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  • His favourite word was respect.

Last in Parliament October 2015, as Conservative MP for Saskatoon—Wanuskewin (Saskatchewan)

Won his last election, in 2011, with 58% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Criminal Code May 14th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, a lot of loving reasonable Canadian parents spank their children on occasion. The minister of heritage wants them thrown in prison, and that will happen when section 43 of the Criminal Code is removed.

The minister of heritage has signed an agreement that renews funding for the federal court challenges program which hands $3 million to her Liberal friends so that they can engage in social engineering through the courts. She has no right to grant some citizen groups easy access to the courts while shutting out others who represent the values of the majority of Canadians.

What gives the minister of heritage the right to create this uneven playing field, removing justice from the justice system? Why is the government using public money to support a systematic program of legal warfare against its very own citizens, in this case reasonable and responsible parents?

Hepatitis C May 1st, 1998

Mr. Speaker, the provinces will be paying to the tune of $1.6 billion in addition to that $300 million in the years ahead because of the fault of this federal government.

Let us be very clear that it was the federal government that had responsibility for regulating the blood supply. The provinces had no statutory authority in this matter. It is irresponsible for this Prime Minister to now blame the provinces. It is juvenile and petty to use that kind of hostile rhetoric. Why does he not take seriously the federal government's obligation and show even a hint of prime ministerial leadership by improving the package to hepatitis C victims?

Hepatitis C May 1st, 1998

Mr. Speaker, what is cynical is when the government does not acknowledge that the provinces will be paying $1.6 billion in health services over the years ahead because of the negligence of this government. It has not acknowledged that it was not the fault of the provinces. The federal regulators were at fault and this federal government.

Yesterday we had revealed something about the character of the Prime Minister when he responded to the provinces calling for new negotiations to compensate hepatitis C victims. He could have said “I am willing to discuss it. I am open to new ideas. I have some concerns, but together we can overcome them”. A true leader would put personal frustrations aside and sit down with the provinces to work out a new deal. Instead, he—

Costal Fisheries Protection Act April 29th, 1998

I am calling quorum.

Costal Fisheries Protection Act April 29th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Unfortunately there is not a quorum in the House for this very important piece of legislation.

Petitions April 29th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I rise to present a petition signed by 530 people from the Saskatoon area of the constituency of Wanuskewin.

They want the Young Offenders Act to be repealed and replaced with measures that hold young criminals accountable for their actions, public safety to be put first and amendments brought in to the Young Offenders Act.

Hepatitis C April 28th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, Christine Campbell had a blood transfusion for a gall bladder operation in 1985 when she was 29 years old. She writes:

For the past 13 years I have suffered extreme fatigue, bowel problems, nervous conditions and a lot of burnout—. I live in fear of deteriorating even more—. I did not ask for this but I am paying for it and therefore I feel I am being treated unfairly by—being excluded from compensation for hepatitis C victims.

Why is the Prime Minister forcing Liberal MPs to vote against Christine and her family?

Court Challenges Program April 23rd, 1998

Mr. Speaker, there has been a fair bit of a thread of fallacy that has run throughout the speeches that have been made today. It is the fallacy that these cases would not be heard, that there is no way they would have their day in court if it were not for the Court Challenges Program.

I need to state for the record and for the Canadian public that is blatantly false. It is untrue. These cases have been, can be and will continue to be heard in the courts quite aside from court challenges funding. It is important for language rights and equality rights cases to be heard and they can in fact be heard without the Court Challenges Program.

There are other means by which, as they say, poor dispossessed groups that do not have the resources can achieve resource to take issues to the courts. There are wealthy individuals. There are foundations. There is legal aid as well, which is a very good suggestion because it is based on a means test. If those people have a valid case they can have it brought forward and paid for by the taxpayer in that manner.

What we have here is a major problem. The Court Challenges Program in my view is not committed to equality as clarified by judges but rather to their own predetermined understanding of equality. They already have this set idea of what is equality. Then they only allow in and shunt down the road those who meet the particular definition. As we said before legal aid is one means. There are others, as I have suggested, that could be explored as well.

The Court Challenges Program funds interest groups, not individuals. The hon member for Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar referred to Ailsa Warkinson, a lady out of Saskatoon, my home city, who had to link up with a group because she had not been corporally corrected and therefore was bringing her case forward on that basis. Rather it is an interest group. It is a group with a cause, with an agenda.

Also we mentioned before that there were groups. I read from one group that makes the point that “there are many court cases in which we did not intervene or initiate simply because we lacked the funds”. They did not have access to the Court Challenges Program because they did not meet the definition of equality of that biased group which sits on the Court Challenges Program board. These other groups are cut off, shut out and not allowed in. In every case we have been opposed by organizations which were funded by the Court Challenges Program.

Then there is the myth of disadvantaged groups without access that have been made much of today. There are groups that have wanted and needed the funding, that do not have the resources or do not have the reserves. They have been put at a decided disadvantage because time and time again they have been turned away and not allowed any access to the Court Challenges Program.

The charter recognizes certain disadvantaged groups. It is natural, the myth goes, that they should get funding to help them catch up to the rest of us. If that were the case, both sides of the argument need to be heard. Both sides need to be heard in court. That remains. We go to court presuming that one side is right. Therefore there is a necessity in a democratic system, in a proper judicial setting, for both sides to be heard.

As my colleague before me mentioned we have had this great beast of judicial activism beginning to rear its head in Canada, this judicial imperialism, the end run around democracy, usurping the supremacy of parliament. The Court Challenges Program is trying to re-engineer society and set the social policy agenda. It is doing an end run around the elected representatives of the people of Canada.

If groups with social causes want to push an agenda, if they want to push a cause célèbre, they should put a candidate forward at election time. They should get involved in the political process and push that agenda as hard as they want. That is their right. They should not attempt to do it by way of an end run around the courts, usurping the supremacy of parliament.

Obviously I object to the Court Challenges Program. I will attempt once again to seek unanimous consent of the House to have the foregoing motion before us deemed adopted and passed.

Court Challenges Program April 23rd, 1998

Adopted and passed.

Court Challenges Program April 23rd, 1998

moved:

That, in the opinion of this House, the government should withdraw all funding from the federal Court Challenges Program.

Mr. Speaker, the Court Challenges Program by way of background is an independent corporation based in Winnipeg that receives $2.75 million of public money every year. It distributes this money to interest groups so that those groups can then argue their views on the meaning of the charter of rights and freedoms in the courts.

In the 1994 contribution agreement between the program and the government, the overall objective of the program is very carefully stated. It says “the objective of the program is the clarification of constitutional rights and freedoms”. Note the word clarification.

The Court Challenges Program was not charged with the task of advocating specific interpretations of constitutional rights and freedoms. Its role in this process of clarification was to be a relatively minor one having to do with money. It was to provide interest groups with the money needed to present their charter interpretations in the court. Obviously, the judges are the ones who by their rulings must do the actual work of clarifying Canadians' rights and freedoms under the charter.

The problem with the Court Challenges Program is that it does not know its place. Its ambitions go well beyond its mandate. It is not content simply to handle the money side of things and let the courts decide the merits of various arguments. It has set itself up as judge and jury over the interest groups that apply for funding. For example it has been very welcoming to groups that promote gay rights, socialism and radical feminism. But interest groups that bring contrasting viewpoints to the courts, viewpoints which judges need to hear in order to render informed decisions are denied funding altogether.

The Court Challenges Program thus violates section 8.3 of its contribution agreement which says that the program shall fund a broad range of individuals and groups. The program has been anything but broad and inclusive.

This kind of blatant bias is made possible by the lack of adequate, unambiguous criteria for funding decisions. It often happens that when governments decide to fund interest groups, they are unable to answer the question: On what basis did you support one group and not another? In the absence of clear criteria, there is no other way for funding decisions to be made than in an ad hoc way which leaves too much to the discretion of the person who happens to be making the funding decisions.

In a 1992 study undertaken at the request of Consumer and Corporate Affairs Canada, four researchers concluded that various strict procedures needed to be followed in the process of determining which groups would receive government funds. Among those procedures was a process for arriving at some fair criteria for funding decisions. It involved four stages.

The very first stage was that of writing a draft statement of criteria. The second stage was the distribution of that to all affected parties, stakeholders. The third stage was the unbiased consideration of comments on those proposed criteria from the affected parties. Last was the publication of the final criteria.

The authors write that at a minimum, what seems to be required is clearly articulated rules, which are applied equally to all with a stake in the activity and administrators who are obliged to adhere to those rules.

The Court Challenges Program is a notorious transgressor in this regard. Its criteria for making decisions are extremely vague and are therefore susceptible to manipulation by the Court Challenges Program's obviously biased decision makers. Most importantly, since the Court Challenges Program can only fund cases that deal with equality rights under sections 15 and 28 of the charter, the Court Challenges Program decision makers have taken it upon themselves to in effect define what that equality means when clearly that should be left to the judges.

How is it that the Court Challenges Program could be as biased as I am saying it is? The reason for such consistently biased funding decisions is clear. The members of the Court Challenges Program board of directors and also of its equality panel which makes the actual funding decisions are also members of those very same groups that wind up getting funded.

It is a very clear conflict of interest. The organization has no checks and no balances that would serve to guard it against partisan and biased decision making. Instead the government has written these groups a blank cheque by giving them control over the organization that disburses public money for charter cases.

Let us look at an example of an interest group that has been treated unfairly, in order to highlight the bias at the Court Challenges program. REAL Women of Canada is an organization whose approach to women's equality seeks to be sensitive to the needs of other members of society, including unborn children. On many issues, their view contrasts with that of the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund or LEAF for short. Time and again, REAL Women has been denied funding by the Court Challenges Program while LEAF has been consistently handed out cheques.

There have been six court cases in which both groups participated on opposite sides of an issue. In all six of those court cases, LEAF's bills were paid by the Canadian taxpayer via the Court Challenges Program but REAL Women had to struggle to scrape together the necessary funds.

There is no logical reason for this inequality and discrimination against the group REAL Women. Regardless of what one thinks of the views of this group, it is clear that its positions on various issues are representative of the views of a large number of Canadian women. How large that number is is not my present concern, but it is clear that the Supreme Court has regarded this organization as worth hearing in court since it has consistently granted REAL Women intervenor status. Yet the Court Challenges Program whose equality panel is cut from a different ideological cloth than REAL Women has consistently refused to grant funding to REAL Women.

What is most shocking is the written response the Court Challenges Program gave to REAL Women after the group applied for intervenor funding in the Borowski case. Here is how REAL Women describe what happened in a letter written this year concerning a period in the mid-1980s: “In its refusal the Court Challenges Program stated that our view”—REAL Women's view—“of equality was not in accordance with the accepted and current understanding of equality both by society and the courts. This was back in 1987 when the courts had barely dealt with equality issues under section 15 of the charter which came into effect only in 1985”.

Only two years later and the response is that their view or understanding of equality does not fit the set understanding of equality in society and in the courts. Two years later. It is really quite a far stretch to imagine that it would already be that set at that point. “To add insult to injury, the Court Challenges Program enclosed an analysis or critique of our Borowski factum written by Rosalyn Curry, a member of LEAF, which was opposing us in the case”.

Imagine. The Court Challenges Program wanted an expert to examine REAL Women's application for funding and just happened to choose a lawyer who was a member of LEAF, REAL Women's arch rival.

The Court Challenges Program is clearly usurping the role of judges by deciding whether or not a group's legal arguments have merit. They have appointed themselves the justice system's gatekeepers on charter cases of crucial significance.

There is other disputable evidence of bias at the Court Challenges Program. Quite tellingly when the courts have not ruled in favour of one of the Court Challenges Program's favourite groups, the program's literature subsequently portrays that decision as a great setback for justice and equality. That makes it clear that the Court Challenges Program is not interested in letting judges clarify the rights and freedoms we have under the charter, which is their mandate, their reason for existence. Rather the organization is itself an advocacy group whose true objective is to help its friends in the left wing advocacy business.

That was even acknowledged publicly by one of the funded groups EGALE, Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere. In their newspaper Capital Extra , they told their readers as recently as November 14, 1997 “federal funding for the Court Challenges Program means that you have an advocate”. It does not get much clearer than that, straight from the mouth of the gay lobby.

I would like to raise a question which I find interesting concerning how the Court Challenges Program might fare if it were ever itself subjected to a court challenge. I enjoy thinking about this. A 1994 supreme court case dealt with the very issue of selective funding of interest groups. It throws some interesting light on the Court Challenges Program.

The Native Women's Association of Canada argued that the government had unfairly denied it funding and a seat at the table in the so-called Canada round of constitutional consultations that led up to the Charlottetown accord. Four native groups did receive direct funding and a seat at the table but NWAC was not one of them. The group argued that its freedom of expression had been violated as well as its equality rights under the charter.

There were some interesting ideas in terms of the judges' reasons for their decisions. Some interesting ideas emerge which are helpful to us in our consideration of the motion before us today.

The court ruled that a government is free to choose its advisers as long as it does not base its choices on discriminatory grounds. Writing for the majority, Justice Sopinka said that the government must be free to consult or not consult whomever it pleases. There is nothing illegal about a government funding some groups and listening carefully to them while totally ignoring others. So far so good.

Let us be careful to realize that Judge Sopinka's words about the acceptability of bias toward different interest groups applies to governments but not to the judiciary. It would be completely unacceptable for judges to want to hear only one side of an argument and to completely ignore and not even hear arguments from the other side. If they did so the public would lose confidence in the courts pretty quickly.

That is why the Court Challenges Program is such an absurd, offensive and unjust program. It may sometimes be acceptable for the government to listen to arguments on only one side of an issue but the government cannot and should not spend money in the hope that the judiciary will be subjected to one-sided argumentation.

The government can choose its own advisers but it must not choose the judiciary's advisers. However that is the effect of the Court Challenges Program. By funding this biased organization, the government is meddling in the affairs of the judiciary. It is attempting to determine which interest groups will be able to press their case in the courts.

There is another thing which we learn from this supreme court case. The court ruled that the government's decision to fund the four aboriginal groups but not NWAC, it was not based on discriminatory grounds. The decision was based on a procedural preference and not a gender preference. The NWAC argued that the four groups were pushing a male dominated view of aboriginal self-government but the evidence did not support this. It showed that the four funded groups adequately represented both men and women in native communities and that there were no barriers to NWAC's working within those four groups and thus having a voice.

Not only were these groups open to working with NWAC but two of them gave $260,000 of their government funding to NWAC precisely to assist the group in presenting its views. It is instructive that the courts clearly assumed that NWAC's equality rights would have been violated had the evidence shown that those four groups were biased against women and did not represent the views of native women.

It is clear from Judge Sopinka's ruling that the decision would have been different had the evidence shown that the four groups hand picked by the government to represent native Canadians were hindering NWAC's participation in the aboriginal consultation. If we apply Justice Sopinka's reasoning to the Court Challenges Program, the program comes up short.

First, the positions advanced by the Court Challenges Program are not, and I underline are not, representative of the views of the interest groups that have been denied funding. Second, all the evidence shows that the Court Challenges Program is indeed biased against the views of many of the non-funded groups. They do not give out dollars to those groups with whom they differ. Third, unlike the four aboriginal groups that opened their doors to make room for the NWAC to participate in the constitutional process, the Court Challenges Program has no interest in working with groups it regards as ideologically suspect. Fourth, unlike the four aboriginal groups which redirected $260,000 of their funding to the NWAC, the Court Challenges Program has not directed any money to groups whose views it does not share.

For all these reasons I brought this initiative forward. Let me read it into the record again:

That, in the opinion of this House, the government should withdraw all funding from the federal Court Challenges Program.

I seek unanimous consent of the House to have the motion before us deemed adopted and passed.