Mr. Speaker, a week ago, on November 30, I rose in the House to question the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food on a recommendation he had received from a senior executive officers committee that he had struck several months ago. It was looking at some of the ideas concerning ownership of hopper cars, the future role of the wheat board in allocating cars in the grain handling system in western Canada and other similar matters.
I tried to make the point with the minister that the recommendation coming from that group was that farmers would be asked to pay an extra $1 per tonne to raise money to purchase between 12,000 and 13,000 hopper cars the federal government now owns. They have an assessed value of $400 million, but the proposal is that the railways each take half the cars for a sum of $100 million which they can raise by imposing an extra fee of a dollar per tonne on the farm sector for everything farmers ship. In the end, after having collected the extra money from farmers, the railways would own the cars.
This seems to be the ultimate bad deal for farmers. If they are paying for the cars, why do they not end up owning them? This is something farmers are arguing. They think the senior executive officers have presented a proposal that is self-serving in the ultimate. We must remember that at least two of the people on the senior executive committee represent the two major railroads.
The basic justice of the proposal is something I was arguing. The minister in his response said he had not made up his mind yet, but I should remember the senior executive officers recommended that there be a ceiling placed on freight increases, other than the $1 per tonne, for 10 years.
I have listened to responses from farmers in western Canada to this remark. They are very quick to remember that it was a Liberal government approximately 97 years ago that promised the Crow rate in perpetuity, and that means forever in anybody's language. It lasted for 96 or 97 years.
The question the farmers have is a very good one. They are saying if perpetuity lasts 96 and 97 years, how long will 10 years last? The answer in coffee row is until the next budget.
They will not buy that and I do not see why they should. It is incumbent on me as a member from out west to remind the minister that his credibility and the government's credibility on promises for grain rates and promises into future activities of the government or any future government is zero after what they have done to the Crow rate and other things considered to be part of the constitution, almost, for Canadian farmers. That is not acceptable.
What is acceptable is to put those 13,000 cars under the control of the wheat board, even if farmers have to pay for them. At least it would let them know they own them afterward and that their agency, the board, can control them.
The board does an excellent job of distributing rolling stock. As I have pointed out, the ownership of rolling stock was thrust on them because of the railways' refusal in the 1970s when the current minister was assistant to Otto Lang. The railways simply refused to buy or rent rolling stock. Farmers and provincial and federal governments were forced to buy rolling stock to keep Canadian grain rolling.
As I have said, the board has done an excellent job of using the rolling stock. It has extremely high turnaround times, meaning that a car is loaded, delivers its load and is returned to the country elevator system faster than any other grain cars in the system. I will give an example using comparable grains. Durum wheat makes 17 turnarounds in a year using wheat board cars, compared to oats which are operated by the open market and only make 12 turnarounds. This gives an idea of how much more efficiency there is under the board controlling those cars and of the savings that result both to farmers and to railroads from that activity.
I recommend the government take very seriously turning these cars over to farmers. Yes, we will pay for them if we have to, but they should be left in the control of the wheat board.