Citizenship and Immigration committee  What I find astonishing is that not a single MPP, not a single one, of any party has said anything about this, and, in fact, not a single councillor in Hamilton has said anything about this, and they're paying the freight. I find that amazing. I think part of it is political correctness, frankly, because they don't want to say...well, we don't want to come out and criticize the Hungarians, or, most of these people are Roma, and they don't want to use the word “Roma”, because they don't want to be condemned as being politically incorrect—probably by the people next to me, so....

Citizenship and Immigration committee  As I indicated, the major problem for the Canadian taxpayer is this $50,000 for every bogus refugee, of which virtually every one of them is from the European Union. So the attraction of the bill, from what I can see, is that instead of taking three years or four years—and it has been longer for some of these people—you will have a process whereby people will be dealt with right away and leave.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I think our system is totally broken. This is organized crime. They were active over there, they came over here, and they have records and outstanding charges. They became landed immigrants, and so on and so forth. They continued with crime. To me, that's a system that's broken.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I don't think it is working. People who are fugitives from justice, like Karadi, who was in our country for four years and we were paying him, why shouldn't they go into detention? I don't know all the mechanics of how it's going to work, but there's a prime candidate.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  In our prosecution, how many people have we got charged? We now have 15 convicted, two more charged, and we're looking for two. The people at the top of the list are all the accused.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Not any more, because we deported some of them. But at the time we laid these charges, the majority were living in Canada. In fact, they were all living in Canada, except for the one at the very top, Ferenc Domotor, who is in Hungary. The rest are in Canada. Fifteen now have been convicted and we've deported some of them.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Some are in Hungary, most of them are in Canada. They're too afraid to go back.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes, go ahead.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  These people, the people at the top of this list, are not going to like it.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes, they know the system. Virtually every one of those people you see at the top of this list knows that when you come to Canada, you go on welfare. In fact, the Karadis, for example, go to some doctor they have in Toronto, Dr. Sajo, who says, “You have a problem with diet.” And they get an extra dietary allowance.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  My own parents are refugees from World War II. Obviously, I'm here because ultimately Canada's a generous place. But there's a difference between being generous and being fools. When the world knows that you can come here and lie on a form and nothing's going to be done about it and you can get welfare for four or five years, that's not generosity: it's stupidity on the road to bankruptcy.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes, I would agree.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I can't believe this is happening to our country.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  They'll make a huge difference because the evidence—I called it the Stojkas—was that it cost us an average of $50,000 for failed refugee claimants. For the Hungarians alone, that's $500 million. That's the road to bankruptcy, in my opinion. My druthers is that the legislation should be even stricter than it is.