Public Safety committee  This will be a question to both Louise and Catherine. You both work in organizations that deal with not-the-average society of people, people who sometimes have problems. In their younger days, they may have committed a lot more than one offence, but they have changed and they have become strong people in the community.

Public Safety committee  Is that an equal fee for everyone?

Public Safety committee  If I happen to be a person who was fairly active when I was young and got myself into a little bit of trouble several times, but none of them were indictable, I going to ask you for a pardon. Then my friend over here is a lot better behaved than I am. He did only one thing wrong.

Public Safety committee  I'm out of time. At least it's on record.

Public Safety committee  Thank you. I'm looking at the form you have here, your “Record Suspension Guide”, where step one is to get your criminal record from the RCMP in Ottawa and then get your court information using the form on the back and your military conduct and local police records. I have a question.

Public Safety committee  That surprises me. That answer is actually quite shocking. Spending 35 years as a police officer here, it's the first time I've heard that there are records being held by courthouses in other jurisdictions. I understood there was one central depository in Canada that had the records.

Public Safety committee  You didn't? I'm just trying to help you out. You're tired.

Public Safety committee  It's Christmas time.

Public Safety committee  Is it unanimous?

Public Safety committee  Actually, I'm going to challenge you on that. There were only three hands up there.

Public Safety committee  Oh, okay.

Public Safety committee  The act does not say the training needs to be done or that additional training needs to be done. That's what we're concerned with, because there are concerns within the organization.

Public Safety committee  Chair, I just move that we make an amendment that Bill C-83 in clause 31 be amended by adding after line 27 on page 14 the following: (2.1) Paragraph 96(v) of the Act is replaced by the following: (v) for the organization, training-including training related to mental health and to safety-discipline, efficiency, administration and good management of the Service; This came to light when Stanley Stapleton was here, the national president of the Union of Safety and Justice Employees, who suggested that additional training was needed within the institution, especially with the new sorts of guidelines coming into place under section 83.

Public Safety committee  Maybe the officials can answer this for me. I'm not trying to be crude here, but will the X-ray machine or the equipment we have in our institutions be able to show cavities of a person walking through on the screen, and what's hidden in the private parts of their body?

Public Safety committee  No, it doesn't. The scenario that I'm seeing is that something does show. You're saying here, by bringing this section into play, “No routine strip search of an inmate may be conducted if a body scan search is available.” What do you do if you see something, then? You're saying you can't do it.