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  • His favourite word was budget.

Last in Parliament April 1997, as Liberal MP for St. Paul's (Ontario)

Won his last election, in 1993, with 54% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act November 5th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, there have been numerous meetings between the Palestinian minister of economy and trade and various others with respect to this agreement. We are not just starting that process; this has been ongoing. The Canadian ambassador to Israel, who is also responsible for the West Bank and Gaza, has had numerous contacts over the last year with Palestinian authorities on this trade agreement. This is not something we are just starting right now.

The second issue again raises the question of who should speak for the interests of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. I assert emphatically that it is the Palestinian authority and it can tell us how it feels about this. The Palestinian authority's actions speak volumes about the importance it sees in this treaty for the West Bank and Gaza.

Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act November 5th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, I welcome the opportunity to elaborate on what I said. Numerous contacts have been made, as I understand it, with the Palestinian authority. The Palestinian authority has been briefed and informed by our ambassador as to the free trade agreement and is well aware of the fact that it is now being debated before this House.

I do not think any of us should doubt the capacity of the Palestinian authority to weigh in, as it does from time to time, on issues that are of concern and importance to it. That is why it is so ironic to find some members of this House concerned about the impact of this particular initiative at this time on the Palestinians or the Palestinian authority. We should afford them the respect they deserve in their ability to speak in their own self-interests.

There are ongoing discussions as the parliamentary secretary mentioned. Continuous economic consultations between our embassy and Palestinian representatives are ongoing notwithstanding the fact that we are in the midst of debate and hopefully in very short order will be passing this important trade agreement.

I thank the parliamentary secretary for his comment and the opportunity to elaborate.

Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act November 5th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased today to rise to speak in support of the Canada-Israel free trade agreement.

As members know, trade is extremely important to this country. One third of the jobs in this country are dependent on exports. As members may know, every $1 billion in trade translates into 11,000 jobs.

We should never underestimate the importance of trade to this country. This government, recognizing that, has made several efforts to enhance trade opportunities for Canadian businesses.

First, members will be aware of the several trade missions that the Prime Minister has lead to various parts of the world which have resulted in billions of dollars in contracts translating into tens of thousands of jobs in this country.

Those trade missions and the success of those trade missions help to explain why Canada has led the OECD in job growth. This government has also taken other steps in the trade area, notably, promoting trade liberalization through the GATT or the WTO as it is known. Canada has led the multilateral effort for trade liberalization.

This government has taken the initiative in promoting freer trade bilaterally in the NAFTA, adding Mexico to the negotiations that are ongoing with Chile which may well in time lead to a bilateral free trade agreement with that country and South America, and lately the bill we are speaking on to implement the Canada-Israel free trade agreement.

With respect to Israel, Canadian businesses have been at a distinct disadvantage. Israel and the European Community have a free trade agreement, and so does Israel and the United States. That means Canadian businesses wishing to export products to Israel are at a competitive disadvantage.

This trade initiative will level the playing field, leading to enhanced trade and investment opportunities for Canadians doing business with Israel. This deal will also give Canada a foothold in the Middle East, maintaining us as a player in fostering freer trade in that region and enhancing economic relations with an important part of the world. Canada, through negotiating this treaty with Israel, shows its readiness to embrace new and emerging economies in this trade liberalization effort. Members should not lose sight of the fact that the Canada-Israel treaty will be a model for other treaties with other countries in that region.

Members opposite have raised a number of questions and a number of questions are out there that we should respond to. One of those questions is why free trade with Israel, why at this time. Let me remind members that when we are talking about the Middle East we must not lose sight of the fact that the State of Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, a vigorous democracy at that. We need only reflect on the very hotly contested Israeli elections this past spring to recognize what a vigorous and vibrant democracy is the State of Israel today.

While others may wonder why not free trade right now with other countries in the Middle East, we must remember that Canada would not enter into free trade arrangements with countries which are not members of the WTO, the World Trade Organization, and it is only Israel in that region of the world which qualifies.

I repeat that free trade with Israel will provide a level playing field and respond to the disadvantage that Canadian business has been under in not having free trade access which its American and European competitors have in that area. The free trade agreement with Israel can certainly be a model for free trade agreements with other countries of that region when they join the WTO.

There are members in this House and people in this country who ask whether it is wise to benefit Israel at this time. They are concerned about events there, as we all are, and they ask that question. I want to respond with a couple of points.

First, I want to point out that the initiative, the impetus, the genesis of this agreement is Canadian business. It is not the State of Israel that has come to Canada and asked for the advantage of free trade. It is Canadian businesses that have come to the Canadian government and said that in the efforts to liberalize trade, let us do something in an important area of the world, the Middle East, the gateway to enormous business opportunities for Canadians. Let us end this comparative disadvantage they have vis-à-vis their American and European counterparts by negotiating a free trade agreement. The initiative is from Canadian businesses and the primary benefit is to Canadian businesses.

Second, I would like to focus on the fact that this treaty is remarkably important not only for the trade and investment opportunities it provides but for the fact that the benefits of this treaty will extent to the Gaza and the West Bank. This initiative of extending the free trade agreement to the Gaza and West Bank was a development that the Canadian government undertook and is

indeed one that caught our American friends by surprise, so much so that they have now very recently extended their free trade agreement also to Gaza and the West Bank. Canada has been a trailblazer in this aspect of the treaty which I think will provide real economic benefit to people not only in the State of Israel but in the West Bank and Gaza.

I point out that the Government of Israel has taken all steps required under the treaty to extend the benefit of the treaty to the West Bank and Gaza. I have seen the letter and members will have undoubtedly heard about it. If not, I draw their attention to a letter from Natan Sharansky, the minister of industry and trade, the Government of Israel, to the Minister for International Trade, our minister responsible for this treaty.

The letter confirms that the Government of Israel supports the principle of the extension of this treaty both inbound and outbound to the Gaza and West Bank territories. That is extremely important. For those who wonder if the benefit of this treaty will ever extend to those regions, they need only look at this document. It illustrates that Israel is doing everything it undertook to do in the treaty as negotiated.

Notwithstanding that, there are members in the House who say this is not good for the Palestinians or it is not good at this time. I find it ironic that Canadian politicians can be so presumptuous in telling the Palestinian authority what is good for it. The Palestinian authority and the Palestinian people in the West Bank, Gaza and elsewhere are in a position to tell us whether or not this agreement is in the interests of the people who live in the West Bank and Gaza. There has been no official comment to the Canadian government that this treaty is not appropriate at this time, that it is not desirable. Quite to the contrary. We should take note of that.

Members should recognize this treaty for free trade between Canada and Israel provides remarkable opportunities not just for Canadian business but also for Canadians to continue to be significant participants in economic and other developments in an important region of the world.

There would be no other way for the people of Gaza and the West Bank to have the benefit of free trade, as there is no Palestinian state and there is no other state in the Middle East that could qualify for free trade with Canada at this time. This additional provision of the agreement, its extension to Gaza and the West Bank, is a remarkable opportunity to enhance economic opportunities for people in those regions.

I urge members on all sides of the House to wholeheartedly support this free trade agreement for the benefits it provides, for the opportunities it provides to Canadians including Canadian exporters, for the opportunities it provides for Canada to maintain an important role in an extremely important part of the world. I urge hon. members to support this bill.

Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act November 5th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, I wish to speak on debate. I wanted to speak to the question, with your permission.

Peacekeeping October 23rd, 1996

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the hon. member for his question. Unfortunately, he is a little bit misinformed.

The federal government is certainly not trying to push through a package of cuts to the CPP. It is not trying to destroy the CPP but rather make sure it is there for all of us.

Responsibility for the CPP is shared among the provinces and the federal government. Changes to the CPP require the agreement of two-thirds of the provinces with two-thirds of the population.

The government has been working with the provinces to find balanced changes which both provinces and the federal government can accept to ensure that the CPP is fair and sustainable for current and future generations.

The hon. member also alleges that the federal government has not consulted with Canadians on the CPP. Nothing could be further from the truth. The government and all provinces agreed to a consultation paper which was released last February.

The federal government and all provinces held extensive consultations across the country from mid-April to mid-June. The federal government and all provinces released a report on the consultations in June.

It may be that the hon. member has not read the report and is not aware of what ordinary Canadians think of the CPP. The federal government is continuing to work to find a package of balanced changes which all provinces, including British Columbia and Saskatchewan, can accept. The goal is sustainability and fairness, listening to Canadians' concerns about the CPP and responding with a package of changes that ensure it is there for all of us.

Taxation October 7th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, that is simply untrue. Seventy-five per cent of those Canadians who are the most needy among us will be better off under the new seniors benefit. That is also in the papers to see.

Taxation October 7th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, I guess I get to do it again.

For those members opposite who did not hear the earlier answer, I will repeat there is no across the board 50 per cent tax back rate. I further say on this occasion that it is interesting to hear such a question from the member opposite when his party proposes to privatize it all with no indication of what the cost would be to individual Canadians.

Taxation October 7th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member's question provides an opportunity for the government to respond to those who are fear mongering among seniors. This frightens seniors and I am happy to set the record straight.

The new seniors benefit does not affect current seniors and most Canadians I hope now know that. We have protected the payments of every current senior. We have improved the system for those who will be seniors in 2001. There is no across the board 50 per cent tax back rate as some articles are suggesting. There is no disincentive to save for RRSPs. The fact is the benefit looks at the after tax income of seniors and it will be tax free. Seventy-five per cent of seniors and couples will be as well off or better off than they are today.

Supply September 26th, 1996

Madam Speaker, I will be brief. I think members can express views on either side of this side. The hon. members for the opposition never hesitate to speak their minds and provide us with their interpretation of facts, history and reality. I think we are entitled on this side to do the same. If they do not like how it sounds or how it feels, I cannot help that.

I might add one other item to my list of what sort of society they might be talking about. That is one where one's professional competence and professional ethics are attacked if one does not agree with their opinion because that is what they are doing with respect to the experts before the committee.

I remind the hon. members that one expert was invited by the Bloc Quebecois, which was entitled to have as many others as it wanted. It could only come up with one.

This issue is about taxpayer migration. This government has dealt with family trusts in the last budget to the extent that family trusts impact this issue of taxpayer migration. I think the finance committee has done an excellent job of addressing those concerns.

Supply September 26th, 1996

Madam Speaker, it is a pleasure to be sharing my time with the hon. member for Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke, the dean of this House.

It is time to ask what is really going on here. What is the real motive behind the Bloc Quebecois' fascination with this issue?

When smart people do odd things, it ought to make a person suspicious. I am just a little suspicious about the motives operating here.

It cannot be that the Bloc wants to embarrass the previous government. That is a rather bizarre thing, not that I object.

It cannot be that the Bloc believes that the government has not acted on the auditor general's recommendations because it has done so. First, there was a moratorium on additional tax rulings; second, a referral to the finance committee; third, a very serious piece of work from the finance committee and, from that will undoubtedly flow action on the recommendations of that committee.

This fascination of the Bloc cannot be because its members think we have not responded in a timely fashion. We have.

The fascination cannot be based on some perception of interference or wrongdoing in the decision making process because the auditor general has admitted that there was no such thing.

The fascination with this issue cannot be because there is something wrong in taxpayers seeking advance tax rulings on complex transactions. As they well know, the auditor general in previous years has reviewed and praised the advance ruling process.

If the taxpayers in question wanted to do something untoward, wanted to get away with something, they certainly would not have

come to Revenue Canada and asked for a tax ruling. I suggest that they would have done it.

One of the reasons the auditor general praised the tax ruling process was that it provided, if you will, a heads up to Revenue Canada about transactions and actions out there so that Revenue Canada would be right up to date on the things that were happening. This taxpayer talked to Revenue Canada. He or she did not have to do that.

The fascination of Bloc members can be understood. It is not for any of the reasons above. It is because of who they believe the taxpayer is. Maybe it is someone rich, they say. Maybe it is an anglo. Maybe it is an ethnic. We can draw a lot of lessons from their fascination with this issue.

What lessons can we draw from the way the Bloc has handled this matter about the kind of society it would build in Quebec? Let me tell members. Based on its performance on this matter, its members would build a society in which being successful would bar a person from fair treatment.

They would build a society in which there would be no taxpayer confidentiality. They would build a society in which envy would be the basis for policy, a society led by accountants that envy, bookkeepers of offence, measurers of science. What kind of economy would be left in Quebec in that environment?

What kind of society would they build? Based on the Bloc Quebecois' minority report on this issue, I will say what kind of society it would be building: a society in which expertise and experience is dismissed if someone's opinion disagrees with its ideology.

In their minority report, Bloc members dismiss out of hand the seven out of eight tax experts who appeared before the committee and concluded that the opinions Revenue Canada provided, based on the law and regulation as it then was, were incorrect.

What kind of society would they build? It would be a society in which your opinion would be unassailable if you agreed with their ideology. They cite Professor Brooks, the other of the eight who supported the Bloc's position and disagreed with the seven other experts.

His opinion, of course, was unassailable but the other experts, in the Bloc member's opinion, had a conflict of interest. How convenient.

What kind of society would Bloc members build? A society in which minorities in Quebec might hope to be tolerated but never be quite equal. We are all minorities. It just depends where you draw your borders.

What kind of society would it be? It would be a society led by historical revisionists recasting and perverting history for their own ends. The francophone history in Canada is not one of shame but one of which to be proud. It is one of building a great country together, of opening a continent. What do they want to do? They want to lock francophones up in Quebec.

What kind of society would they build? It would be a society in which someone else is always responsible for the problems: the anglos, the rich, the ethnics, the federalists. Who will they blame if they go it alone?

It would be a society built on an insecurity so severe that they, the separatists, attempt to insulate themselves from criticism, labelling those who have criticized them as sellouts or part of some great overarching conspiracy, a society where government would decide when to suspend the rule of law, and the rule of law is all that stands between us and tyranny.

They would also build a society where it appears, based on the separatists own actions and statements, that there is collective responsibility. The Jewish community is responsible for Mr. Galganov, but the separatists and the francophone community are not responsible for Mr. Parizeau's comments about ethnics, for Mr. Landry's treatment of ethnics or Mr. Villeneuve's comments.

I am pleased to have had this opportunity to participate in this debate but I weep for Quebec, for the decent, hardworking, fair, open people of Quebec who are demeaned by the behaviour and attitude of the separatists as we have seen in this debate and in so many other debates.

I have confidence in the people of Quebec. They will never allow themselves to be led down the garden path to the narrow, stifling, miserable future the separatists have in mind for them.