Bill C-11 committee  You have to prove it.

Bill C-11 committee  We do deal with it, but—

Bill C-11 committee  But why go there in the first place? Education is dealt with effectively in the law already.

Bill C-11 committee  Do you mind if I answer in English? The resale right is great for people who have a secondary market. Artists who've reached a certain level in their practice whereby their prices are higher have built their market. There are also aboriginal artists who might sell to buyers in the north at a very low price, and then the work is taken to some market in Germany where people pay crazy prices for things.

Bill C-11 committee  There's plenty of litigation around, it's just that I don't want to have to deal with fair-dealing litigation if I don't have to.

Bill C-11 committee  —it's just that will make our life so much more difficult.

Bill C-11 committee  You have to go through the six-step test and—

Bill C-11 committee  It's not that they're unclear, it's that you have to argue them. Cases are complicated.

Bill C-11 committee  I do not want to deal with museums that say they don't have to pay us because they're so-called educators. Up to now, they have not been classified as such.

Bill C-11 committee  I think, effectively, for TPMs, some exist, some don't—

Bill C-11 committee  I've listened to some discussions of TPMs and I've heard that they're extremely ineffective. There are many different kinds. I think it's irrelevant, quite frankly, as a discussion. I would really like to see the levies, quite frankly, because that's concrete.

Bill C-11 committee  Yes.

Bill C-11 committee  Well, then there would be no control and there would be no remuneration.

Bill C-11 committee  I think we'd beg to differ.

Bill C-11 committee  I really dislike the fair-dealing exception for education. I think it makes things much too confusing for everyone. It opens it up to institutions that are not educators who can claim to be so. As I said before, I think the act currently covers education extremely thoroughly. I think we're fine the way it is.