Procedure and House Affairs committee  Normally, the House adjourns at about 8 p.m.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It's been almost 40 years.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  If you say so.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I assume that in the discussion about the parallel chamber, there would be some reference to the expected size or the rate of participation by the members, and I think that will help to determine which room would be suitable. If you really go massive and you really want to have something that would be meeting frequently, let's just toss this out—SJAM.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes, sorry. If you wanted something—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  If you anticipated that it would be something considerably smaller, then one of the larger committee rooms might be fitted out for that purpose.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Let's say that becomes the reality. You could put in place that when any vote is called in the chamber, if it coincides with a schedule of the parallel chamber, the division bells would have to ring for, let's say, an extra 10 minutes.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  There are ways that you can make adjustments that recognize the reality of creating the second chamber.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I've not seen anything relating to that.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It's possible. If you schedule the parallel chamber to meet out of times of the primary chamber, it would not be impossible. But that's what you would have to do. It would have to be quite a deliberate process.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Sure, I think that would be a great idea.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That would be a serious innovation that I think you'd have to consider carefully. The rules right now, for example, require a physical presence.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  The one factor that might come into play would be if you establish a quorum, and how small you would want it to be or how big. I suspect, and it's one way of looking at it, that if you make it too small, you reduce its importance. It might be convenient in terms of advancing debate, but if you're basically debating into a mirror, I'm not sure how meaningful that is.