Procedure and House Affairs committee  I can give you general lists, yes.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  What I said was that the daily foreign intelligence bulletin that was referenced in a previous question is distributed broadly to those who have clearance to read it, and it is provided to some ministers.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  The daily foreign intelligence briefing is an assessed piece that gives highlights of what's going on in terms of foreign interference on a range of subjects. I don't normally use it as a basis for briefing. Normally, I use.... It's not necessarily me briefing. The briefing material generally comes directly from the national security agency, rather than the assessed piece.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Generally, unless it is a discussion in cabinet or a cabinet committee, the briefings are with the Prime Minister.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  The simple answer to that question is yes.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I think it's important to do it in a responsible manner.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That's a very important question. We rely on the national security agencies, along with the Canadian Forces intelligence command, the foreign intelligence unit at Global Affairs Canada and allies to help us assess the depth and persistence of foreign interference in Canada. As we said, it's not new and it's not restricted to or targeted at Canada in particular.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That is not even close to what I'm telling this committee. We have talked publicly about foreign interference attempts. The director of CSIS has. The panel of five did. Jim Judd did. Morris Rosenberg did, but—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I would agree absolutely, Madam Chair, that it's important to shine a light on matters of foreign interference.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It's important to note that members of the Chinese community came out yesterday and said it is important to talk about this. It is important that Canadians from diaspora communities and from countries that participate in foreign interference feel that their health and well-being as Canadians is being protected.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I'm not going to comment on information that was inappropriately obtained. The concept and the problem and the severity of foreign interference are well documented. That there were attempts at foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections has been documented and is quite transparent in the reports done by Jim Judd and Morris Rosenberg, so I acknowledge that foreign interference has been attempted.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  There were none that I'm aware of, no.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I would suggest that's not the conclusion I would draw. The conclusion I would draw is that CSIS provides information. It builds an intelligence picture. It investigates and provides information to decision-makers, up to and including the Prime Minister. I agree with the Prime Minister.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  This is a very important question. We in the public service are the guardians of protected information. We share information with those people who have security clearances or who are in roles of authority in which they can make decisions. The unlawful sharing of information and the inappropriate sharing of information, I believe, jeopardize our national security and institutions.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Inquiries like this one are very important in terms of understanding what happened, so I applaud that you are doing this. I think it is important to talk about foreign interference and the electoral process. A public inquiry will have the same limitations that this committee does in that we cannot talk about national security information in a public forum.