Public Safety committee  It's the same report, but there are indications in the report where Mr. Justice O'Connor has put a few stars indicating there were some redactions. And there was a confidential report, yes, where he dealt with all of the national security information, including information that he went through and agreed was national security confidential.

Public Safety committee  In the public version of the report by Mr. O'Connor, there are a few places, not a lot, where he has a few stars--I think that's what he used--to mark information that was removed, and he referred to that in his report. That's the 0.05% of the information I talked about on which Mr.

Public Safety committee  Let me first say that there is a great deal of information on which Mr. Justice O'Connor and ourselves, the government, agreed—a great deal that is public, that we agreed could be made public, including material that would not normally have been made public. Then there's a great deal of information that was not made public that Mr.

Public Safety committee  No. I saw the press reports, but I was not here on September 28 to hear what Commissioner Zaccardelli said.

Public Safety committee  I can't speak to what communications there were with the committee, but like Mr. Elliott, I certainly was well under the impression, well before that, that the commissioner wanted to go back to the committee and clarify. And I must say, I would not have considered it appropriate for me—and I suspect Mr.

Public Safety committee  I'm just telling you my views.

Public Safety committee  Exactly. And I think the commissioner was quite clear about that. He had access to all the documents and in their complete form.

Public Safety committee  For what goes public. The commissioner and his staff would have had it all; it's just for what goes public.

Public Safety committee  It's a good question, because we do tend to use the term a lot. I myself recall asking what it meant. Redaction is when you take a document and say, “This piece of that document should not be revealed publicly”, for whatever reason, and you block it out. That is the process of redaction.

Public Safety committee  I believe he confirmed that, and he confirmed that even though he did not in the end agree with the government on this 0.05%, he was comfortable that he could make public everything he needed to for his recommendations. Just to be clear, there is 0.05% on which he disagrees with us, but he said it didn't affect his recommendations.

Public Safety committee  Well, I guess more important than whether I'm confident or not is what Mr. Justice O'Connor said. I read what he said, and he said that he was comfortable that he had seen everything and that he was able to make his recommendations.

Public Safety committee  I was actually out of the country when he testified, so I did not hear his testimony. I did see the press reports. I knew very shortly thereafter that Mr. Zaccardelli wanted to return to the committee and clarify remarks. I was not surprised he wanted to clarify his remarks. I wasn't clear what he had actually said.

Public Safety committee  I think Mr. Elliott has more specific information.

Public Safety committee  No, it's not, Monsieur Ménard. I was deputy minister at Public Safety starting in December 2003, when the department was created, when Ms. McLellan became the minister. I was deputy minister at Defence while Mr. Arar was detained in Syria.

Public Safety committee  First of all, with a claim of national security, which can happen in relation to many things, including access requests, in general the determination would be made by the head of the organization, or to whomever they delegated, that owned the information—for example, CSIS in relation to CSIS information, the RCMP in relation to theirs, and Public Safety in relation to their information.