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Public Accounts committee  Thank you very much. As you mentioned, it is the first time that I have appeared before the committee to discuss a report. Unfortunately, the report was one that I was not involved in. It was planned, completed and tabled by my predecessor, the interim Auditor General Sylvain Ricard, but I'm very pleased to be here to discuss it.

November 17th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for this opportunity to discuss our report on the taxation of e-commerce, which was tabled in Parliament on May 7, 2019. Joining me today are Philippe Le Goff, who was the principal responsible for the audit, and Mathieu Lequain, who led the audit team.

November 17th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  It absolutely can. I'll selfishly ask all of you to let people know we're hiring. They should check out our website.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  I know Montrealers. I hear you. Mr. Sorbara, I can give you those numbers really quickly. They are $25 million and $6.6 million for a total of $31.6 million.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  Absolutely. Our ask was for $25 million. When you include employee benefit programs and accommodations, it's $31.6 million. However, the $25 million is the only amount that gets added to our funding on an ongoing basis.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  The 585 FTEs is without that additional funding. That is our normal workforce. We're usually somewhere between 575 and 600 people. The additional money we asked for would see us adding about 150 FTEs, or 150 individuals, to our workforce. Obviously that will be over time, and the split is between some auditors and support services to be able to continue to support our auditors.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  I believe that amount is correct. Andrew can let me know if I'm wrong. It was carried forward. Why did it happen? I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the majority of our funding is human capital. It is individuals. People come and go, and you can't always predict that.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  It just normally happens. We also have to monitor when we get our supply. There's a bit of a risk, and a bit of the funds are always left unspent at the end of the year.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  I apologize. I think I made a mistake, as I did not select English. I apologize; I won't do it again.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  Well, the data that we provide to committees is really our audit reports, and the best way you can use them is to study them in a timely fashion, to invite departmental officials to discuss how they plan to address the recommendations we may have identified, and ask them for action plans.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  When you look at that statistic, you see that it might make it look like reviewing our work went down. But you also have to recognize that in the past we did not table all of our special examinations on Crown corporations. We have started to table those with Parliament, so that they're all accessible in one place for committees to study.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  There are independent funding mechanisms that can be used. As an example right in our own country, some of the provinces function that way, and other countries, I believe Australia and the U.K., function that way as well. One of the options would be for a special committee or the public accounts committee—the committee to which we as an office typically come—to have an opportunity to review our funding and ensure that we get access to funds in a timely fashion.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  It is not up to our office to implement those mechanisms. Departments must ensure to have the necessary mechanisms to detect payments made in error. I know that the department that is managing the CERB has those mechanisms. As I said earlier, in the case of the audit on the CERB, we will begin by implementing controls.

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  Are you talking about our office's priorities?

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan

Public Accounts committee  I think modernization is one of them. Our IT has to be modernized, but also our methods, especially the way we publish our reports. That is part of discussions on our board of directors, and our entire team agrees on the areas where the office should move forward. I think that the pandemic has also shown us that....

October 29th, 2020Committee meeting

Karen Hogan