Public Safety committee  I had one more, but I'll let it go.

Public Safety committee  Thank you. I'd like to thank you both for coming today. You said that the only secure network is one with no users. Many, if not most, breaches of government networks begin with some type of phishing scam or other attempts for bad actors to gain access to legitimate credentials.

Public Safety committee  Julie gets stung by some foreign entity over the computer and she sends $300,000 to them. The bank lets you know and you look at it. If you think it's fraudulent, which it is, you let the RCMP know. Is there any chance of any repercussions for the criminal from outside of Canada, and is there absolutely any chance for Ms.

Public Safety committee  You're saying it would be an outside agency that would do that.

Public Safety committee  Once the money has gone out of Canada, realistically the probability of getting it back into our country is probably zilch, right?

Public Safety committee  I had an alarming situation happen between Christmas and the new year in a scenario exactly like the one I was talking about. A senior in my riding was defrauded. His wife found out about it and she contacted the local RCMP who said, “We have no way of returning that money to you.

Public Safety committee  You should never say you have never had one; you better hope you never have one.

Public Safety committee  I would like to follow through with what my colleague was dealing with here a little earlier. You were talking about your partnership with the different organizations—financial entities, accountants, the RCMP, and stuff like that. The banks are supposed to report unusual transactions to you.

Public Safety committee  It concerns me. Are the banks compelled to tell you—and I believe that's what you've told us—if there are unusual transactions going on involving larger amounts over $10,000? Are they regulated to tell the local police authorities or is it only limited to your organization?

Public Safety committee  I just want to give you a scenario, and I'll use Julie, because she used me.

Public Safety committee  I have a quick question to all three of you. If you could remake the system—really quickly, about 30 seconds each—what would be the first thing you would change to make it simpler and easier?

Public Safety committee  I have one quick question. In your experience with the shady operators—and I see this in immigration every day, and you're seeing it in the parole thing—is any government agency overseeing those shady operators, and are there any consequences?

Public Safety committee  I would like to thank all three of you for coming out today. Rodney, that was very compelling. I'm very sad to hear how long it took you to go through the process. That's totally and completely unacceptable in my mind. I stated earlier that I was a police officer for many years.

Public Safety committee  Many people who apply for pardons are just one-time offenders. Maybe you can throw the numbers back out. As I've often said—thank you, Pam, for bringing it up—and as you have said, Catherine, if you haven't done anything for five years and it was a minor offence, it should be gone—CPIC, zip.

Public Safety committee  Louise, do you find that a lot of people get frustrated, especially if they have a working career, and maybe they're trying to build themselves up like you did, Rodney, and they have this process? A lot of them just don't have time to get all those little things done. They'll walk away and say, “To hell with it, I haven't got time right now, because it's too....”