Information & Ethics committee  I said that last fall, but the first time those figures were advanced, they appeared in an article by Bill Kaplan in the Globe and Mail.

Information & Ethics committee  No, I learned that a few weeks earlier.

Information & Ethics committee  First, Mr. Ménard, since you refer to the RCMP letter of September 29, 1995, I can say, briefly, without wasting the time allotted to me, that it should be kept in mind that that letter referred to a bank account at the Union Bank of Switzerland bearing the code name Devon, to which $5 million had purportedly been deposited.

Information & Ethics committee  Pardon me?

Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  Absolutely.

Information & Ethics committee  No, it never came up. That's recent information.

Information & Ethics committee  I'm not that subject to moods. I was very proud to serve Mr. Mulroney, and I am still proud of our friendship.

Information & Ethics committee  I remember very clearly those four telephone conversations with the journalist Harvey Cashore of the Fifth Estate. At no time during those four conversations was there any question of the money paid after Mr. Mulroney left his office. I had been Mr. Mulroney's spokesman in this matter starting in 1995.

Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  No, I never heard about it.

Information & Ethics committee  The discussion concerning a meeting in Zurich in 1998?

Information & Ethics committee  At what time?