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Citizenship and Immigration committee  We need to have the proper channels and tightly prescribed limits on where you can share, what type of information you can share, and with whom you can share. The sharing of information in a CBSA, law enforcement, or security context is extremely crucial to efforts, but it must also be very carefully crafted, monitored, and done with utmost seriousness.

April 30th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Citizenship and Immigration committee  You're correct about this being a global phenomenon. All countries face this, and as Mr. Linklater mentioned, for example, the Arab Spring that happened not long ago posed certain challenges to all border authorities around the world, certainly to those in Europe. The way you have to prevent terrorists from slipping through the net goes along with what I was talking about last week—working with our key allies, having a robust prevention strategy that operates overseas, and sharing information appropriately with key allies.

April 30th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Not only is it in the best interest, it's also required, because border authorities first have to determine identity upon arrival, and then they have to determine admissibility. So there are legal requirements to be undertaken as well.

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I can, and I will be brief. Picking up on what we were discussing previously, what's unique about the organizations that smuggle people around the world is that they tend to operate and change their tactics very quickly. They're very adept at responding to any efforts that are made.

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Actually, I would take it broader than Canada and the U.S.

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I would take it with Canada and some of its key allies. The networks, as I said, move, and ebb and flow. So the networks are very nimble. The facilitators fly around the globe. What happens is that the networks use source and transit countries. The migrants will “make a deal” with a smuggler from a source country, they will leave that source country, and they may stage in another country right around the globe.

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Thank you. International cooperation and capacity-building is the main part of the prevention strategy. Canada has invested money in helping countries build their capacity, their law enforcement capacity, their immigration capacity overseas, where those networks operate—oftentimes not just the source, but in the transit countries.

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Citizenship and Immigration committee  What the minister is saying is correct. Canada overall has a multi-phased approach to combatting human smuggling and the criminal networks overseas, and that whole idea is built on the pillar of prevention.

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I will be very brief. You are correct. I think the way to approach this is to just generally talk about what we know about smuggling and what we've learned through various operations, through intelligence gathering and, let's face it, through experience. Smuggling is not new.

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Smuggling brings threats to our country, and that is something that border officials need to determine in order to ensure that Canada's borders are secure and our sovereignty is maintained.

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Good afternoon. I'm Michael MacDonald, director general of national security operations at Public Safety Canada.

April 26th, 2012Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  It's an excellent question, and I'll make an overall comment. Under our system of listing, it is not a crime to be a listed terrorist entity. There's no punishment for that. Listing serves many purposes: dealing with the financing of terrorism, placing a prohibition on people dealing with an entity, and letting the public know who the government considers to be a terrorist entity as well as the consequences that flow should you support....

December 13th, 2011Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  To be honest, and with respect, I think that's a question that we here can't answer. I think that's something for an intelligence or law enforcement agency—

December 13th, 2011Committee meeting

Michael MacDonald