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  • His favourite word was federal.

Last in Parliament May 2004, as Canadian Alliance MP for Calgary Southwest (Alberta)

Won his last election, in 2000, with 65% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Hepatitis C May 6th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, the House wants to know whether the federal government is prepared to negotiate expanded compensation for hepatitis C victims before 1986.

First the government refuses to take responsibility. Then it refuses to put any more money on the table. After the caucus meeting this morning there are insults and attacks on the Government of Ontario for offering to do something in this very area.

Is it not true that the Prime Minister is deliberately trying to scuttle any further negotiations on this issue by his attacks on the Government of Ontario?

Hepatitis C May 6th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, yesterday Premier Harris wrote to the Prime Minister and urged him to compensate hepatitis C victims infected before 1986. He wants health officials to discuss how victims can be compensated and not whether they should be compensated, and he has committed up to $200 million for pre-1986 victims.

Will the government follow the example of Premier Harris and provide funding for victims infected before 1986?

Hepatitis C May 5th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, we have had a whole judicial inquiry into this and Justice Krever answered this question by saying that there was a way to detect this disease in the blood supply as early as 1981 and that these people became ill because of government negligence.

The victims, the premiers, the Prime Minister's own backbenchers are asking him to accept this principle. I ask him one more time, does he accept the principle that all the victims of hepatitis C who contracted it through government negligence should be compensated?

Hepatitis C May 5th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister is still a big part of a problem. Federal-provincial negotiations on this subject are going to get nowhere unless the Prime Minister accepts this principle. The principle is that all victims of hepatitis C who contracted that disease through government negligence should be compensated.

Can we get a straight answer from the Prime Minister? Does he or does he not accept that principle?

Hepatitis C May 5th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, yesterday, under pressure from the premiers, the health minister finally started to change his position toward the victims of hepatitis C. After weeks of belligerence and excuses the minister has finally started to sound a bit conciliatory. But he still did not answer one critical question, so I would like to put that question to the Prime Minister.

Does the Prime Minister now agree that all those who contracted hepatitis C through government negligence should be compensated?

Supply May 5th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, to set the member straight on that question, it was the victims of hepatitis C themselves who advanced the case. They did a far more effective job of it, far earlier than any politician on either side of the House.

It was Justice Krever who advanced this case to the point where it simply could not be ignored by the government or stuffed under the table.

The role that has been played by the Minister of Health in this issue has been that of a lawyer arguing the government's side of the case, not of a health minister whose primary concern is the health of Canadians.

There were arguments on one side of the issue. There were arguments on the other side of the issue. The health minister, this lawyer in health minister's clothing, took the arguments on one side of the issue and consistently presented them in this House until he was knocked off that position by the provinces, the victims and the official opposition.

Supply May 5th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member has a pretty short memory, or perhaps we should say a selective memory.

He might recall that during the period the Krever commission was carrying on it was the government that attempted to stonewall that commission. It particularly endeavoured to prevent that commission from getting cabinet documents that might have implicated Liberal cabinet ministers.

The period Krever was talking about, 1981 when the test was available, was when there was a Liberal government in power. I suggest the official opposition has pressed this point during the Krever inquiry. It was the government that resisted our inquiries.

In our view the government has not done the right thing in response to the member's question and no amount of apologizing after the fact, no amount of legal gobbledegook from either the minister or other members, no amount of spinning the story, no amount of trying to now appear to be on the side of the premiers when the government a week ago was castigating them in this very House as being opportunistic, callous and cynical; no amount of that type of thing will remove from the government's record the fact that it acted in this case not with compassion and not with justice but it acted in precisely the opposite fashion.

Supply May 5th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion before the House and to add my voice in urging other hon. members to do likewise.

For weeks the issue of securing fair compensation for all the victims of tainted blood has been front and centre in the House. The health minister and the Prime Minister presented legal, financial and accounting arguments against expanding the compensation package, but weightier arguments based on the concepts of fairness, compassion and morality have also been presented with many of them being provided by the victims themselves. These arguments led to expanding the compensation package for victims of tainted blood. We on this side of the House are pleased to finally see some small movement in this direction by the government.

The principal objective of the official opposition in this whole exercise, and it is reflected in the NDP motion before the House, is simply to get fair compensation for all those who contracted hepatitis C as a result of defects in the federally regulated blood system. The objective is not to drag the government down and thereby score political points. The objective is to simply do the right, fair and compassionate thing for the victims of this tainted blood tragedy.

Daniel Johnson, the former Liberal leader in Quebec, is to be commended for his initiative in raising this issue in a new way in the Quebec legislature. Premier Harris of Ontario is to be particularly commended for his leadership in this matter. Not only has Premier Harris declared that the compensation package should be renegotiated but he has also agreed to bring more money to the table.

We feel therefore that the time has come for the federal government, in particular the Prime Minister himself, to start showing some real leadership on this issue and to drive it to a fair and compassionate resolution. In our opinion the exercise of this leadership involves three things.

First it involves the Prime Minister himself convening a national federal-provincial meeting in order to resolve this injustice. We agree that the victims of tainted blood themselves should have input to this meeting, which is the thrust of the motion before us. We also believe that this meeting should be convened by the Prime Minister because the federal health minister has lost all credibility on this issue. To coin a phrase, he has hit rock bottom.

Second, federal leadership on this matter should involve directing the Minister of Finance, who has been strangely silent throughout all of this, to develop a plan for financing the federal portion of an expanded compensation package by reallocating funds within the existing federal budget.

Third, in order for the federal-provincial meeting alluded to by this resolution to be successful, the federal government must clearly and publicly abandon three arguments which the health minister and the Prime Minister have been using over the past few months to fight any expansion of the compensation package. These arguments need to be identified and abandoned now because if the government continues to maintain and advocate them, the federal-provincial meeting envisioned by this resolution will not be successful. Let me be specific.

First, the Prime Minister must fully and frankly abandon the argument that there was no test available prior to 1986 to detect hepatitis C in the blood supply. This is a false argument.

Justice Krever said clearly that such tests were available. My colleague has already referred to Dr. Moore of the Canadian Red Cross national reference laboratory proposing a test to help screen donors for non-A and non-B hepatitis as early as May 1981 and the New York Blood Centre was testing for hepatitis C in 1982. The government must acknowledge that its 1986 line in the sand was drawn there primarily for political reasons which are simply not acceptable to the Canadian people.

Second, the government must abandon the argument that compensating all victims of hepatitis C who contracted the disease through tainted blood will somehow open the floodgates to compensate everyone and anyone who becomes ill for whatever reason. This too is a fallacious argument.

No one is asking the government to compensate everyone who becomes ill regardless of the circumstances or the causes. What we are requesting is that the government compensate people who became ill as a result of proven government negligence, negligence established as a result of a thorough, objective, scientific and judicial inquiry by the Krever commission.

Third, the government must abandon the argument that somehow compensating all victims who contracted hepatitis C from tainted blood will be fiscally irresponsible. The official opposition finds this argument both hypocritical and false.

It is hypocritical coming from Liberals who normally have no hesitancy about spending public money on anything, particularly when it is other people's money. It is also false because there is a way to increase the federal compensation for victims of tainted blood in a fiscally responsible manner. There is a way to increase the federal compensation for victims of tainted blood without increasing total federal spending, or taxation, or unbalancing the budget.

The finance minister should be directed to find the money, not through any spending or taxation increases but by reallocating resources within the existing spending limits. Possible sources of funding include the $7 billion in savings proposed by Reform to the finance committee during the budget, debate and the finance minister's so-called $3 billion contingency fund.

In other words, the federal government should approach the funding of this expanded compensation package in exactly the same way that a Canadian family faced with an unanticipated family crisis would face the problem. If the family had no additional sources of revenue, the only way to cope with a crisis like this would be to reallocate funds, to take money from some other purpose and apply it to dealing with the crisis.

This is precisely what the federal government should do in this case. If it needs help in applying the novel concept of fiscal responsibility within existing spending limits to this situation, the official opposition would be more than happy to offer that help.

In conclusion, I want to pay tribute to all the victims of hepatitis C who have persisted in presenting their case. They have persisted in the face of intransigence from the leader of our country, and the Minister of Health who is supposed to be the guardian of the health care system, and the intransigence of the government itself. These people are persistent despite their illness and lack of resources.

This resolution before us today acknowledges their persistence and gives them standing at the federal-provincial meeting. May I suggest that the greatest tribute we can pay to these people is not through resolutions, through speeches or through press releases but by simply doing the right thing. In this case doing the right thing involves providing just and compassionate compensation for the effects which this terrible tragedy has had, is having and will continue to have on their lives and on their families.

Hepatitis C May 4th, 1998

So far we have not seen any doing the right thing on this file, Mr. Speaker.

When this renegotiation occurs the current health minister's credibility will be shot. He will be incapable of renegotiating a new agreement. The current health minister has misrepresented the position of the provinces from the very beginning in the House. He has bad mouthed them and he tries to take credit for giving leadership when the leadership is coming in this case from the provinces.

When will we have a new health minister who would be capable of renegotiating in good faith with the provinces?

Hepatitis C May 4th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, the government has known for several hours about this change in Ontario's position. It must have something more constructive to say than what it has said.

Mr. Harris has said “Ontario will do the right thing and we call upon the federal government to join us”. The answer we want is to this question. Will someone on behalf of the government stand and say “We will do the right thing and join the provinces in renegotiating this agreement?”