told them that shortly after we were elected and we told them at meetings again and again.

Let me assure the hon. member that there have been far more initiatives put out by the banking industry since this Liberal government was elected than have been put out by that same industry-

Standing Committee On Industry November 14th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member raises several very interesting points. First, there are more than five banks in this country. There are over sixty banks. All of the world's largest banks are here. They are quite free to lend to small business if they wish. One or two of them do lend to small business. The rest of them do not.

Opening up the banking business to what? The charters of trust companies, loan companies and the banks are all the same. Any one can get a charter if they want to. If they want to open a regional business, some have been successful, others have been less than successful. The member should look at the number of financial institutions that OSFI and CDIC insure and inspect. There are several hundred financial institutions. The options are there.

I would also point out that the member is correct in that small business indeed deals with the six large chartered banks. I do not know why. Would it be because for the most part small busi-

nesses get the financing they want from them? It is probably because they provide service to most small businesses.

I do not think all small businesses have problems with the banks. There are far too many. I hope the hon. member will review the list of initiatives I sent to each member of this House. I ask members to go over the list and tell me where these things have not been done. If there are failures in them, if the initiatives are not being pursued, then I would like to know because I will bring those up with the banks that have proposed them.

I presume the banks are serious about those initiatives. They would not have announced them if they were not. They were announced after we had pursued them. If they are not serious, then I hope hon. members will let me know. Some have. Several members have written to me. I hope the hon. member will take the opportunity and tell me of specific instances where these initiatives have not happened in his riding or elsewhere.

Standing Committee On Industry November 14th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I am extremely pleased to have this opportunity and to congratulate the industry committee for the work it has done on the issue of financing small business. I intend to keep my topic to that item.

Our government clearly recognizes that small business is a vital sector of Canada's economy. The report of the industry committee makes a valuable contribution to public debate and understanding of the needs of that sector.

It is worth emphasizing and it is worth emphasizing again and again just how important small business is by beginning with a few facts.

Small business accounts for nearly 40 per cent of our national economy, a third of corporate profits. More than half of all Canadians working in the private sector are either self-employed or work in businesses with fewer than 100 employees. Even more important, in just a decade this same sector of companies with fewer than 100 employees created more than eight out of ten of the new jobs in Canada.

This is not a passing trend. Small business is clearly the engine of growth in the new economy and the policies of this government recognize that fact. As you know, Mr. Speaker, we campaigned on this issue. For example, the Prime Minister and I held a small business forum in my riding in Scarborough East during the election campaign. As the Prime Minister pointed out, if only a third of small businesses in Canada each hired one additional employee fully 300,000 new jobs would be created.

To realize their full potential as creators of new jobs small businesses need the right environment, one that allows them to prosper and expand. Canadians are tired of governments that pursue quick fixes or jump on the latest fad but have no fundamental vision of what government should and should not do in the economic arena. That is why our government set out a new comprehensive vision in its recent paper "A new framework for economic policy".

That paper sets out five key areas on which we must focus. The first is helping Canadians acquire skills; the skills to get jobs, the skills to keep jobs, and the skills to find better jobs.

The second part of our economic framework is encouraging Canadians to adjust to change. That will require changes in the government's approach to subsidies as well as to unemployment insurance and high payroll taxes, which are a detriment to small business.

The third element in our framework is getting government right. That means targeting scarce resources on the highest priority programs and reducing or eliminating lower priority activities. It also means draining the swamp of federal regulations.

Providing leadership in the economy is our fourth objective. The private sector creates jobs, especially the small business sector. The government has a role in fostering economic growth. It can do this for example by gathering and sharing information about technology and information about new markets.

It can help bring businesses together with other businesses and together with the new technology. It can facilitate trade by ensuring access to markets and to adequate export financing.

The fifth and final objective is absolutely essential to fulfilling the other objectives. We must create a healthy fiscal and monetary climate in Canada. Canadians are paying a painful price for decades of deficit and debt. It is measured in high taxes, high interest rates, too few jobs and too little growth. Higher interest rates have imposed a heavy burden on all Canadians and few understand that burden better than the men and women who operate small businesses.

The matter of interest rates brings me back to the central issue here today, access to financing. While know-how and entrepreneurship are the engines of small business success they are not always enough. Access to financing can be a critical issue for small businesses, particularly during their early years. The importance of bank financing to this sector would be difficult to overstate. Indeed, bank financing accounts for about 90 per cent of the external financing of small businesses.

Recognizing this our government met with the CEOs of Canada's major banks shortly after taking office. We urged them to re-examine their approaches to small business lending and challenged them to be more innovative and responsive. The Minister of Finance and I have been very clear in our discussions. The government expects improvement in banking practices. In no small measure Canada's economic prospects hinge upon the banking community, recognizing that small business has specific needs. To meet these needs banking practices must change.

I believe that the banking community is listening and that we are seeing some results. The banks have been taking initiatives to help their small business clients. These include such things as increases in funds set aside for conventional loans to small businesses. One bank introduced a program to provide financial

assistance to viable small businesses that are experiencing temporary cash flow problems. Another created a $125 million venture capital fund to invest in small and medium size companies.

Several banks have introduced programs to enhance the accessibility of knowledge based firms to financing and other banking services. Others have introduced new procedures to handle complaints. One bank has appointed an internal ombudsman reporting directly to the chairman to ensure that a proper level of service has been provided to small business clients. Another bank has established a panel to review complaints, a panel that includes a representative from small business.

The list goes on. Two banks have established regional business centres to provide specialized services to small business clients. Another has introduced a program to provide overdraft protection to SBLA customers that do not have operating credit.

I recently issued a letter to all hon. members outlining these and other bank actions to help meet the needs of small businesses. I sought members' assistance in monitoring the results of these initiatives. Specifically, I asked members to let me know if the banks were fulfilling those commitments and if their initiatives were helping to reduce the credit difficulties of small businesses in their constituencies.

In addition, the government has been working with the banks on a number of important areas related to bank financing. These include several major areas in which the committee reports make some substantial recommendations.

For example, senior representatives of the Department of Finance and Industry have been encouraging the banks to move ahead on a number of issues, including a code of conduct for small business lending.

This code should help place the relationship between banks and small business on a sounder footing by making the borrowing process more transparent and providing a simple, timely and effective mechanism to resolve disputes.

The government has also been reviewing a number of other areas with the banks; export financing, the improvement of banking statistics and the question of personal guarantees for loans under the Small Businesses Loans Act. All these are areas that are being examined.

Against that backdrop I would welcome the industry committee's report with enthusiasm. Many of the committee's recommendations touch on areas where, as I indicated earlier, work is already under way.

I understand that the code of conduct for small business lending will be released shortly. It will establish minimum industry wide guidelines. Individual banks will also be able to develop their own codes which will be released soon after.

The best method of dispute resolution remains to be determined. There are a number of options that will need to be reviewed and the committee's proposals are a useful addition to this discussion.

The committee has also recommended that government departments and agencies work with the banks to improve statistics on lending to small business. Work to improve data in this area is already under way. It involves officials from the Bank of Canada as well as those from the Department of Finance.

In addition to proposals related directly to the bank, the committee has made a number of recommendations pertaining to government programs and agencies. It has, for example, recommended that the Small Businesses Loans Act be revised. We must ensure that this program is run on a cost efficient basis with minimal risk shifting to the government and without preference to bank financing.

The committee is correct to point out that there are concerns about future program costs as well as the extent to which the program adds to the total supply of financing. A successful SBLA program will remain a critical element of the government's small business agenda.

We are reviewing the program with an eye to improving its incremental nature. We are also reviewing it with addressing the fiscal concerns through increased cost for coverage. We will also continue to ensure that qualified private sector lenders other than the banks remain eligible to participate in that program.

Among the committee's other major recommendations was the establishment of a limited working capital guarantee program for small and medium sized exporters. This too is an area in which work is already under way. The Export Development Corporation is currently working with financial institutions on a new insurance product. This product will facilitate the use of foreign accounts receivable by small and medium sized exporters to secure working capital lines of credit. As recommended by the committee, this program will be self-financing and the premiums will be commensurate with the risk.

I focused on the committee's proposals in areas where work has already started. The committee has, of course, made other

recommendations that touch on areas where further study is needed.

For example, the committee has made several proposals, particularly in the area of venture capital which have a significant tax dimension. Clearly these proposals must be examined further to ensure that their full fiscal ramifications and possible side effects are taken into account. Alternative approaches must also be duly considered.

One recommendation in this area is a reduction in the capital gains tax rate on so-called patient capital, that is capital investments with a five-year term or longer. As many hon. members are aware, a task force has been consulting with business and farm groups on the $500,000 lifetime capital gains exemption.

In the course of this review, a number of proposals for reforming capital gains treatment of small businesses have been received including proposals for reducing the capital gains rate on longer term investment. These proposals will of course be examined closely.

I should also point out that a few of the committee's recommendations appear to suggest an easing of prudential standards for financial institutions. These, like all the recommendations, will be carefully considered. Let me emphasize that the government will not pursue any measure that could weaken the financial system in any way. A strong and reliable financial system is central to Canada's economic health. We will certainly not jeopardize it.

In closing, I once again would like to express my appreciation for the opportunity to participate in today's discussion and to congratulate the committee on its report. It is also my intention to state my conviction that Canada's small business sector will become even stronger and more competitive.

Royal Bank Of Canada November 3rd, 1994

Mr. Speaker, this government has made serious efforts to increase fairness. We will make continued efforts to increase fairness.

I would remind the hon. member that the large corporation tax in Canada applies to the banks. The corporate income tax applies to them. They pay a capital tax in addition to that, which is not part of the income tax but is separate from the income tax.

I might add that banks and all other financial institutions are expected, when they make profits the size they are this year, to pay their fair share of taxes which will go toward decreasing our fiscal deficit. That will be an important part of it.

Financial Institutions October 21st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, as I said, we will be considering the whole report of the Senate committee. We will be considering all the matters that were discussed, including Mr. Palmer's suggestions, and we will bring forward a paper later this year on the subject. We hope that legislation will follow shortly thereafter.

Financial Institutions October 21st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, there will be a paper released later this year regarding the deposit insurance system and the earlier intervention in financial institutions.

We are awaiting the Senate report that will be coming out in a short time. The senators have taken considerable time and considerable interest in this subject. We are certainly going to await their report and read it with considerable interest before putting forward a paper.

Ways And Means October 20th, 1994

Madam Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 83(1) I wish to table a notice of ways and means motion and explanatory notes relating to the implementation of the agreement establishing the World Trade Organization, and I ask that an order of the day be designated for consideration of this motion.