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Industry committee  I'm sorry. Could you repeat the question for me?

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  Absolutely, there needs to be an ability for folks to work through it and make a complaint, but we have to make sure that, when that happens, the right people are listening to it so there's an ability to respond in a reasonable way.

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  I will say that one of our recommendations is that AIDA should be reconceived, and that's from a human, labour and privacy rights-based perspective so that we can place transparency, accountability and consultation at the core of the approach to AI, which is not what we see in front of us, so that is a big ask.

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  We hear lots of workers telling us about how AI is being used in terms of surveillance in the workplace, and as a human rights issue, when the process excludes a person. There's actually no human intervention in that process, which is a huge concern for us. That is one of the big things we're looking at when we're talking about what needs to be addressed here.

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  This is, I guess, part of that process, but we think there can be a more meaningful way to do things at the table because, as we said, we're very concerned that the design is going to undo and go against human rights if AI is—

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  I guess we're here, but, yes, we think it could be more.

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  It's because people make decisions, and those decisions have impacts. This idea that you are suddenly not responsible for what happens alleviates a chain of responsibility that needs to exist. We see this when we're looking at almost all labour law, where, if you make decisions in a workplace, that has an effect.

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  Yes. For us, there has to be an ability for checks and balances. As we've said before, it needs to exist outside of that process. Then, overall, when we're just looking at who has a say in the decision-making, we're always going to go back to that. We're not there yet. We need to have more social dialogue before we get to the point of looking past that point.

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  Thank you for the question. This is a big concern that folks who work in the creative industries have, because, again, it's about the discussion. What does a compensation model look like? We're hearing that a lot in the media right now around performers and how their image can be looked at and used past the point....

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  Absolutely. From a workers' point of view, by excluding Crown corporations and government, we've excluded a significant number of workers who are affected by AI. In a lot of good ways, Crown corporations and our government have invested in AI and are developing AI, but they are somehow not going to be part of the regulations or rules around that, or be part of the discussions we're having, and should be having, around this bill.

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  I think we're all aware of the executive order that came down yesterday. I think the beginning of that executive order from President Biden starts with the need to look at how Americans are affected. I think that's what we should be doing here in Canada. How are people being affected?

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  As we stated, currently, by housing it in the same place, we're asking for the promotion of AI to happen but also for the checks and balances to supposedly happen in the same place. We know that independence would offer an opportunity to ensure that we're meeting what should be the goals: What is the effect on Canadians?

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond

Industry committee  Absolutely. We are strong believers that social dialogue is our best position to make any decision. Getting to this point, where there hasn't been enough social dialogue—especially, for us, involving unions as part of that.... We have big concerns. What are we trying to protect?

October 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Siobhán Vipond