Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  That's okay.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  I appreciate it. I was asking you earlier about referees. My next question deals with the issues of consistency. Oftentimes consistency makes a huge difference in how players and coaches, etc., react to things. I'm just wondering how you might respond. What steps do you take when you see something that appears to be retaliatory.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  Thank you, Chair. You mentioned, and I agree with you, that for your referees it's a thankless job and it's the toughest job they'll ever have. In my years of coaching—and I coached up to midget AA—ultimately when my son became a referee, my respect for referees changed immensely and my attitude on the bench changed immensely as I came to understand how it was.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  Very much so, in understanding how it was.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  We heard earlier from Mr. Stringer. I'm not sure if you're aware of Mr. Stringer, but his daughter Rowan died, unfortunately, from a concussion after playing rugby—and in Ontario we now have Rowan's Law. One of the things Mr. Stringer mentioned when he was here was that during that rugby game, when a certain individual was actually injured with a high tackle, the referee let it go and did not suspend the person and throw her out of the game, which the rules call for.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  When you—

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  Thank you. On the education issue, you talked about feedback. Do you get feedback from your players? You provide them with the education. You teach them at the beginning of the season. You educate them, and go through your protocol to do that. What's the feedback you've received from your players on how valuable they see it to be?

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  I've been involved with minor hockey since my kids were little and since I was in university, and I've watched the progression that has happened over the years in coaching, not only for that four-year-old who, at four, is saying to himself that he wants to be an NHL superstar and he wants to be Tuukka Rask in goal, or whoever it may be.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  Thank you, gentlemen, for being here. It's much appreciated. As you've indicated, a lot of what we're talking about here is not only for professional hockey, but also for sport in general, and not just hockey. I appreciate your comments and some of the information that you've provided for us.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  We're aware of the SCAT5. One of the things you mentioned in your presentation was data collection. We've heard from a lot of organizations at this committee about the lack of data collection. It's great to hear that you have that data. I'm wondering if you are in a position to share that data you've collected on the types of hits, and any information that you have, without names, obviously.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  The paper that was just published this year in the BMJ on the American Medical Society for Sports Medicine's position statement on concussion in sport estimates that over 50% of concussions in high-school-aged youth are not related to organized sports. Only 20% are related to organized school team sports and anywhere between 2% to 15% of participants might experience a concussion.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  Thanks to all of you for being here. I'm going to stay a little bit on Darren's line here, because you gave me questions that I wanted to ask. On that aspect of taking it to the provincial areas and the school bodies besides the national sport organizations, you've talked about education.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  I appreciate your presentation here because you talk about online training for health professionals, which aims to increase awareness, recognition and management of concussions. In my previous life, I was a regulator for a profession. I can mandate people to sit in a chair to listen to things but I can't mandate them to learn from that.

Subcommittee on Sports-Related Concussions in Canada committee  Minor hockey put trainers on all minor hockey teams. When I took that course many years ago, compared to my background, I saw a very limited value from my point of view. But education, as we heard from Mr. Stringer too, is an important thing. Do we need to expand that with the training programs that are provided, recognizing that it could inhibit people volunteering?