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  • His favourite word was asbestos.

Last in Parliament October 2015, as NDP MP for Winnipeg Centre (Manitoba)

Lost his last election, in 2015, with 28% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Supply September 18th, 2003

Madam Speaker, I would like the hon. member's views on an aspect of this tax haven loophole system.

Thanks to regulatory loopholes companies can transfer profits earned in Canada to a paper company in Barbados or Luxembourg or the Cayman Islands which, through an accounting sleight of hand, allows them to transform those taxable profits into expenses they can then deduct on their Canadian tax returns because they are subject to a global view of their economic activities. What is the hon. member's view of that particular aspect of what we consider to be outrageous tax loopholes, that the companies can transfer profits earned in this country to their shell companies?

We know that CSL has nine shell companies in Barbados. Enron had 881 shell companies in Barbados. It is a common practice among corporations. This is one of the tricks that Canadians are not aware of, that companies can take profits earned here and write them off as expenses in that shell company through current loopholes that exist today.

Is the member aware of that? Does he also condone and champion that kind of cheating the Canadian public out of its tax revenues?

Supply September 18th, 2003

Madam Speaker, the U.S. is also seized of this issue somewhat. I think it is helpful to look at what the Americans are doing and saying.

George Bush said about six months ago when this issue was raised that Americans had to look at people who try to avoid U.S. taxes and that they had to be looked at as a problem. He started by looking at his own vice-president. I raise this as an example on which I would like the hon. member from the Liberal Party to comment.

When Vice-President Cheney was the CEO of Haliburton, the number of offshore tax shelters rose for that company from nine in 1995 to 44 in 1999. The drop in federal taxes that the company paid went from $302 million a year to a rebate of $85 million a year, in other words, minus $85 million a year. In other words Haliburton, led by CEO Cheney who is now the vice-president, undertook deliberate tax evasion to such a point where it is no longer paying any taxes in the home country. In fact it is getting a rebate every year of $85 million. At the same time it got $2.3 billion in government contracts and $1.5 billion in government loans during that period.

The same thing is happening here. I hope to have the specifics before the end of the day and the debate concludes. Of the 1,700 Canadian companies which are deliberately avoiding paying Canadian taxes by creating these tax loophole shelters off shore in the Cayman Islands, Barbados and Bermuda, many of them are getting government contracts at the same time and paying no taxes in this country.

Would the hon. member agree that it is fundamentally wrong and that the Department of Public Works, in the acquisitions or department of procured services, should review every one of those 1,700 companies? If they are avoiding Canadian taxes they should never get another contract from the government, ever, because what they are doing is economic treason and we should not be supporting them.

Supply September 18th, 2003

Madam Speaker, one of the most galling things to me is that of the 1,700 expatriate companies in Canada that avoid paying their fair share of taxes in Canada, many of them are also eligible for and qualify for government contracts. In other words, the federal government patronizes these unpatriotic companies that seek to avoid paying their fair share of taxes.

Would my colleague from the Bloc agree with me that no Canadian company that takes steps to avoid paying their taxes in Canada should ever be given a public works contract, a supply contract or any contract from the federal government until they pay their fair share of taxes in this country?

Supply September 18th, 2003

Madam Speaker, I am absolutely shocked and appalled at what I have just learned from the member for Joliette. He shared with the House information to which all Canadians should be alerted this very moment. All Canadians should be made aware of what the member for Joliette has just brought to the attention of the House, that on the Canadian government's own Export Development Bank's website there is advice giving counsel to Canadian companies as to how to shelter themselves to avoid paying Canadian taxes.

Has the Canadian government lost its mind? What is wrong with this country? Has the world gone mad? No, not the world, perhaps, just the ruling party. The Liberals have lost their minds if they want to counsel and advise their buddies on how to avoid paying their fair share of taxes in this country. It is a travesty. It is shocking and appalling. I think this is worthy of a news conference immediately to tell Canadians.

Look what Revenue Canada does if ordinary Canadians fail to pay their taxes on time. It hounds them mercilessly. It garnishees their wages. It takes their homes. It literally hounds them to their graves to collect every $50 in back taxes that some poor slobs failed to remit to Revenue Canada. Yet it advises and counsels--

Supply September 18th, 2003

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague from Winnipeg North Centre for giving me the opportunity to share with the House some of the work done by a man that I consider to be a Canadian hero. Mr. George Harris and a group of concerned citizens in Winnipeg tried to take this issue of tax avoidance to the highest level.

This occurred when a Canadian family moved $2 billion out of the country in family trusts without paying any income tax on that money at all. This was in complete contrast and violation to the existing rules. Somehow that family got an exemption.

George Harris learned that the statute of limitations was running out to appeal this outrageous shift of money by a Canadian wealthy family so that it would not have to pay taxes on it. I believe there was $750 million that the family avoided paying. Imagine the difference that could make in an inner city riding like Winnipeg North Centre or my own or anywhere in the country.

Revenue Canada turned a blind eye to it. The deduction was originally turned down by Revenue Canada because the honest people that process tax and follow the rules said this could not be done. However, the government let the family do it anyway. The government then fought it in the courts every step of the way, so that the statute of limitations would expire so that no one could appeal. That was project loophole.

I nominated George Harris for the Order of Canada for his work in project loophole. Mr. Harris is in Africa today working in AIDS relief to his great credit. He is a Canadian champion who had the guts in a David and Goliath situation to take on the Bronfman family and take on the Mulroney government that gave that money away. Mr. Harris took on the Liberal government that did not have the guts to reverse that ruling by Revenue Canada and tax that money to the same level that every Canadian pays taxes on income and capital gains. Instead, the government turned a blind eye.

It was outrageous and a black stain on the history and legacy of the government that it would not listen to a group of concerned citizens as they fought this through the Federal Court. The Liberal government put up 20 lawyers to every one lawyer that this citizen could bring forward in Federal Court to oppose and defend the actions of the government in foregoing the $750 million of money that was rightfully ours. It was our money and we let it slip away out of the country. The government turned its back on it and it was a disgrace.

Supply September 18th, 2003

Or we could drive a bus through. These specific exemptions were left in out of self-interest, out of conflict of interest I accuse.

It makes me furious to think that they can get away with this and then look Canadians in the eye and talk about fair taxation when they, out of self-interest, specifically left in these tax loopholes for which they can take advantage. The man has more gall than Caesar, and he had all gall.

Surely one would think a federal cabinet minister would be patriotic enough to do his business in this country. Surely one would think Canadians would want a future prime minister to fly a Canadian flag on the ships he owns. Would that not be sort of a prerequisite of patriotism for someone who would seek the highest office in the land? It is unbelievable.

This is not just some left wing lobby group that dislikes corporations. This is not the whinging of a frustrated NDPer. Successive auditors general have continuously pointed out that we are being shortchanged, that we are losing opportunity and revenue, by design, deliberately, to shovel these benefits into the hands of corporations.

Let me deal with the banks for a moment because I do not have much time.

Certain Canadian banks are operating in tax havens which are even blacklisted by the OECD. Charter banks means we give them the exclusive right to certain financial activities and privileges, very profitable privileges, for instance, credit card transactions, cheque processing transactions.

Surely those Canadian charter banks that we call our own have an obligation to pay their fair share of taxes and not actively seek out every possible way to avoid paying taxes in this country. It undermines our tax base and our tax system. It undermines the quality of life we enjoy because we do value quality of life. We do seek to elevate the standards of living conditions for all people and that does take a tax regime that is higher than that of Barbados and higher than some of the other tax shelter countries.

It undermines our tax base when it puts Canadian companies at a disadvantage. Those Canadian companies that stay here and pay their fair share find themselves at an economic disadvantage against those who go out and participate in this economic treason. It gives justification for the Canadian Alliance to stand and say that Canadian businesses are at a disadvantage to other global competition because in that sense it is true. Well, we should plug that loophole. It is that simple.

I wish to thank the member for Joliette for giving us this opportunity to remind the government in the twilight days of this Parliament to do the honourable thing, do what is right and put an end to this outrageous rip-off. I cannot say how disappointed and angry I am at this entire stink.

There is another tax loophole that the government has selectively left unplugged, and that is the whole idea that business fines are still tax deductible. In 1994 the government revisited this issue and made it so that bribes were no longer tax deductible, but it did not plug the loophole so that business fines would not be allowed to be tax deductible. Well guess what? The former minister of finance, the future Prime Minister, got the largest single fine in Canadian history for polluting the Halifax harbour with offshore dumping of bilge water or sludge or whatever pollutant into the water.

Happily the laws have not been changed, even though the government was made aware of this in 1994, 1996, 1997, and by my private member's bill in 1998, 1999 and 2000. It has had ample opportunities to change this but it does not want to plug that loophole because it is to the advantage of certain cabinet ministers in the government, specifically the owner of Canada Steamship Lines. It is outrageous.

My colleague from Winnipeg North Centre read some comments from the CBC television show that exposed this outrageous shell company situation that Canada Steamship Lines and other Canadian companies enjoy in Barbados. She pointed out that Canada Steamship Lines has nine shell companies in Barbados. All they are is a post office box. They do not produce anything; they do not generate anything. They do not build widgets in Barbados. It is not as though they are engaged in any activity other than providing a post office mailbox for Canada Steamship Lines so that they can avoid paying their fair share of taxes.

We should not tolerate it. Canadians should be in the streets with pitchforks screaming about this issue. Canadians deserve to be outraged. Unfortunately, I think they are getting jaded. They are getting used to maybe the way Ottawa does business. Well, it is not the way it does business as long as we have anything to say about it and as long as we have breath to expose this kind of issue.

How can the revenue minister, of all people, stand in her place today and defend what amounts to organized tax evasion; systematic, institutionalized, organized tax evasion? It puts these companies in the company of biker gangs and organized crime and other people who use the absolute secrecy of these offshore banks to disclose all kinds of criminal activity. That is who seeks these things out, those who do not want their financial activities known to others. That is who engages in this offshore banking regime that exists internationally. It does not say much for the company that they choose to keep when it is rogues, crooks and certain Canadian corporations that choose to avail themselves of these outrageous tax loopholes.

Talk about ethics and values being the operative buzzwords of Ottawa these days. Where are the ethics? Where are the values demonstrated by a cabinet minister in the Canadian government, exercising rights under these rules as they exist today? Where is the morality of it? We know it is legal, but is it moral? Is it ethical? No, it stinks to high heaven, and I, like most Canadians, am outraged. I, like all Canadians, thank the member for Joliette for allowing us this opportunity to lambaste the government on this issue today.

Supply September 18th, 2003

A ship through or a tanker. I thank the member for Kings—Hants for--

Supply September 18th, 2003

Madam Speaker, I would like to begin by thanking the member for Winnipeg North Centre, the NDP finance critic, for so generously sharing her time with me. I begged for an opportunity to participate in this debate because this particular issue makes my blood boil.

I also would like to take a moment to compliment the member for Joliette, who had the good sense to bring this issue before the House of Commons today, for giving us the opportunity to debate it and to recognize the tireless contribution he has made in his efforts to bring some semblance of reason and fairness to the Canadian taxation system as it pertains to these offshore tax havens.

I agree with the member for Joliette and the member for Winnipeg North Centre that these tax havens undermine Canada's tax system. It is as simple as that. When individuals and corporations can legally and by design avoid paying their fair share of taxation it puts an added burden onto the rest of us.

I will be concentrating mostly on the corporation side and touch briefly on individuals who take advantage of these outrageous tax loopholes. However I accuse both of them of nothing short of economic treason for taking steps to deliberately avoid paying their fair share of taxes in the very country that gave them the opportunity to prosper, to flourish and to achieve certain wealth.

I believe the convention with Barbados should be terminated, as simple as that, for the simple reason that this is not a reciprocity agreement among equals. It is not as though we are dealing with France, Germany, Italy or other G-7 countries where we are trying to avoid double taxation, which would be unfair, we all agree. It is not reciprocity at all when 99.9% of the business is flowing one way in the 1700 Canadian businesses that are seeking to avoid paying taxes in Barbados. How many Barbadian companies are setting up in Canada to participate in our tax regime and benefits? It is completely one-sided. It is completely an arrangement of convenience for those who would seek to avoid paying their fair share of taxes and shortchange the Canadian people and certainly our taxation system.

In 1994 and 1995 the rules were addressed somewhat. They started plugging some of the more egregious, offensive tax loopholes. For instance, one could no longer deduct a bribe. Believe it or not, up until 1994 bribes were tax deductible. Granted, the former minister of finance, our future prime minister, plugged that one, but he specifically left exemptions big enough to drive a truck through, big enough to drive a--

Supply September 18th, 2003

The architect.

Supply September 18th, 2003

A Canadian hero.