Industry committee  No, but two years seemed to be reasonable, given the technology that is used and what is done in other countries. That was determined to be appropriate.

Industry committee  If we look at consumers, for retail food we're looking at the same level of numbers as gasoline. But in other sectors, as we mentioned, for example, truck refuellers, the compliance rate is about 80%--it's not 94% for measurement; it's 80% of diesel fuel for those trucks. For home heating oil meters we're looking at a 70% compliance level.

Industry committee  I wouldn't say it's because it's diesel versus gas. These are a different type of high-flow measuring device. But again, we have to keep in mind that right now under the act there is no obligation to have those devices calibrated and inspected with authorized procedures. Right now there is nothing.

Industry committee  This was discussed during our consultations. We looked at what's done in other countries as well. We don't know of any country that would make a regulation based on the throughput of the gas dispensers. The maintenance and the coordination of that would be very difficult. Of course, under the act the retailers are responsible for making sure their devices are accurate.

Industry committee  You have to be careful. These plastic containers are not certified. Often, there is a line on them. It is difficult to judge the quantity on these containers.

Industry committee  As Ms. Roussy mentioned, Measurement Canada monitors the authorized service providers. She explained the process. This is a really detailed process, and the authorized service providers would have a lot to lose if it were determined that there was a problem with their operations.

Industry committee  This decision was made further to consultations with the industry and stakeholders, including the representative you referred to. A few years ago, we held consultations and the stakeholders made a unanimous recommendation: an inspection every two years. In Canada, weights and measurements come under federal jurisdiction, whereas in the United States, this area comes under the individual state.

Industry committee  Again, they took all our database, so we don't know what part they used to publish their numbers. But if we look at the period of time—I believe it was from 1989 to 1998—other than for initial inspections, there were very few organizations recognized by Measurement Canada to perform on-site inspections of gas pumps over those years.

Industry committee  It is unlikely. There's a reason why the tolerance is at that level internationally. There are a lot of factors that have to be taken into consideration, and the uncertainty of the calculations of the determination is a factor, internationally. Our tolerance is the same in the U.S., in Europe, in Japan and Australia.

Industry committee  You have to keep in mind, we don't control the information that is used by the media. There was an access to information request made several years ago, and they used that data to produce those numbers. We don't comment whether they're right or not. When we issue data, we base it on our data, which is unbiased.

Industry committee  Yes, that's about 65% or 66%. That's our data.

Industry committee  That's right. That is not included in the $20 million, and it's not data that we have.

Industry committee  No. What we said was that the $20 million was based on the 2008 inspection. From one year to another, it's pretty much the same, but depending on the price of gasoline, it could go up or down, obviously. Basically, the $20 million represented all the pumps that were found to be inaccurate, not complying with the regulations, that were penalizing consumers—$20 million.

Industry committee  Yes, that's right. We don't have that data because we consider those devices to be in compliance. We don't know in which direction they would be.

Industry committee  Absolutely not. These are regular inspections done by government inspectors.