Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. Senator Harder, I do believe that what I personally took from the commission of inquiry by Commissioner Rouleau was sobering in terms of something very important that took place in our country. Speaking as the director of CSIS, our job is to look at the threats we're facing.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Madam Chair, we have done work on section 2. We have been doing work on different aspects of the CSIS Act for years. When the government comes up with its decision on responding to the Rouleau commission report, we will be able to advise government and provide our analysis in due course.

Science and Research committee  The way we look at it is twofold. First it will be from an assessment point of view: We will look at the past behaviour of different actors and determine how they would adapt their tactics, given the intent that they have. We would then be able to zero in on the types of companies or research sectors that may be at risk.

Science and Research committee  Again, to be very clear, it was not determined that the leaks were coming from CSIS. I think I will leave it at that.

Science and Research committee  The record—

Science and Research committee  Do you want to take that?

Science and Research committee  For the record, Mr. Chair, if you allow me, I want to be clear that there has been information unauthorizedly released from CSIS documents; I don't think it has ever been concluded that is was a leak from CSIS. I wanted to make that distinction. In our system, the way it should work is that the intelligence service is the right entity to be providing that information to the government in terms of what we see, what the concerns are, and so on.

Science and Research committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the question. CSIS does not have enforcement powers. We do not have those powers ourselves. Sometimes when you have a discussion with CSIS and you are told about a number of elements in how your research or collaboration could be creating a risk to national security, it is impactful.

Science and Research committee  I think I said that we need to put it in overdrive.

Science and Research committee  Mr. Chair, I have a level of awareness about the transaction, but not enough detail to speak specifically to it. I think we have to be careful not to look at a specific activity and determine that it is nefarious in and of itself, but I would not have enough details to share with the committee today to say if those specific patents filed, you know—

Science and Research committee  Mr. Chair, I believe that I have not said that. What I have said, however, to a previous question, is that we are very concerned about organizations that are subject to the legislation of the PRC, and that, if and when forced to do so, will be able to share and will be acting on behalf of the government of the PRC.

Science and Research committee  Yes, Mr. Chair. I would agree with that.

Science and Research committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. There are two aspects to your question. Although no new documents have been published, the way in which national security issues are managed is constantly evolving. The most recent example is the Prime Minister's announcement concerning the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians.

Science and Research committee  Mr. Chair, I think what is important here is the behaviour of the people. Right now, we have seen a change in behaviour. Everybody on the granting councils and in universities wants to work together. Everybody understands the threat, and if you develop an ecosystem of compliance, I think the people who do not want to comply will become fairly evident in all of this, and we'll be able to direct our activity more specifically at these people.

Science and Research committee  Shawn, do you want to take this question?