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  • His favourite word was firearms.

Last in Parliament October 2015, as Conservative MP for Yorkton—Melville (Saskatchewan)

Won his last election, in 2011, with 69% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Petitions March 30th, 1995

Madam Speaker, it gives me great pleasure this morning to present a petition on behalf of the constituents in my riding of Yorkton-Melville.

In light of the fact that the Saskatchewan government is on the verge of balancing its budget and allowing Saskatchewan taxpayers to see the light at the end of the tunnel, they request that Parliament reduce government spending instead of increasing taxes.

I have 18 petitions like this one. I will not go through all of them as they are all very similar. I chose one which was representative of the entire group.

Justice March 29th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, this confirms what I am saying.

The decision is being appealed by the Alberta government, not the federal government. It is my understanding that the federal government has not even applied for intervener status. Yet the minister says and continues to say: "We will pursue the appeal with every confidence that we shall win it".

The Attorney General of Canada has publicly vowed to pursue and win the appeal. How can the defendant ever get a fair trial?

Justice March 29th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, on Monday, in response to a question about a court decision regarding the legality of orders in council used to prohibit firearms, the justice minister twice stated that the Alberta court decision was wrong. That was the Simmermon case. Other ministers have repeatedly told the House that they cannot comment on cases before the courts.

Why is he commenting? Is he trying to influence the courts in the matter?

Gun Control March 28th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, as of March 15, 199 out of 202 members of the Saskatchewan Federation of Police Officers have indicated they are opposed to the Liberal's Bill C-68. That is 98.5 per cent opposed. In case the minister needs help with his math, that is only three Saskatchewan police officers in support of this legislation.

Other surveys of police produce similar results. In Moose Jaw 29 city police oppose, only 6 in favour; in Prince Albert 69 city police oppose, only 4 in favour; in Estevan 23 city police oppose, none in favour; in Weyburn 13 city police oppose, none in favour.

The police on the street in the cities of Saskatchewan are nearly unanimous in their opposition to Bill C-68. The justice minister's coalition for gun control is starting to unravel. What will he do when similar results come in from every city police force in Canada?

Gun Control March 23rd, 1995

Mr. Speaker, we have also had many chiefs of police contacting us, vehemently opposed to more gun controls. The Saskatchewan Association of Rural Municipalities is overwhelmingly opposed. It had over 600 members at the meeting. The Saskatchewan legislature is unanimously opposed to C-68 and wants it withdrawn.

If the Prime Minister's claim is true that registering guns is no different than registering cars, will the minister allow the province of Saskatchewan to establish its own gun control laws?

Gun Control March 23rd, 1995

Mr. Speaker, on Monday night 99 per cent of the members of the Saskatoon Police Association voted in opposition to Bill C-68, the Firearms Act.

Polls taken in Estevan, Prince Albert, Weyburn and Moose Jaw show 95 per cent of the city police are opposed to this bill.

Who is the Minister of Justice going to believe, the chiefs of police sitting in their offices or the real police experts out on the streets catching the real criminals?

Supply March 17th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, the question could be put to people who put their savings away today. What happens to savings in a bank today if the bank goes broke? I think the hon. member realizes that banks have insurance, that those funds are insured. The system would virtually be no different.

I would like to turn it around. What is ensuring Canadians today with all the deposits they have made to the Canada pension plan that they will get anything? It has been administered by a government that has run the fund virtually into the red. It is over $500 billion in the hole. The liabilities in the Canada pension plan are over $500 billion. That is of a far greater concern than possibly some bank that may go under.

The government can regulate this kind of thing. We are putting the suggestion out there. It is something that can be explored by Reformers and the government.

A much more serious problem is being overlooked, the fact that the government will not meet the commitment it made to senior citizens. Years down the road it will be unable to fulfil its commitment.

Interest at the present time is eating into our social programs to the point where it will not be very long that we will be paying more interest-and it may be at that point already-than we will be getting back in social programs. This is how critical it has become. This is why we need to look at alternatives and this is one alternative that should be seriously considered.

Supply March 17th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, it gives me pleasure to address the issue before the House today.

It is clear to everyone but I suppose the Liberal government that 30 years of social engineering have failed miserably. The main reason social programs have become unaffordable and unsustainable is that they create greater and greater dependency on social programs. No matter how these programs are designed, the end result would always be the same. More and more people use the system and eventually it becomes unsustainable because the government can no longer afford to pay the huge sums of money needed to satisfy everyone's so-called needs.

This is why half the people on welfare today are described as employable. This is why our unemployment insurance program actually creates unemployment. Economists call this moral hazard and people in Saskatchewan call it plain stupid. This is something that must be addressed in the debate. The debt and the deficit seem to be issues that people do not even consider in the comments they are making in regard to this matter.

The Department of Human Resources Development issued a report in January 1994 which provided an even more damning indictment of the negative effect of the unemployment insurance program. I want to address most of my remarks to the unemployment insurance aspect.

The report examined over a dozen existing studies which concluded that the changes made to the Unemployment Insurance Act in 1971-72 resulted in an increase in the unemployment rate in the range of 1 to 1.5 percentage points. That is how much unemployment was raised because of the change. The report also noted two unpublished papers that produced estimates showing that the UI rate was as much as 3.5 percentage points higher than it should be. That is very serious.

Using the range of estimates provided in the government's report, it means that instead of the current unemployment rate of 9.7 per cent it should be somewhere between 9.2 per cent and 6.2 per cent. That is a huge difference.

The UI program is so poorly designed that somewhere between 64,000 and 448,000 workers are unemployed because of it. It has not helped that we have suffered through 30 years of incompetent government and a lack of leadership has brought us to where we are today: on the brink of bankruptcy. Now we have 44 per cent of the people in Canada doubting whether they will ever receive old age pension and 42 per cent doubting whether they will receive their Canada pension even though they have paid into it with their own contributions.

The government's incompetence in dealing once and for all with the annual deficit by balancing the books is directly responsible for the deteriorating lack of confidence in our social security system. Instead of adding to our personal security, the approach of the Liberals to social programs is adding to our insecurity. They think if they just tamper with them a bit-and my hon. colleague from the Bloc suggested that we should tinker with them-they can make them better.

We have tinkered for 30 years and now we are on the brink of bankruptcy. Not only have the Liberal social engineering experiments failed us fiscally and economically but they have also failed us socially. The number of single mothers is increasing dramatically, not because teenagers are not smarter than they were when I was young but because many provincial welfare programs will pay welfare to teenagers who leave home just because they have had a disagreement with their parents. It is clear to everyone except politicians that social programs are also destroying families.

Today I want to look specifically at how the registered personal security plan system we are putting forth might be used to improve the current unemployment insurance program. The Reform Party's policy with respect to unemployment insurance has been developed and approved by Reform Party members at a number of assemblies since 1988. Reformers believe the program should be returned to its proper role as a true insurance program to cover periods of short term unemployment and that it should be administered by the employees and employers who pay the premiums, not by some big government in Ottawa.

At our membership assembly held in Ottawa last October Reform delegates, the supreme governing body of our party, voted almost unanimously in favour of the following resolution:

Resolved that the Reform Party investigate the feasibility of replacing the compulsory, government operated, privately funded, taxpayer subsidized Unemployment Insurance Program with a voluntary, personally financed, privately administered, government regulated Registered Unemployment Savings Plan.

That is what we are bringing forward today as a suggestion that should be explored by the government.

Reformers are not alone in thinking that the RPSP concept might have applications beyond savings for our retirement. This is what the Canadian Institute of Actuaries had to say about the possibility of expanding the use of RPSPs to replace the existing UI program in its submission to the human resources development committee:

A well designed Unemployment Insurance Program would be one which would encourage and reward attachment to the workforce. A capital accumulation program would fulfil this role, as this type of plan could be set up to deposit employer and worker contributions into a registered unemployment savings trust account. This account would be tax sheltered and invested at the sole discretion of

the worker, similar to a group RRSP arrangement. This program would be compulsory for all workers and would replace the existing UI program. This could be co-ordinated with CPP/QPP to enhance retirement security.

While the Canadian Institute of Actuaries is saying contributions would be compulsory, Reformers have still not made a decision on whether the program should be compulsory or voluntary. The Reform Party is still investigating this concept and it will be a number of months before we will be able to make a final recommendation to our members.

The winning proposal selected in the Fraser Institute's 1992 economy and government competition estimated that replacing the current unemployment insurance program with the RPSP type program could save governments over $5 billion a year. The proposal also estimated the greatest positive impact came from replacing the disincentives to become hooked on UI with real incentives to work.

Another huge benefit described was the increased economic activity and job creation that resulted from having about $12 billion a year left in the hands of workers and employers instead of being sent to government to be wasted by spendthrift ministers and bungling bureaucrats.

Many other benefits were noted in the study including a $1 billion saving in government administration costs, a reduction in paper burden and red tape for employers and employees, more money in private hands for training and upgrading, and ending the duplication of effort between UI and provincial welfare programs. Surely everyone would realize that and support our proposal on that basis alone.

Based on our initial research and the positive reaction to the idea of RPSPs by economists, business leaders, the general public and even the media, Reformers believe the idea is one whose time has come. Reformers invite the government to support our motion Work with us to help complete our investigation of the feasibility and application of the RPSP concept. We want to work together with government members. They said they were going to co-operate. This is one aspect where we can.

Reformers will initiate extensive research effort in the next few months. We will use this background information to launch a far reaching consultative process to get public input. The concept will become part of the Reform Party's policy development process and will lead to discussion and debate in hundreds of constituency associations across Canada, culminating in a vote and a decision at our next membership assembly. If approved by our members the concept will form part of the Reform Party's election platform for the next general election. Reform will campaign using the RPSP concept, and if elected Reform will have the mandate to implement the changes we propose.

The Liberal approach is the reason many Canadians become cynical with traditional parties and old line politicians. They never say what they are really going to do and they never really do what they say. The Liberals are masters of old style politics more than anything else. Reformers came here to change the democratic system.

Voters under a Reform government would have real power as a result of democratic reforms which would include citizen initiated legislation, free votes for MPs, referendums, MP recall and a triple-E senate.

Reformers know the government started out to solve the problem but now government itself has become the problem. My goal as a Reform MP is to get the government off the backs of people and out of their pockets. The registered personal security plan is one that will help us achieve that goal.

That completes my presentation as I am willing to split my time with my colleague.

Supply March 17th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I listened carefully to what my colleague from the Bloc Quebecois had to say. He asked several questions which I think should be answered immediately.

He asked who is saying social programs are inefficient. The Auditor General has said social programs are inefficient. I want to give the member some quotations from the Auditor General's 1994 report in which he says rising social program use and high repeated use suggests that social programs may be creating long term dependency among some users.

The Auditor General also says these social programs create disincentives to work when benefits from social programs compare favourably to earnings from jobs. He goes on to say employers and employees may be using unemployment insurance to support short term layoff strategies.

Another point the Auditor General makes is that interaction among social programs may result in programs working at cross purposes to each other. One of the other things he says is unemployment insurance may be a factor in Canada's rising level of unemployment and the lower level of outputs that result.

The Auditor General has said we need to take a closer look at this.

My colleague then said this is an idea that rich people and Reform MPs have thought up. My colleague seems to think these are just our ideas. I do not think he has any idea of how the Reform Party works and how we arrive at our policies and principles. The very principles and policies we are discussing here today as Reformers have been brought to us by the poor people of Canada as an alternative to protect them.

I would like to point out to my colleague how a grass roots party works. The idea we are debating today started with our members, not with our leader and not with a group of academics working on some government funded ministerial task force of some kind. Some of the best ideas that come forward come from the grassroots people, not from some top down, antiquated, political, bureaucratic system of some sort. The member should listen very carefully because these are not ideas that we have hatched in the back rooms of some office.

I cannot understand where my colleague from the Bloc is coming from. For a party that wants the provinces to have more control, I do not believe he would argue with what we are discussing today. He is supporting more federally run, big, social programs. We are saying they should be decentralized even to the point where local associations and individuals would have more control over their affairs.

One of the advantages of an RPSP is that there would be a lot less involvement of this big government in our lives. Taxes could be substantially reduced as individuals, local associations and charities would assume more responsibility for their lives in the communities. I believe this knew social order he alluded to

would have a positive effect even on reducing crime. He should take a closer look at what we are suggesting.

I do not have a lot of time today to go into this, but there are other areas, such as higher education, where we could look at this concept. I will give a personal illustration. I have four children. I did not feel that when it was time for them to go to university or whatever institution they chose that I would have the wherewithal to send them there. Therefore, I laid a little bit aside every month when they were young. It was not very much. It was equivalent to the family allowance given by the government at that time.

That small amount of money has grown to the point where now that they attend university, this RRSP type of saving pays for almost half of their education. The hon. member may not know, but I do not come from a wealthy background.

The plan could be applied in so many areas. Poor people could actually provide for their children and provide more security for themselves.

This country is in need of a major overhaul. The very idea the member suggests is unacceptable. Our country is not defined by our social programs, as many members are suggesting. I do not think Canadians can relate to the concept that we are Canadians and what makes us different from other countries in the world are the social programs we have.

It is individual initiative, responsibility, sharing and co-operation. It is the charities we set up. It is caring for our neighbours and our communities. It is the freedom, the strong families and values we have established, the personal assistance we give to each other, not some great social program. That is what has built up this country.

Thirty years of Liberal social engineering took away the personal responsibility. The very fabric of our society is being destroyed and the morale of the people is being broken.

I would like the hon. member to comment on what I have said. Does he not agree the government has failed miserably in running social programs? If he does not agree with our suggestion, what better suggestion does he have?

Questions On The Order Paper March 17th, 1995

What is the estimated economic impact in Canada of the firearms and related industries, with attention to manufacturing, sales and repair, international trade, hunting, sports, recreation, tourism and associated activities and what is the impact that previous and proposed gun control measures have had and will have on the firearms and related industries?