Official Languages committee  There are 220 institutions, and they are all different. I would like nothing more than to have a measure that would apply to all of them, making it possible for me to compare apples and apples and to rank them so I could see exactly who was doing well and who wasn't. Unfortunately, though, I don't have such a measure.

Official Languages committee  I wasn't talking about the Treasury Board Secretariat. That said, 20 or so employees work on official languages there, primarily on support and evaluation activities. You could also include all the champions across the public service, who work on official languages as well.

Official Languages committee  Okay.

Official Languages committee  I'm trying to be as clear as I possibly can. What measure do you use to determine that? Take, for example, a department with customs operations that has trouble hiring staff or a department that operates ships. The data for those departments will differ from the data of other institutions, despite the fact that the deputy head may have done more than the deputy head of another department in order to address the shortcomings.

Official Languages committee  I'm going to reply by making an offer to the committee. Rather than talking to you about what I think, I would like to offer you a technical briefing to present an overview of our program and to explain everything we do.

Official Languages committee  It would last more than an hour and I apologize for that, but I think it would be beneficial. I really do want to work with this committee, to support it and provide it with what it needs to do its work on official languages.

Official Languages committee  I'm going to answer your question because—

Official Languages committee  Very well, thank you. To answer your question, I am not going to choose a ranking from 1 to 10. I will simply say that the topic of official languages is extremely important at Treasury Board. I'll put it that way. Not only is it important for the Secretariat of the Treasury Board, but also for the Clerk of the Privy Council and for the minister responsible for Treasury Board.

Official Languages committee  I want to give you what we have. However, my opinion is not a part of those facts.

Official Languages committee  I always feel a little uncomfortable when I'm asked for my opinion.

Official Languages committee  I come here to help you and to provide all of the data I have. I don't like to invent anything and I don't want to.

Official Languages committee  I'm going to answer your question somewhat differently. Currently, we are working within a framework under which we were asked to create a policy. We developed one and we reviewed it in 2012. We made changes to ensure that it was in proper form and that it would advance the interests of official languages in Canada.

Official Languages committee  Yes.

Official Languages committee  Yes, approximately 200.

Official Languages committee  That is correct.