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Government Operations committee No, I actually agree with Mr. Matthews. Particularly the technology that is now available in some of the off-the-shelf systems, some of the SAP systems that we're looking at, they actually have the capacity to do the matrix mapping and the coding. If that's where we wind up going in terms of our clustered systems or streamlining in financial administration, if we build in that need at the beginning before we actually implement those systems, we should be able to track on both levels and perhaps some others at no additional cost.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee On the systems side, with shared systems for financial management, the horizon really is three to seven years, with more substantive changes actually happening in five to seven years. What we have before you, in terms of the work plan, is what we would be doing now with existing systems.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee Yes, it does dovetail with those changes.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee One of the issues we have, though, is also reducing the number of times we change, because we do need to track both behaviour and expenditures over time. If we change once the vote structure, we will still have to maintain our reporting on the current vote structure to understand what's happening.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee Yes. You may call it what you will, but it's a reduction, such as in operating or in capital.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee It's simply a reduction, in that case, of $25,000 in the operating vote.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee Right. In fact, our basic assumption in looking at the mock-ups and implementation was that Parliament would continue to vote at whatever that level of control is and they would continue to have those three options.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee Your first question was if we actually talked to the ones who didn't respond. We did a bit of an outreach to make sure we had significant input from each cluster, or each set of similar organizations. It was probably the smaller organizations in some instances that we didn't hear from.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee In terms of changing legislation if we went to a lower level of granularity, it may be that we would have to modify some departmental legislation where they have specific authorities. The other side, though, is there are a number of government-wide policies having to do with expenditure management that would have to be revisited.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee If I may, for the supplementary estimates (A), for the first time we have an online document that shows supplementary estimates by strategic outcome and program. That's for information purposes only, but it begins to give you a sense of what that would look like.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee I mean the draft bill that's in the book, it's by capital grant, whereas the mock-up has it by strategic outcome.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee That is the difference. What we tried to do in last year's main estimates, which you have before you, was to take the information on a strategic outcome and program level as far as we possibly could, but we retained the voting structure by type of expenditure. If you were to look at the bill—
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee This year, for the first time in the main estimates, we had a one-to-one alignment at the high level of the strategic outcomes and programs, so there is a direct matching.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton
Government Operations committee —and at the level of the PA.
May 28th, 2013Committee meeting
Sally Thornton