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Industry committee  I believe it's a market issue. If I understand your question correctly, it's about portability. It's about interpretability. We believe that the marketplace is better suited to resolving this issue. As somebody who is of a certain age now, I have bought some songs in vinyl form, and then on CD, and then the download, and now I'm enjoying the same songs by streaming services.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  I did. We all did buy them again, and we were happy to have what we felt at the time was the ease of use and the sound quality of the CD. Then better vinyls were issued, and some people—not me—bought other vinyls more recently that are better quality than the ones manufactured in the seventies or eighties.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  Generally speaking, we welcome more use of music. The more music is being listened to and enjoyed, the better for us, for our members, our creators, our publishers, our record labels. The only thing we want the committee and Parliament to keep in mind is that the expanded use that should be easy for consumers has value.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  I don't believe there's an issue there. We have more of an issue in licensing because of the myriads of exceptions. Distribution is the thing we do. We care deeply about this. Our members, my 150,000 or so writers and publishers, would be mad at me if we didn't try very hard to be as precise, as accurate, and cost-effective as possible.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  If I may say, fees are pretty important. One example at SOCAN is international revenue. We have agreements with a 100 organizations around the world. We received $76 million last year from around the world—from the U.S., Germany, France, and the U.K. Our fee on this is zero. We believe that because our colleagues in other countries have already done most of the work, we should not levy an extra fee on these guys.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  I've got my CDs, and right now I understand that the Beijing treaty is about audiovisual performances. To the best of my knowledge, we have no issue in the music business with the Beijing treaty. Maybe other witnesses you've seen here from the TV or movie industry have issues with it, but it's never been raised as an issue at SOCAN, for example.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  You did your homework, and thank you very much for your interest. Yes, at SOCAN we believe very much in transparency and accuracy. We are obsessed about data points. We believe we hold, through our efforts, one of the world's best databases of sound recordings. We control the information of about 66-million sound recordings, 27-million songs, etc.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  We're not here to ask for subsidies or funds. The interim proposal in the private copying submission is just that, an interim or bridge measure. In an ideal world, what you would like Parliament to do is to just change the language to make sure that the Copyright Act has a private copying regime, as intended in 1997—but obviously, a bit awkwardly—so that it would become tech neutral and would be able to deal with any means Canadians use to copy music onto devices, or whatever the world of technology will throw at us, to your point.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  That is a very important point. We are enjoying an amazing time in Canada. We have global superstars who dominate the music scene, and most people here would share my view that the Canadian content elements put in place have helped create an environment that is conducive for these green shoots to take root before going to external markets.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  What about exceptions for the Beijing treaty? I believe it's one of the most recent WIPO, World Intellectual Property Organization, treaties that addresses people with visual or hearing problems. I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that we need to make sure that every Canadian has access to cultural goods and entertainment content irrespective of his or her circumstances.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  I'm not a lawyer; I qualified my answer.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  One measure that would benefit every company and individual in the Canadian music ecosystem is an extension of term. It doesn't matter whether you live in Toronto or in rural Ontario, Quebec, or B.C., each of the 150,000 members of SOCAN, publishers and creators, would benefit from that.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  That's perfect. If you don't stream that much in rural Canada, and you enjoy music, you're probably likely to copy more music, to cache more music on your devices. If you want to stick to the stereotypes, and you enjoy your country music, then more country music will be stored locally on that iPhone in rural Canada, and therefore will benefit more from private copying.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  Of course. I'm going to let my colleague Gilles Daigle answer that.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste

Industry committee  Sure, this remains an issue. It is maybe not as central as it used to be a few years ago before streaming services opened shop in Canada. There was a vacuum in this country for a while, and we developed, as a result, an unhealthy appetite for those websites that supply unlicensed music.

June 14th, 2018Committee meeting

Eric Baptiste