Fisheries committee  I would say $35 million. We're throwing numbers around here and probably confusing ourselves as well.

Fisheries committee  The program is currently funded at about $97 million, of which $20 million sunsets this year. Our estimate relates very closely to the study that was done under the auspices of this committee a few years ago. In order to properly fund the program at 750 core fishing harbours, we believe that in 2106 consideration, that would require about $130 million annually.

Fisheries committee  In terms of what the minister is going forward with to his colleagues, I really can't get into specific details. Obviously there are a number of propositions in play, and certainly the minister himself I think has shown a great deal of concern about the state of small craft harbours, so I think it would be reasonable to assume that he would be trying to move something ahead on that.

Fisheries committee  Part of this program that came into play a number of years ago, I think falling out program review, was to try to get to 750 core fishing harbours. There are also other harbours that aren't part of our program that come to us for funding--which in some cases have a fairly good story--but effectively we are trying to get to a core of 750 fishing harbours.

Fisheries committee  We think with a figure of about $82 million we could successfully complete the divestiture in five years, and as I said in response to Monsieur Blais' question, we think there is a good business case for doing that in terms of long-term saving to Canadians. Right now, because of the pressures on the program we can really allocate only about $1.5 million a year to the divestiture.

Fisheries committee  It means that if we manage to achieve our goals within five years, taxpayers will save money in the long run.

Fisheries committee  That would be $82 million over five years, it would be for a five-year period.

Fisheries committee  No, no, that is the total amount. It represents a one-time investment.

Fisheries committee  It would be a one-time amount.

Fisheries committee  Me too.

Fisheries committee  Yes. The total amount, including Nunavut, etc., would be about—

Fisheries committee  As far as the divestiture program is concerned, I think that for now we are trying to make do with the current budget. Over the last few years, about $1.5 million were provided for the program to reduce the number of small harbours for which the federal government is responsible.

Fisheries committee  Based on our estimates, we would need $20 million. We need that specific $20 million, plus an additional amount of $35 million, for a total of approximately $130 million per year for that program.

Fisheries committee  That's exactly right.

Fisheries committee  Yes, approximately that.