Transport committee  There is total transparency.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  That's comparable, but I'll have to get back to you with the numbers. I don't want to give you numbers I'm not absolutely sure of.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  We make planes and trains. That's it. The group that makes snowmobiles and Sea-Doos--and I'm delighted to not have to hear from people who have cottages--is a private company that has nothing to do with Bombardier per se. So we're in just those two businesses, but they are extremely complex.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  First, a correction on the number I gave you. I was talking two-thirds of our employees globally--that is to say between BT and BA--are outside Canada, but in the case of Bombardier Aerospace, two-thirds of our employees are in Canada. So only one-third of our labour force is elsewhere.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  Operations outside of Canada?

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  About 66% of the workforce is outside the country.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  I didn't mean to make that suggestion lightly. I fully echo your view. I think it is extraordinarily important for all Canadians to understand what this industry is about. It's unique. And it's not necessarily evident what this thing is, unless you're exposed to it on a reasonably intensive basis.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  Thank you, Mr. Lake. I'm happy to do this CAE-style and simulate a meeting with your constituents. Let me just say I'd love to do it for real too, because this is an important issue. Perception is sometimes reality, and over the years--for reasons I won't go into--the perception has veered off from the reality in our country.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Bachand, Bombardier, as an aircraft manufacturer with activities in both the United States and Canada, has had experience with American control procedures for decades. These procedures change from time to time, but at the moment, they are much more stringent than they were in the past.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  I'll make my point quickly. First of all, we don't get SADI. We've not applied for SADI at this point. But we have been partners in TPC and DIPP, and as I said, we've paid back. But leaving that aside, I agree with you that's not the major benefit. It's risk-sharing, and if a highly risky proposition pays off—which it has done in this sector—it's a good return to the taxpayer right there.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  I'll start with two acronyms, and then a long clause, if I can put it that way. The acronyms are HR and R and D. I couldn't agree more with what our colleagues said about the absolutely critical nature of the human factor here. This is not an industry where labour is a commodity.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  I'll take my turn. I apologize, Mr. Bachand, for not having answered your questions, but I think that my colleagues covered the matter more elegantly than I could have done so. You ask a critical question, Mr. Lake. I don't have a coherent single answer to your question, but I have pieces of an answer.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  I'll just add a couple of words to that. We are all a product of our history, and the history of the Canadian aerospace industry was determined in the 1960s by the government of the day to be in the civilian realm. We were a manufacturer of military aircraft and we decided not to do that any more, but it was still decided, wisely, I think, in retrospect, that this country benefited from having an aerospace industry and that it was worth fostering that aerospace industry in the civilian realm.

Subcommittee on Canadian Industrial Sectors committee  Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chair, for having giving me the opportunity to talk about Bombardier's view of the situation currently being experienced by the aerospace industry. I will make my comments very short and informal, if I may. I know the discussion will be a rich one, and I look forward to participating in it.

International Trade committee  Let me go back over a couple of points I made. The EFTA group, with which we are negotiating now, is a smaller group of countries--